Boazy,

NEW IMPROVED VERSION "Understanding..and tolerance of all things which are not a direct threat to my freedom of movement, action,thought, belief in short.. anything which is as tolerant of me as they wish me to be of them."

Go into all the world, make disciples of all nations, batptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" (Matth28:18ff)

The second appears to be something that violates my understanding of the first. Maybe we should have some laws against the second because there is's something we don't need to tollerate.

"well...I grew up on those sentiments. I still love singing those songs. " - maybe time to take stock of how far the views you express on this forum differ from those sentiments. A meeting with FH does not undo your obsession with trying to create strife.

Maybe time to start dealing more honestly - be willing to take on fellow believers when they behave badly, be at least as keen to stamp out the kind of christain excesses which threaten my freedoms as you are to stamp out muslim excesses. If Gibo was of a faith other than christianity I suspect that you would be all over him like a rash for the stuff he posts here but you stay silent then object when muslims are reluctant to speak out against other muslims.

Should Gibo back up his allegations?

Put your own house in order before you try and deal with the neighbours. The extremism and power of the christian penticostal movement is a far greater threat to my freedoms than anything muslims have a chance of achieving in this country in the forseeable future.

R0bert

R0bert, I suspect that regardless of the words being spoken or the message being conveyed, it is preferable to pretend that your opponent isn't listening or doesn't understand, than to realise they have read the message, understood it, and still reject it as based upon dogma, twisted or exaggerated truth, or outright falsehoods.

Where it gets frustrating, is when logic ends its course. There's a wall there, where reasoned discussion can't continue, and individuals either retreat into scripture, or in Gibo's case, just acknowledge they don't want to know certain things.

I note your point about boaz and Gibo - both being so heavily into scripture, I think boaz would probably be able to reason with gibo more than the average poster, and show him that his beliefs really are quite destructive and can easily be disproven if he has the courage to acknowledge that.

Whilst I know it's important to allow a multitude of belief sets, those promoted by charlatans, such as cults, need to be exposed for the fallacies they are.

I guess boaz is partially right in that there's only so much leeway you can give some belief set. Few outside scientologists themselves, for instance, stand willing to defend it.

There's an irony in that boaz is so keen to persuade us of the destructiveness of Islam, but won't acknowledge or attempt to dissuade gibo of his evidently precarious state - even fundamentalist believers rarely have a belief in demons, modern day prophecies and flying saucers.

I'm not saying this as an attack on you gibo. The truth is, you're not well at all and I think any reasonable person who sees your posts here would agree. But I think that as with most people caught in the grip of dogma, you'd rather believe it's the vast multitude who are wrong, and you're the rare voice of reason amongst the throng.

No, Im not dancing for any of your guys, at all, despite RObert trying it on.
I saw youre responses to what I have written over quite a few months, despite a gap.
You just want to stick it into christians.
Its quiet a common thing.
The gays hate us because we tell the truth about their lifestyle of sin and because we speak of the spiritual consequences of what they do in that sin. We dont want to see them in hell, but if they persist in what they are doing, thats where they will be. Testimonies of christians who were "taken" to hell to see the horror, tell of people down in hell for decades...longer. God hates the Sodomite behaviour.
I never said there was a prophecy about UFOs just mentioned what Stan Deyo had said in his book "The Cosmic Conspiracy".
Ten minutes after I said it youre all calling me a UFO man and a believer in other worlds and green men, or so it seemed. Things like the coming world anti-christ, the mark of the beast (666), the great asian army called the kings of the east are all in Revelation. Christians believe that book along with the rest.
Its true Australias defences, despite the huge asian armies to Australias north, are less, less, than 3rd world. The citizens gun cupboard is genuinely empty... and needs filling.
The pentecostals are a strong section of the christian churches and should be respected. They went after the Gifts of The Holy Spirit like tongues, miracles, prophecy etc when other traditional churches said we dont want them.
What Ive said, over months, is my christian belief, including the prophecies on an invader which so many christians I have met also believe in.
I think there is a gang of 5 or 6 or so here that just want to manipulate what BOAZ_David and I say for the joy of "sticking it in". Sometimes its hard not to relaliate against that.
No way Im dancing for any of you guys.
I see most of you as current UNI students

Gibo: "No way Im dancing for any of you guys"

That's OK Gibo - you're entertaining enough as it is without having to dance as well.

I dunno how you conclude that we're uni students. I'm not, for the record, though I do have the benefit of a tertiary education.

Perhaps that makes me the product of some lefty academic indoctrination process. I believe this process is known as 'critical reasoning.'

As far as prophecies go - whether it's about flying saucers or otherwise, you believe in prophecies.
I don't see you referring to your demonic posts there either.

And it's patently obvious you set great store by these 'cosmic conspiracies' of Stan Deyo. A discredited charlatan.

"The citizens gun cupboard is genuinely empty... and needs filling."

You've yet to persuade me of the logic of your stance here, because it appears to be one hell of a contradiction.

You say you're no in favour of arming the populace.
You say we need more than a mere army reserve, and there should be an armed section of the public.

You make no mention how to differentiate as to how we determine who these armed people are, while simultaneously trying to tell us that the world is going down a crime-infested sex-crazed toilet.
At the same time, you claim whatever you're proposing is to be vastly different to the army reserve.

You say our army is third world, but you don't back it up with information. You say the gays hate you because you speak of their life of sin - you don't have any reason why it's sinful, except biblical dogma. 'The gays' aren't hurting you, but you're hurting them.

You say many other christians agree with you. Again, no backing.

The point I've made repeatedly in this thread, is that anyone can interpret a religon in any manner of ways. Some interpretations are quite ugly, be they the vile fanatics at the westboro church, or the heinous actions of a militant muslim suicide bomber.

Your interpretation is one of many. Not as ugly as some, but more paranoid than most. I'd hope it's a distinctly rare one.

This will be interesting. Here is one of Gibo's beliefs that may have some basis in fact. I'm not sure if any of those he refers to are currently at Uni but I suspect that most do have tertiary qualifications. At least his claim may once have been true. Thats a lot better than most of the beliefs he posts about.

For the record I'm not a current Uni student and have not been for quite a few years. So neither TurnRightThenLeft or I are currently at Uni. Are any of Gibo's mob of uni students actually uni students?

R0bert