Dear David,

How can two groups (the saints in heaven and the saints on earth) be connected to the Head, but not also connected to each other? There is no verse in scripture that says that the saints in heaven have been cut off from the saints on earth. Such a division in the Body is totally arbitrary.
Scripture tells us that the members of the Body, in their connection to the head, are also connected to each other. I provide EXAMPLES, not a straitjacket as follows: Please refer to Rom 12:4-5; 1 Cor 12:13,26; 2 Cor 2:5; Eph 1:9-10; 2:19-21; 4:15-16,25; Col 2:18-19; Heb 13:3).

If we aren't, if we are divided so that there is the Body of Christ in heaven and the Body of Christ on earth, then that means Christ has two bodies. But, Scripture tells us that we are all united in one body (cf. Rom 12:4-5; 1 Cor 10:17; 12:12-13,20; Eph 4:4; Col 3:15).
This is all courtesy of the one true Church which is the Catholic Church.

Webby,

Whilst I love your enthusiasm for your own Catholic Church... It seems that Jesus Christ your Lord and Saviour is silent on such matters.

Jesus' teachings are the 4 gospels ... Yep those ones... And the books thereafter are full of man's interpretations... Once again Christians aren't you placing way too much importance on man's interpretations and not the actual words of your Christ?

Can't you guys see that your overemphasis on Paul's teachings is exactly the cause of the division in Christ Earthly Ministry. Aren't you guys so busy arguing that "my church is better than yours" actually the cause of the division in your religion? Isn't that exactly what the Pharisees and Saduccees had done when Jesus rebuked them. Again I ask which are you Pharisees or Saducees?

Perhaps it is because I am not a Christian that I can see the folly of Jesus' so called followers... Simple - you don't follow Jesus' teachings... you follow Pauls! Jesus allegedly was the Son of God and Paul just a man...

Once again I say Jesus was "silent" on the Trinity and all this guff! Jesus predicted this would happen. Since he allegedly walked the Earth Christianity has splintered into over 22,000 groups.

Who gave you the right as Christians to bicker like this? Who gave you the right to follow Paul's teachings over Jesus'? If Jesus remained silent on these things why would you Christians fight each other over such ridiculous things.

My church owns God ... No mines does... Is infantile, unchristian and adding further divisiveness to your so called religion... Are you Christians or Paulians? I think you should take a step back and consider these things!

Remember Jesus is watching and if I were him I would be unimpressed with most Christians as they have divided his ministry and his message without his permission.

Please God - Save me from your followers...rofl

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5,3) - Wow it looks like the atheists and agnostics might get in afterall...lmao Christianity dividers aren't listed...rofl

Opinionated2,
It is true that many Christians do not grasp how God is revealed incarnate. He is primarily revealed by His spirit through the character of people in whom He lives, and who reside in Him.

The trinity is a 3rd century Roman idea trying to define God in spatial terms. God is spirit! Not three spirits as beings in one person or three persons in one spirit. As divine Love can be revealed in many persons it only has one source - God. God is expressed in character by his sacrificial love, by the secure expression of pure joyfulness, by the deep serenity of confident peace, by the patience that allows outcomes, by the gentleness as of a doting father, by the purity of wholesome thoughts and actions, by a gentleness that causes no offense and woos sinners to change their ways. His spirit is self controll.

The spirit of God is manifest incarnate in those that live such character, attitudes, wisdom and godly care.

The acceptance that we have fallen short in our expression of God that Jesus was that expresion of God makes one a follower on the basis we repent of our failure and emulate him.

Hi Webby :) well.. I'll look at those scriptures when I have time mate.. to me its very simple and very clear (of course..that's because I'm a dumb dum according to blessed Opinionated :)

OPINIONATED.. (now where is that chunk of rough sawn 2 x 4 ? :) I'm trying to work out if ur a Jehovah's witness or a Muslim here.. the patterns become predictable after a while.

You said:

David, the Christ and the Messiah were never said to be God... That again is you and your doctrinal thinking.

then: "He said 'My God,My God, why have you forsaken me'" and you took it to suggest Christ is less than God. TOOOOtally forgetting of course..that Jesus spoke those words to echo Psalm 22 which is totally messianic. (Pinch) You also fail to realize how that fits with the Lords own words in Luke 24:44-46

44 He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46 He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,

Now..you say the Bible does not say the Christ is 'God'? (you get another pinch for that :)... READDDDDDD me boy.. actually open the book and readddd what's on the pages.

Isaiah 9.6 "and he (The messiah) shall be called MIGHTY GOD"

There are so many references in John...from the Lord Himself where God, Christ, Jesus, are used interchangably that I cannot cite them all here... you can read them yourself. But it IS....there.

Don't give me 'common sense' that's an abysmally subjective concept anyway. (its also code for 'my viewpoint' :)I'll talk 'Revelation' with you.. and them subject my 'common sense' to what is backed up by signs, wonders and the resurrection of Christ.

Dear opinionated and David,

The Church is not a creation each time anyone opens the Bible and begins to read nor is the Church created anew when you gather as a group.
The Church exists in time just as Jesus Christ its founder came in time through the Incarnation.
The so-called 'bible beleivers' and 'bible churches' are a contradiction in terms.
The Catholic Church preceded the writing of the 4 Gospels. The 4 Gospels were then written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit by members of the Catholic Church.
To cease to be ignorant of real time history is to cease to be Protestant.

David - No I am not a JW (I hate knocking on doors)or a Muslim, I was raised a Methodist. Wow you sure saw that predictability... rofl Are you psychic?

Webby - "The Catholic Church preceded the writing of the 4 Gospels." It may? have preceded the writings but it didn't precede the "actual words and directions spoken by Jesus"... Arrogance?

Poor Jesus will be in heaven shaking his head ... look at my followers they are too blind to see the truth and the damage they do to my name.

Boaz ... You can hit me with a lump of 4 x 2 if you wish... When I wake up I will forgive you... Wow what a Jesus like trait... I will just say "God, Jesus & Holy Ghost be you one or 3 entities forgive David for he knows not what he does"...rofl

Then I will offer you my other cheek so you can take another swipe... lol

David Isaiah 9:6 does say that but 9:7 says ......He will rule as King David's successor.......... The Lord Almighty is determined to do this.

So God (Jesus) will replace a mere mortal King David as King David's successor - and God is determined to do this? He is already seated on the throne... why would Jesus sit on King David's throne? Wow that is some step down.

David the OT is a one sided history of a group of twelve nomadic tribes that formed together to form what we now know as Israeli's for their protection. It was written by man to tell of great feats and ugly battles - justifying all it had done in the name of God.

It is man's word....

Jesus knowing all things past, present and future didn't mention the trinity... man invented it... Like when Jesus was baptized Matthew 3:15 -16 ... ...Then heaven was opened up to him and he saw thw spirit of God.... David come on this is pretty simple stuff...

The spirit of God came upon him when he was baptised ... If he was God this wouldn't have happened!