Culture is far less a threat to mankind than religion, all of them.
Bigotry and hate divide us in the name of Gods that never existed.
That truly is a shame.
No way around it religious bigotry drives us apart and all religion is bigoted.

What amazes me is that the woman could be so stupid in the first place ......but then she is a school teacher.

Q&A

I am frankly astounded that YOU would question anyone's intelligence. I wasn’t referring to private schools at all. I was referring to the schools which are fully taxpayer funded. In other words OUR SCHOOLs.

This is from section 12 of the public education Act 1872

12. In every State school secular instruction only shall be given and no teacher shall give any other than secular instruction in any State school building

Do some research before YOU go off making an @rse of yourself.

The fact that Muslims are happy to expose their children to the fact that women are second class citizens in Islam doesn’t have any bearing whatsoever on my argument. All it means is that it is fully and completely accepted by some Muslims, that women are inferior creatures and as such expect to be treated commensurately.

So yes Q&A I have goggled, wikkied and discussed the matter with Muslim's. I don’t care that many of the women wear it because they want to. In many Muslim countries around the world the choice is NOT theirs to make and they can be flogged for neglecting to wear it.

As for the final statement, it’s clear you are of seriously limited intelligence. My point is that western feminists would have you sacked for even mentioning the modesty, or lack of, of their dress. Yet these people seem happy to tolerate the fact that women are forced to completely cover up in Islam. That is called hypocrisy.

Ise

Every second mans name in Islam is Mohamed, Why is it so obscene to call a teddy bear Mohamed? Mohamed will soon be the most popular boys name in Britain.
www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200706/s1943853.htm

The problem is the limited education that many third world Muslims get. Learning to recite the Koran in Arabic is not particularly useful for a Sudanese child except to ensure that they are an obedient servant to the Sheiks and Mullahs of this world.

Paul says:

“Our schools are supposed to be secular if I remember correctly.”

Humble apologies, I read this statement as,

“Our schools are supposed to be secular if I remember correctly.”

And here is me thinking “our schools” means Australian schools.

It seems Paul really means or is referring to “fully taxpayer funded” – ok, moving the goal posts again (typical defence mechanism) and subject of another thread.

You say you have “goggled (sic), wikkied and discussed the matter with Muslim's” and “don’t care that many of the women wear it because they want to.”

Because they want to?

Well yes, maybe they do … but if you understood Islam you would know their dress code is part of their doctrine, whether you (or I) like it or not.

It follows therefore (and we have certain anti-discrimination laws that Paul is well aware of) that it would also be hypocritical (as well as against our law) to say to these Muslim women that they can not wear their Hajib.

So when Paul says,

“I personally find the hidjab (sic – wiki?) offensive as should all *normal* people as it is the clearest possible sign of Islam’s outlook regarding women … Yet these people are happy to have their children exposed to this obvious statement of women’s lesser worth in Islam.”

He is not only being a hypocrite himself, he is also in conflict with our laws.

I would be interested in knowing what his definition of “normal” is in the context of his statement – but no doubt he will *goggle* it.

Q&A

My argument was derived from the ruling on the religious requirements of Sikh and Muslim students in Public schools. If you really were thick enough to think that I was suggesting that Catholic and other private schools were supposed to be secular then no wonder you are having so much trouble.

>> if you understood Islam you would know their dress code is part of their doctrine, whether you …like it or not.

You really are very dense aren’t you. I made the statement at least twice that their religion/culture requires that they dress in a certain manner. In fact I pointed out very clearly that a woman can be arrested by the religious police and flogged for flouting the dress restrictions. My point is that the way their religious obligations are interpreted is designed to enforce women’s lesser worth in Islam. This subservient role that women are allocated in Islam predates the prophet and has as much to do with cultural mores as it does with religion.

The Catholic Church opposes condoms and sex education. We don’t bow before their demands at our public schools. In fact students are asked not to wear crucifixes to school.There is no place for religion in our schools, of any type. That rightly belong in the home.

BTW When I say normal people I mean all those who are horrified that political correctness has got to the point where Santa can’t say HO! HO! HO! anymore. This excludes those ANAL types who resort to pointing out spelling errors when it becomes clear they are on a losing wicket. Especially when their own spelling isn’t all that great..

>> … can not wear their *Hajib.*

*Hajib* – a high government official in Arabic
*Hijab* – a dress code for Muslims

It is not in the slightest hypocritical if we say to ALL religions that their strictures, icons and apparel are not welcome in public schools. Neither is it against the law. For it to be discriminatory it would have to be applied selectively, which it is not.

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