Botheration read my post before using words like moron!
2 issues? no mate ten thousand and more lets revisit the Saudi proposed flogging.
Or do we wander about the streets of an American city and see the street people who work 2 jobs for minimum wage but still sleep in the streets.
First how free are we? I think few true Australian Christians would flog the Sudanese teacher for naming a toy Jesus, what do you think BOAZ DAVID?
I think the answer will one day come from within the Islamic world, extremism and bigotry will be overcome.
Am I free to say some Muslims are bigoted in the name of a God ,who like all Gods never existed?
Deeply rooted in man is the view people who think other than as he.she does are wrong.
Say sorry? who will say sorry to me? for cars stolen wallet taken while transporting these kids in trouble.
Is it not true wrongs are on both sides?
That after 240 years some are not interested in moving on? in education for the kids? in keeping the house even clean?
Can white man be blamed for every thing?
Can I say here in this forum my open friendly Aussie Gday mate hows it going ? was met with anger filled eyes by a group of new Aussies?
I want to believe they did not speak English.
But if white man alone is to blame for the worlds sins I am unable to see a solution to them.

Belly,
Re the Saudi rape case:
We criticise the Saudi political leadership on many issues – and perhaps deservedly so. But on this issue we need to acknowledge their enlightened direction.I suspect a more democratic Saudi, at least under current mores, may have been less responsive to outside opinion.

Re saying “sorry”:
I suspect “sorry “ is just he latest bar we’ll be told we have to limbo under to demonstrate “reconciliation” “justice” “bring closure” etc etc …
I suspect the spin doctors are already in the backrooms drawing up the NEXT big thing/issue – there will never be an end – because certain people need to always spin it as, my group against your group.

(And further to the above I noted in an earlier post, you seemed to say you didn’t personally agree with saying ‘sorry’.
It is a feature of our democracy that when you vote for a party you are seen to endorse a lot of policies you may not necessary favour –but that’s another issue)

Belly
I think its a good thing you opended this thread.
It shows you do think about others so I may? have misjudged you on the other thread.
As every second man is called Mohamed I see no harm in a child calling his Teddy by the same name.
I think your one step ahead of most.

I think your pointing ut we dont want this nonsesense here.

My Dad has always said it wont matter in the end if we take them here or not because they will take us in the end.

I am young but I can see that already.

What gets up my nose is that its my kids who have had to make adjustments to Muslim kids ways.

I dont blame the kids of course but whats the Government and schools doing.
Why should Aussie kids change for them.

Its our country so they should be the ones to do the changing.
The whole world should stand up for this teacher.
Your correct.
I picked up another stray puppy last week and we havent named him yet.
Think I will call him Mohamed- poor puppy
I will open a thread for you belly and call it my puppy Mohamed
If its regected then you know we are no different than where that poor teacher is living.
Of course your right and we need people like you speaking out.

And Another thing.

Its the Aussie way to have a dog. A dog is a mans best friend.
So why bring these strange lot over here than that dont wont and never want to mix and be an Aussie.

I reckon we should all ban together and tell Rudd= No more Muslims or Mosques.
They only come over here to take over.

How on earth does the Government EVER think the two cultures can get on.
Just changing the subject does anybdy know a charity I can donate to that helps starving Aussie kids?
We do have plenty of them you know.

Perhaps I could get the list from Docs.

Every single add on TV is for Muslim Countries.
Save the starving children here there but what about our Aboriginal kids going without.
I am sick to death of giving to cuntries that are basically our enermies.
My God lood at the arms we have given them over the last fifty years.

If the Church want to give them something it should be birth control for God Sake.
While I am at it Churches SHOULD charge for helping any child be it an Aussie or Muslim counrry.

They have plenty of people that work for free for them in fear of the lord so WHY are all these dorks on huge wages.

If Muslims dont want to take on our ways we should tell them to F off.
Morgan go your hardest but the truth is most Aussies are NOT happy with OUR laws being changed to suite them.
My Kids were attending school first in their own country and I say F off if you dont like our school our ways and leave our kids their OWN Culture.
Tell em if they dont like it to F off!
Here Mohamed
Here Puppy puppy
See Morgan I am not a racist I have given this beautiful puppy the name Mohamed.
hes so cute!

What a strange thread. I think that we are certainly free in Australia to criticise Islam or any other religion, within the constraints of our laws. That is, we can say pretty much whatever we like as long as we're not vilifying or defaming anyone, or engaging in sedition.

Mind you, we're certainly less "free" in several respects since the erstwhile Howard government legislated some of our rights away in the name of 'anti-terrorism'. However, I think that relatively speaking we're still probably better off than most - particularly the residents of benighted places like Saudi Arabia or Sudan.

I think that botheration's use of the word 'moron' was somewhat misdirected above - it would be more accurately applied to the author of the most recent couple of posts above. However, I guess it shows that Australia is free enough that morons like TarynW can spew hate in forums such as this without fear of consequences.

Belly, please forgive me – I absolutely *did not* mean to direct the word "moron" at you. I meant, you know, people in general. I just meant to make the general point that people who are unable to differentiate between the actions of moderates and extremists aren't necessarily the sharpest tools in the toolbox. To be honest, as CJ points out, Taryn is an example. (And cheers for getting my back, CJ.)

I did read your post and thought you raised an interesting question. Again, sorry that I offended you, but it was entirely unintentional – merely bad phrasing on my part.

Of course I'm not suggesting that Aussie Christians would flog a Sudanese teacher. I suggested they might be offended by the inverse situation. I was trying to distinguish between rational and irrational responses. Believe me, I think the Sudanese response is not only irrational, but criminal.

Not everything is white people's fault, but, because of our global success, we are part of every solution. Believe it or not, I've had my wallet stolen by someone I was trying to help as well. But, I believe, you can't let that stuff stop you – we can achieve a better society, and we all have to keep working towards it.

And when others let you down, you are free to shout it from the rooftops.