MJPB
Your post on the 16th raises the issue of thought. A good farmer dog owner Stock man vet or just plain animal owner can look at a beast in the eyes to judge paid.
You can tell if a beast is crook by his eye. Same as a horse.
In fact most animals.
A real horse man will tell in a flash. Same as a cattleman. I guess the same applys with sheep but I personally have.
Its just experience.
The old timers are few and far I am afraid.

Breaking Rural News : LIVESTOCK
ABA calls for push to re-open abattoirs to reduce huge queue
Australia
Wednesday, 18 October 2006

Australian Beef Association (ABA) chair, Linda Hewitt, today called on MLA and State Governments to assist in opening recently closed abattoirs.

Urgent action is needed, she says, to help stem the 'meat production disaster' that is engulfing Australia.

She said, “The flood of livestock on to the market is unprecedented.

"So is the speed of the crash to producers.

"When people are paying $1000 for breeders in one month, and in the next month, they are worth under $500, we are into new and frightening territory.

"It's a crisis which is galloping upon all those in the rural Australia.

"Our beef industry has good finished young cattle falling 33pc and good cows falling 38pc in price inside two months.

"Meanwhile the world market remains strong.

“Last week, Australia had filled only 255,000 tonnes of the 378,000-tonnes US beef quota.

"We have been shipping around 6,500 tonnes a week.

"So we will not even reach 300,000 tonnes by the end of November, the ‘cut off’ date for 2006.

How ridiculous!

"We won’t fill 80pc of the US quota.

"Yet we have prices diving to 1975 cattle depression levels.

"This is because ‘drought selling’ has triggered a huge backlog for killing and chiller space.”

Mrs Hewitt said that the MLA should be making the Government aware of this disaster.

MLA and Government jointly introduced the $5/head levy, plus the very costly NLIS and LPA systems, ‘to safeguard our markets’.

Action will assist in restoring employment, stem the price fall, and contribute to fill the remaining US quota.
Australian Beef Association chair, Linda Hewitt, calls for action.

Wizard Cilia. This is the start and if we all work together and multiply throughout Australia it will be a win for Animal Welfare and long term empoyment.








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Gee benny, were did that come from? Was there a point?

Seems the waters here are a little calmer, I will caustiously step in.

Taurus, thats what I was trying to get at with my comment. Farmers dont enjoy doing those procedures and putting their livestock through pain, they just dont have too many choices.

So is this type of cattle mustering still going on? How come we never hear any fuss made of it? All the hoo harr they make about conditions at saleyards and transport yet this is happening?

PF..when you pose it that way I guess, yes the minute of pain(if indeed it is a minute..a cut is painful longer than that, but not unbearable i guess) may indeed negate the longterm problems associated with uncut pigs at a later date, and under the circumstances what are you to do..you are taking a very responsible approach.

You have never heard of hazing PF?

Pisces..I cant tell you why media attention hasnt been highlighted to the revolting practice of hazing in its current form..Just as there are no watchdogs, or were rather, to oversee if we used humane practices to cull foxes as they were regarded as a feral pest,as indeed these wild cattle and Buffallo...buffallo are an introduced animal and wild cattle are out of control..

Maybe you could tell me?

I had never heard the term, but when you described it, I remember reading about it in a book (that I cant remember the name of) She had Bullaroo in the top end, whats her name, it wont come to me? Anyway, they described vehicles like that that they caught rouge young bulls with. didnt sound that bad in the story - but then again, she wouldnt have wanted the attention that would have gone with it.

Castrated piglets show little sign of stress after the procedure. Straight back to what they were doing. They dont even swell up like cattle. Probably because these were done so young and 'things' were very small. Teeth cutting on the other hand seems to knock them around more.

Do Animals feel pain? What are the pain indicators in animals? part1

Hello Rachel06
Thanks for your interesting thread. Some of the posters made really good points re pain
Animals have a soul and the same chemical makeup as we so why should they feel differently.

Not every person is an animal lover and consequently dont know that animals suffer.
Laboratory test on animals and vivisection etc are good examples that animals indeed feel pain to the point that they commit suicide while restrained.
How much more pain indicator is needed as evidence?
Iam not sure if I am allowed to name companies that test their product on animals so I wont.
Isnt it true that if an orderinary person inflicts harm on their pet its called cruelty but if a laboratory tech or Professor inflicts horrible pain on a defenceless, restrained animals its called scientific research purposes and the person in question gets paid for being cruel.
Why having this double standard?
Where do we draw the line to what is acceptable or not.

http://www.justiceforanimals.co.za/anti_vivisection.html

I believe that a person inflicting harm like on an animal is enjoying maiming it as it gives them power over something in this case defendless animals what ever species it may be and in my opinion has a serious psychological problem that needs to be treated.

Pigs held by the neck dont scream true, why?
Because it their mothers way of bringing their offspring to safety. see dogs cats bears lions rabbits etc.

Some animals and people are silent sufferers if they are, why?
Certain pets hide when they are sick why?
Why does another animal is severe pain does not whinge, scream?
Some animals are not able to make louds, others might be just too sick/weak to complain.

People have a low or high pain threshold therefore can deal with their pain accordingly.
Why is it that people ridicule another person for not walking properly?
Isnt this a sign of being in pain?

Maybe the person in question doesnt want to worry others or doesnt want sympathy only the person would know