Nicky:
Congratulations! I think you are very close to the mark!
As for your question "Two Tooth?".....there appears to be a a very differing opinion on what "Two Tooth" in Lambs/Mutton actually is as presented to the public.
Living in a Queensland Regional area (Wide Bay/Burnett)the description of "Two Tooth Lamb" appears to be, in reality, ....old wethers with their last two teeth remaining in their heads at the time of slaughter,....(of course at 1st Grade prices)!
In comparison a consumer COULD buy genuine "Two Tooth Lamb" at similar prices whilst living in Regional Victoria,.....note that I said COULD, as was the situation when I temporarily resided there for ten years way back in the 70`s.
This reinforces my opinion that Queensland is simply a dumping ground for all the country`s 2nd and 3rd grade produce (at 1st grade prices) as we the consumers are all considered too dumb to really know the difference, especially if we have never tasted the alternative!
Our nearest Woolies Supermarket is NOT open on Sunday, so obviously we do NOT have any super dooper mark-down specials,... as was suggested that I was "ill-informed" in this respect in an early thread!

Pale ,

Correction there . Dispatching animals "to put them out uf their misery" to coin an old phrase was never something that was "part of the fun" , as you claimed.

Sometimes it was done to get meat but I never enjoyed having to do it .

Your preference " Not see any animals at all " is fairly selfish in my book .

It seems some animal protection organisations would really like to see farm animals disappear into museum cases .

*Perhaps its time woman ran this country.*

Gertrude if you ran this country, frankly I'd leave :)

Cuphandle, markdowns on meat can apply any old time.
If there is none in the cabinets, then none is near its
use by date. The meat that I buy on discount most often
is in fact free range chicken. As its more expensive then
other chicken, many people won't buy it, so when I see
it, I buy it and freeze it.

There is no such thing as two tooth lamb. Its either
a lamb or a hogget. If even a teeny weeny bit of those
first two teeth are showing, its downgraded at the meatworks
right away and we are paid a third of the lamb price,
or 1$ a kg in WA. As a sheep its then called a hogget,
the meat classified as common mutton.

As to lambs on boats, the shippers usually want them
weaned and at least 5 months old. But they go by weight,
37kg being the minimum. Mind you, they prefer them larger.
The lambs I sold to them, many weighed around 60kg and
they were thrilled. They were in fact prime lambs too,
worth big money in the ES. But our hopelessly uncompetitive
meat industry in WA does as it pleases when it comes to
price. They have no competition, so dictate whatever they
feel like, take it or leave it. At the moment mutton in
WA is worth 1$ a kg, nearly double that in the East.
Thats one reason why the live trade is so important to
WA farmers. Our hopeless meat industry in WA

Jim
I hope you dont mind me calling you Jim.
There is NO need to put an animal down with knocking it on the head with the back of an axe.
There never was. That was my point. Why on earth didnt you shoot them.

You cant kill a large beast that way!

Re the No more Animals comment.

No actually most animal groups argue if we dont do this or dont do that there will be no whatevers left for the children of the future to see.

They claim we need the animals to survive so the dear litle children can go to a zoo and also to run unspeakable cruel tests on them in labs- Again for our survival.

It is my own personal view only that if you like is selfish Jim.

I dont think humans are superior. I think we are all animals meant to share this earth .
For eg= You and I cant fly from one tree to another.
I wish we could it would be a wonderful way to see whats left of the bush.
However a bird cant post on olo. We are just very different in what each species can do.
As for people never eating meat again.
Oh what a wonderful shot in the arm for the health of any country who did that. Not to mention humanity.

*It seems some animal protection organisations would really like to see farm animals disappear into museum cases .*

Not just animal libbers Jim, but some armchair conservationists too.

I was involved with a case, trying to get some serious corporate
funding behind a campaign to conserve a species called the
bonobo, of which there are only a few thousand left in Africa.

I was prepared to donate a 6 figure sum of my own money to get it
going and rather then rattle the tin, use good business principles
to appeal to corporate benafactors and business people, who hate
seeing their money pissed up against walls by dreamers.

The project involved bringing some bonobo orphans to Australia,
as only a little over 100 exist outside of the Congo and its a
constant war zone, where they are generally eaten for meat if
anyone gets hold of them.

To cut it short, in the end the armchair conservationists made
it clear that it was better for a species to go extinct, then
for any to be in any kind of human captivity.

Likewise we now have fanatics who ignore the fact that tens of
millions of farm animals can in fact lead happy lives, with
far less stress and worry then exists in nature. The new
mantra is that if its farmed, it must be evil and unhealthy.

Its nearly a religious chant these days, by a small group of
very vocal devotees

Ah Yabby
Why not just help the chimps that are clubbed to death by our neighbours.
Regardless of your personal choices the fact remains "farm animals" get zero consideration.

Millions and millions of farm animals kept in condition that are unspeakable!

The truth is people would be a lot healthier if they ate veggies.

Now as you know we[ pale] are running around opening abattoirs so dont get on your high horse ah.

Let me WSPA a little secret.

If we start out simply improving Animal welfare by slaughtering here -but include in each co joint venture with Muslims a Halal vegetable farm at the same location= sooner or later to Halal vegetables are going to give a better return then the meat.
Your good with figures you say so you work it out.

So there is a win win for farmers and animals and the worlds health.
Any problems with that Sir Yabby?
If I can deliver your share holders a better return farming Halal vegetables than Halal meats how many farmers or share holders do you think are going to be complaing?

You be good now Yabbs.
Yup I can think of anybody at all who would be effected by that. Oh accept for of course the cruel live animal exporters.

"Perfect"