Pisces...I hope your wonderful free range farm near Inverell really is as wonderful as you say..and thanks for the info.. I will tune in .At least you are now in the spirit of the forum and that is certainly welcome for a change.

Taurus
We believe the farm at Inverell is as good as its been reported.

Pisces No didnt catch it has a bbq. Big red steak and bundy. that ought to get the libbers going. but [thanks] Will tape it have lawyers at 11am.

Pisces we all know land lines reporting on live exports and why so dont get too excited/ Slaughtering here is not rocket Science you know. Australia the clever country is exporting animals in their most vaulable form
Mean time here are some of the track records regarding live exports.
http://www.halakindmeats.com/elders.html
AQIS / AMSA Trial into live Exports
Indication of inadequacies into the trade which resulted in suffering and death of export animals.

April 1997 high death rate cattle long voyage slow ship to Middle East.

April 1997 cattle high deaths move from hot to cold stockmans deaths report does not concide with AMSA report.

April 1997 cattle did not eat pellets (died)

April 1997 feral goats died

May 1997 cattle high deaths

May 1997 sheep died engine problems hot Middle East

May 1997 cattle died

May 1997 sheep died amonia level

May 1997 sheep and cattle 70% death

June 1997 sheep died chilled trucked through rain rough seas pneumonia

July 1997 high death sheep 4 Ports no water

July 1997 thousands feral goats died

July 1997 sheep mortalities 3 Ports high deaths

July 1997 goats stress

August 1997 late pregnant cattle aboarded and died

August 1997 sheep high deaths ammonia rough seas very hot

September 1997 cattle mortalities stomach bloats high deaths

September 1997 high death sheep no ventilation

September 1997 90% cattle died hot humid Persian Golf

October 1997 exacerbated leg injuries heavy steers

November 1997 high deaths in sheep and goats engine problems

November 1997 high sheep mortality

November 1997 cattle ship vessel overloaded deaths intestinal wind
high deaths

1980 the entire 40,605 sheep were trapped and perished at sea in ship caught fire

1980 disease outbreak deaths 2713 sheep

1985 14,994 sheep died from heat exhaustion on board on the FERMANDA F

This is the worste Time To Ship Sheep Right Now

Rachel06

When animal owners have busy lives they lack the time to properly observe their animals. I am often able to properly assess my animals simply by their facial expressions! Here are some other recent observations:

1. An aggressive dog ripped off the tip of another dog's ear. The victim screamed for some seconds. Had I not witnessed this occurrence, I would have assumed the screams to be human in sound. The victim danced around snapping at the air for some time - almost epileptic. Clearly, the dog was experiencing a lot of pain.

2. The dog, which I have mentioned in a previous post, who was flyblown was completely silent. I suspect it was half dead anyway. The maggots (thousands of them) were feeding off the entrails and testicles - a hideous sight! I am informed that this animal had been whimpering and crying long before it had got to that stage, in the hope that its owners would have inspected him - which they had not!

I am in no doubt that animals also experience emotional pain. I am told that my dog howls while I am away. Since I've never heard him howl, he must clearly be fretting over my absence.

I have concluded that animals experiencing pain, are often silent which tells me that they are no different to humans, as we often suffer in silence too! Humans who suffer from migraines are usually silent, however, I understand that their pain is quite unbearable!

Humans need to "get over themselves" and realise that they are not the superior species. Only then will we see a more humane treatment of animals and yes, a review of farming practices (including the disgusting overcrowding) is well overdue!

Perhaps some of the cruel humans will reincarnate as farm pigs! Now that's what I would call "Karma"!

Pisces,

Yes I think the comments are fair!

In response to the allegation that farmers claim that muellesing, docking etc. doesn’t cause pain:

"Like for example..farmers etc will inflict all kinds of cruelities on animals and because they dont react to pain in the same way we do ,and assume that they then, dont feel any or much pain?.like muellesing, docking,cruel shearing practices,removing testicles,sewing up tears etc."

I said:

“Perhaps the farmers are just rationalising their actions with wishful thinking when they don't see much of or any reaction.”

I did not mean to suggest that they did it for the fun of it or to speculate on the merit of the procedures. I only meant to respond directly to the allegation I quoted.

Someone commented on a fly blown dog. A fly blown sheep will obviously suffer more than one that has had a procedure to prevent that. The procedures would obviously hurt. Only someone feeling guilty and wanting to rationalise the hurt would suggest that no pain is involved.

Nevertheless that emotional response is irrelevant to whether or not the procedures have benefit. My above comment is my attempt at explaining the alleged belief that the farmers claim to think the beasts do not feel pain. Please consider the comment completely in that context. Perhaps this needed to be clarified so that we don’t get our wires crossed.

Dickie, ..'perhaps some humans will reincarnate as farm pigs'...well said and I can think of at least one who would qualify for that karmic experience if fate and justice prevail.:)

That incidence of the dog was horrific and there goes to show right there that not all animals in pain neccessarily express it.,
and your completely right in all youve said there ,as I long suspected that to be the case.

Ahh, that all depends now on which pig farm they end up at! That place just on Landline doesnt look too bad now does it! May be better than were you goes are going :)