Vanilla, thanks for starting this thread and the link to the article. I'm still making my way through it.

The theme that sticks out most so far is the differing perspective on abuse. Plenty of food for thought in there so far. I've just reached the part where they talk about the higher rates of mental health issues in males who do identy as survivers of abuse. How do we deal with something where trying to deal with it may add to the harm?

Thanks also for your comment on the other thread, I hope I didn't sound like I was having a whine about being ignored. What I was trying to do was remind posters that HRS is not the only one who ignores what does not suit (and maybe prompt some to have another look at spome of the material).

I don't expect to be online much over the weekend so please excuse my tardiness in responding to posts.

R0bert

Just too expand this topic, then I'm out of here.

Sexual abuse by women of children and teens is a subject most parents and caregivers are not familiar with. Female sexual predators go unreported because of a lack of awareness by the public.
Female Sex Offenders

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75% of sexual predators are male and 25% are female.

86% of the victims of female sexual predators aren't believed, so the crimes go unreported and don't get prosecuted.

Considering these facts, arrest statistics for child sexual offenders by gender are meaningless.

From "The Sexual Abuse by Women of Children and Teenagers"

UK TV programme - Panorama - BBC1 - 10 pm Monday, October 6th, 1997
http://www.canadiancrc.com/articles/BBC_Child_sexual_abuse_by_women_06OCT97.aspx

What I found interesting is that the transcript of this story last time I looked was not available at the BBC, however transcripts of stories on either side of this one were available.

http://www.canadiancrc.com/female_sexual_predators_awareness.aspx

Vancouver filmmaker Glynis Whiting produced, a hard-hitting investigation of one of the most under-reported crimes in North America. When Girls Do It: The Story of Female Sexual Predators is a provocative and passionate look at the motivations of women who abuse and the devastating effects of their crime on their victims.

I had contacted SBS to see if they would run this video doco, but so far no reply, so I guess even SBS doesn't want to touch it.

Vanilla “Putting aside the fact that I don't believe in the death penalty, and the fact that I have no idea why I'm taking this seriously, I don't your solution is a good one Col.”

Please consider the matter “objectivity” or set just aside your stance on the death penalty.
Then question why you are taking the matter “seriously”.
You might find my “solution” is a reasonable and realistic one based on

1 The recidivism rates of convicted pedophiles
2 the low interception rates in prosecuting pedophiles.
3 the devastation which they inflict on their victims
4 the “infection” rate in the transmission of pedophilia practices.

If the statistics are to be believed as true, then in perpetrating hundreds of criminal acts against children, anything short of a life of confinement and all the hassles (or my preferred option a death sentence) is not going to work.

Gibo “It also helps if we finally do something about pornography.”

Well Gibo your thinking is way out on that one. Millions of people, myself included, enjoy differing degrees of “pornography”.

I would note the book “Fanny Hill” was considered “Pornographic”, likewise the work of Aubrey Beardsley and I think some of Oscar Wilde writings were banned too.

I do recall the magazine “Oz” was at the centre of a high court trial in the UK and the Australian Richard Neville ended up in gaol under the “obscene publications” laws.

Your confusion between pedophilia and pornography merely muddies what should be a clear and present understanding to
Something which involves mutually consenting adults and
something which involves unconsenting or manipulated children and predatory adults.

As for “we might get a clearer picture of what the poison is doing to the minds of people.”

Old saying, “one mans meat is another poison” and I do not want or need you to be my official “taster”.

The only thing which will help route out pedophiles is to support the authority of parents in a childs life and a home where children are secure in knowing they can always go to a loving parent.

Col: "The only thing which will help route out pedophiles is to support the authority of parents in a childs life and a home where children are secure in knowing they can always go to a loving parent."

What if, as often happens, the parent is the abuser? Read the final story in the BBC piece James linked to.

Gibo. I cannot agree with you. It's true that sexual offenders often use pornography to lure boys in, and familiarise them with sexual acts, but they also use alcohol and cigarettes. Should we ban them too? Banning anything seldom works. Drugs are illegal, but sexual offenders use drugs to lure kids too.

James. Thanks for those links. The BBC one does include the transcript, by the way - and it's devastating stuff.

Robert. Didn't think you sounded whiny in the least. You make an excellent point. We will never solve anything if we refuse to listen to facts that don't fit our political passions, even if those passions are held fervently and for the right reasons.

Foxy. Thank you. What excellent material. I'm reading the Marianne James article now.

For those who are interested, here's a link to the Marianne James article: http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/pubs/issues/issues3/issues3.html

I do not think we can debate the issue without debating punishment.
So very many story's turn up of slack sentencing, even bonds for such crimes.
Most of us have at least once expressed the view such sentences are a betrayal of the victim.
I have zero confidence in the courts.
We should have a law saying 5 to 10 years first offense, tell me of a time the offender should have walked free?
Parenting, I understand some will think I am acting like a red neck , but some parents are the offenders.
Some parents are not fit to have children in their care.
Bit harsh? I have seen the results of lives destroyed too often.
I have begged DOC,s to take action and after 5 begging letters seen the fears I held take place, look such a child in the face and tell me 5 to 10 is too much.

Got to disagree with your pro-porners.
I remember the 50's as a kid before Hugh Hefners magazine legacy etc began to warp the minds of youth en masse. It was quiet. Sex crime was there but so little of it. Leap forward to 2008 and not a woman is safe in an isolated spot. Not anywhere. Not ever. Not ever! So what was the difference between the two ages? We openned the door and we allow the porn to flood the world with few stops. The rotten spirit from the pits is out of the bottle... and we've got to get the demon thing back in.