I happen to believe that your anti-muslim measures are no solution to this at all. They're a reaction that will continue to spread hatred and dislike and ante-up the conflict instead of reducing it.

You don't focus on how to combat extremists. You don't discuss practical measures, like reducing funding to extremist madrassas, while actually SUPPORTING liberal elements of the Islam faith, of which, believe it or not, there are many. I've seen very liberal art, music and dance in Indonesia under the banner of Islam.
You don't discuss the militant havens in pakistan, or if you do, they're only used as an attack on the muslim faith in general.

In fact, when you find examples of Islamic extremism, instead of focusing on constructive methods of bringing into a more peaceful form of Islam, you attack it on the basis that it is Islam and is to be stopped regardless.

It's not a matter of peacefulness for you. You want a war which Christianity can win. I suspect you don't like to acknowledge that, but you speak of how the salvation of christ is the solution to everything, and how we should stop Islam.

Sounds like a contest to me.

Boaz, you say it is in the name of Australian's safety that you preach against Islam, but you display all the trappings of a Christian zealot intent of spreading his own faith. Is it any wonder people believe you are merely promulgating your own interpretation of Christianity above Islam, instead of working peaceably with another faith?

I will stand behind all I have said RObert and no, I wont be dancing for your manipulation of what Ive said.
Manipulation is witchcraft.
Is that one of your weaknesses too?

Dear Gibo,

If you're sincere in your belief - give others the benefit of theirs.
That's the fair thing to do.
And no one is trying to manipulate you.
Least of all Robert.
He's merely pointing out - that you shouldn't be afraid to look at the big picture. Take off the blinkers - there's a beautiful world out there - not a perfect world - but a beautiful one nevertheless.

As another poster said - don't sit in the mud - reach for the stars!

Gibo, it's no manipulation to ask you to produce evidence for an allegation that you have brought against others.

"Frequently I get bagged on this site by folk who simply havent taken the time to read what Ive said...they speed read and jump words and ignore the gist. "

You have claimed that it occurs frequently so it should be very easy to produce a dozen or so examples (one or two would not be frequently).

As the person making the allegation against other posters the onus is on you to produce the evidence or retract your claim.

R0bert

Hi Robert.....

well...I grew up on those sentiments. I still love singing those songs.
Yes, possibly Foxyness does see things that way.
I appeciate your posting of those youtube vids and I hope all posters will also view them.

A couple of points.

1/ A catholic priest once told some tribal indians to bless their enemies. They did...and the enemies slaughtered them all.

2/ While on a personal level I have compassion and love for Muslims (you should know this from my time with FH at macca's) I'm addressing the othe side of the coin..which is the 'issues of state'.
If you want to understand why I'm so adamant about 'Islam' as a religion, then you simply have to do me the courtesy of 'tolerating/understanding' two things.
a) Gods view of 'other'Gospels (Galatians 1:8)
b) The Qurans view of Christians (and Jews) 9:30

FOXY.. seems to be of the view that 'understanding' is only about 'us' understanding and tolerating others.
Foxy... you did not lose your dignity, you gained some honesty.

OK.. work time. Foxy.. I suggest a possible re-think of your formula.

CURRENT version "Tolerance and Understanding" (sounds good on the surface)

NEW IMPROVED VERSION "Understanding..and tolerance of all things which are not a direct threat to my freedom of movement, action,thought, belief in short.. anything which is as tolerant of me as they wish me to be of them."

READING TIME.

Foxy..I'd soooo appreciate an honest answer to this important question.

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec2.htm

Please.. read that. Then explain to me how your 'current' version will sit in relation to it ?
If you can explain...I'll read every word with intense interest.

Final point.

Quote

FOXY "I'd never try to convert anyone"

JESUS "Go into all the world, make disciples of all nations, batptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" (Matth28:18ff)

Any comment Foxy ?

TRTL...special for you :)

Mate.. I so DO see where ur coming from.... yes....

What you are not doing, is separating my efforts as a 'citizen' from my actions as a Christian.

Its the 'Sermon on the mount/Romans 13' dichotomy.

On the one hand.. as the vid Robert linked said "and they'll know we are Christians by our love" yes.. LOVE.. and I feel it, I am overjoyed sharing it. But my loving parents used to give me a hiding from time to time :) and I needed it.

Please don't limit 'love' to just being some kind of social/political door mat.

Unfortunately, we have the reality of Somali Taxi Drivers..80% of the total at Minneapolis Airport flauting USA law, stubbornly, based on Islamic law.

Now...that kind of encroachment MUST be challenged. Awareness must be raised.. and people motivated to write.. protest.. yell scream.. whatever it takes to force Authorities to actually BE the Authority.
The airport Authority received 1500 emails of protest about this... one of them was mine.
Now..they are crunching errant Taxi drivers who are-surprise surprise.. COMPLYING.. but they would not comply until the threat of our LAW was brought big and large into their pockets. (30 suspension for refusal to carry.. 2 yr suspension on 2nd offence)

So..that is one LESS issue I'll rant about.

Now.... the explosives issue in Melbourne.. u know..thats my HOME.. and I just think "500kg =1000lb bomb.".. pretty devastating. If it took out my son at the footy.. I'd be heartbroken.

Unlike you, I won't wait doing nothing till it happens. I know where the radicals hang out.....perhaps the best medication is the Gospel of peace?

My target is "Islam" as you correctly note. Reason ? Simple.. It is from 'Islam' that the problems have come. Radicals are just 'Quranic' Muslims. If you don't see this, we can get together and study it.
oR.. just have a casual read of this (same link I gave to Foxy)
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec2.htm
Don't you see how MUCH of the Quran is there?