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Are We Truly Free?

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See here is the problem. You cannot turn back time. Already Australia has invited many Muslims on to our shores and for the best part of it the majority are good. We told them that Australia was the lucky country and they could dress how they wanted, practice whatever religion that they want, speak the language that they wanted and that they would be finacially supported and be free. We can't now tell them that we didn't realise that they were so different and that we really mean what we promised them and send them home, not without causing more hostility and maybe even war!

What we need to do is to learn to live together and get along and accept that some people have to live apart for the sake of Peace and Harmony.
Posted by Jolanda, Monday, 3 December 2007 9:22:12 AM
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Belly “but are we free to talk about our concerns without being called racists?”

I would defend every ones right to declare publicly their beliefs and values, using whatever words they feel necessary to achieve accurate and adequate expression, even if some others judge such words as “racist”.

I would defend every ones right to respond to those words as they see fit.

My belief is, through free and uncurtailed verbal and written expression, we promote a better understanding between folk who hold diverse views.

It is better we know how others feel than we live with ignorance to issues suppressed and unsaid.

It is true that the silence of censorship treats all as equal whereas, through their own words, the sage becomes instantly distinguishable from the fool.

It is better the “intolerant” be free to speak their intolerance and maybe swayed to a different view by reasoned argument.

That way we might defuse their “ardour” sufficient to prevent them from action or at least be able to “profile” those who were so moved to act.

Yolanda, “Peace and Harmony” are things which sometimes need to be defended and fought for.

As George Orwell wrote “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 3 December 2007 10:35:13 AM
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Jolanda what if some on one side have no intentions of understanding?
War? yes have no doubt but who will write the history of it?
Col Rouge not one thing in your post is not how I think.
Offended as I am by the Saudi Arabia thing and the Sudan one I think other share my concerns, but not enough from within that community.
Racism is a word often used to stop debate ,never forget my words just in this thread would be viewed in both those country's as worthy of death.
The west must understand our freedoms are hard won and if we let them go it may be forever.
Without free speech we do not have freedom.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 3 December 2007 5:37:35 PM
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Jolanda
No Its not too late. We just tell them they ran out of luck because they push their ways on OUR country to much.
Look public everwhere are saying no mosque in our streets.
The Government should listen before we have the same problem as France!

Islam is a extreme culture. The Koran itself is full of hate and war.
It tells you to kill the west - praise allah
Its time WE the public stood up and had this ut now.
Put it to a vote.
All in favour of floding Australia with these people say Eye!
All against No
The eys have it - ring the bells
So unless you want to be an Australian DONT COME!
Posted by TarynW, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 6:26:32 AM
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Taryn. It is too late as we invited them in. Although I do believe that we should slow down entry until such time as those who are already here have adjusted and we see where it goes first.

You cannot just suddenly change your mind and close the doors as people have family here. Not all Muslims are radicals, it isn't fair to punish the good because of the bad. If they feel they are being treated unfairly they will find ways to get in and they will be angry about it. If we do what you say then we make war not peace. Remember we invited them here and told them that they could do what they wanted. We even gave them more protection and rights than any other race/culture. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. There are enough here already for it to be a big problem. Do we want to live in a country where we are fighting and at war all the time as that is what will happen.

We need more communication and we need to protect our Culture. Muslims have been given too much say. We also need to support moderate Muslims to spread the moderate word of Islam and show them a different way. At the end of the day the vast majority of people just want to live somewhere where they can bring up their children in peace and get a good education. What Church they attend should be their business so long as we ALL treat each other with respect.

When people get angry they become extreme.
Posted by Jolanda, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 6:41:57 AM
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Jolanda
In a war most will stick with their Muslim brothers. You make sense but I say Stop it now. So what if family are here. WE are not reasonsibly for their choice to leave their family.
Let them go back and be with their family .
I have family overseas too but I dont expect the Australian Government to be reasonsible for them- Or my descion to live here.
They do not mix
The moderate ones support the others.
They may be quite now - but just wat ten years r so if we dont stop this.
Migrants from the Fuzzy Wuzzy Angles is what we shuld! be looking at.
After all they saved Australia and I dont hear much about us helping them after this dreaful event!
Posted by TarynW, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 7:18:10 AM
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