Ah Philo... Thankyou for popping your head up to defend the lie... beautiful just beautiful...

A lie is an untruth.... deliberate, partly deliberate, an exaggeration of fact can all be lies, deliberately omitting something can be a lie. It is the intent behind the action that makes it a lie.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/01/1077989476238.html

Now there are several lines in this article that would hit a free thinking person between they eye... I'll pick them out for you... cause I know I am free thinking.

It cleared the government of putting overt pressure on Australian agencies to beef up their assessments of Iraq's capabilities, but said "...some intelligence assessments may have been changed unconsciously to reflect government policy concerns."How do you change something unconsciously to reflect Govt policy concerns. Laughable! Perhaps it was changed in someone's sleep?

The ONA and Defence intelligence were sceptical about Iraq's threat but suddenly the tone changed in the September 13 assessment.

Why? Could it be that they were unconsciously modifying there assessments because unconsciously they were backing up their Govt who was unconsciously telling porky pies?

Here are a few more articles to remind you af what actually happened and what pollies said - Please dtry not to read them unconsciously... lmao

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/03/1075776060198.html

http://www.theage.com.au/news/robert-manne/the-complex-politics-of-lying/2004/07/25/1090693832197.html

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1056607.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/06/1057430079142.html

http://news.sbs.com.au/sales/proginfo.php?type=Dateline&id=638&dte=2003-06-04&title=Andrew%20Wilkie%20Interview

When will the lies stop with this mob? Was it a core or non-core promise to raise the standards of Parliament? And is using falsified evidence to invade a country a crime under International Law?

Is Johnnie Howard praying for the honesty bug to bite him one day? Lmao

OPINIONATED....

mate.. you keep on with this 'The lie of WMD' spin... I showed you the personal testimony of the Iraqi who moved them to Syria..and all you can say is "he is selling books"... GOOD GRIEF mate.. do you actually hear yourself ? With such background..does it surprise you that such a person would write a book about it ?
Since when has that been wrong ?

Then..you just go back into your glazed eyed programmed state of "They did not exist"..

So..lets weigh it up in terms of 'probability'

1/ Opinionated says.. (based on many second hand reports in biased media) "There were no WMD's"

2/ General Sada says "I was there, I flew them to Syria"

Well no prizes for guessing who has more credibility mate.

Hmm...ur not a lawyer.. ru :)

TRINITY.. how did THAT get in here ? (startled monkey look)
a) It is NOT in the Bible....(as a word)
b) It IS in the Bible as a revelation. (look at ALLLL the verses)
c) It is neither here nor there for this thread.

PERICLES... back 2 u.

you said:
Unfortunately, his entire argument can be summarised as "since you can't prove anything is impossible, you might as well study it anyway, just in case."

No... not quite. I think his legal status does say something about how to view testimony.
More...like this.

1/ You cannot disprove the Miraculous, now.
2/ Thus, how can you a-priori say "It could not have happened then"

THAT.... dear Pericles is the substance of his argument.
If you 'begin' approaching testimony of people with the preconcieved and baseless presupposition that 'if they say such and such it cannot be true' then you will end up with the conclusion you desired at the beginning. They may as well have said nothing.

Now.. usually ur a bright boy.. yet you cant see this ?
If you want 'written words' and they are more juicy to you... he has lots of written papers there if you follow the links.

OPINIONATED.. you need some more heat treatment :)

You gave this article.

PM admits WMD doubt
By Louise Dodson
Chief Political Correspondent
Perth
February 4, 2004


I gave you THIS article.

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says
By IRA STOLL
Staff Reporter of the Sun
January 26, 2006

NOTICE THE DATES ?

In fact.. ALL THE articles you provided were dated prior to Sada's announcement/testimony.

Part of assessing evidence.. includes CHECKING THE DATES !

Aside from that.. have a great day :)

Boaz you are so hopeful that there were WMD's that you have lost the plot.

Sada is discredited mate.... Good old Sada saw an opportunity to make a buck with his new masters and wrote a book.

He says that the WMD's were secreted to Syria... Why hasn't Georgey Bush been saying this ad infinitum... Sorry that dates don't actually matter. And if this was proven why didn't Georgey "Mission Accomplished" Bush go after them? Its whether there is truth behind what is said that's important David not the date... Is honesty a Christian value?

The Yanks sinking deeper into the mire which is Iraq needed some justification for the war so out pops Mr Sada... What a wonderful opportunity...

It is an excellent ploy because people like you who are hoping for WMD's to justify this mess jump on it like it is manna from heaven...

Yee ha I hear Boazy say ... I'm right... well no your wrong...

And now to one more thing about honesty being a Christian value ... Johnnie (I can't lie straight in bed) as treasurer presided over higher 90 day bank bill rates than Keating ... Yep sad for not so honest John but true...

What would Jesus have thought about the fibs regarding interest rates? Treasurer Howard presided over bank bill rates up to 22.00% on April 8 1982 whereas Keating presided over bank bill rates up to 20.50% on 18 December 1985? Is the PM being dishonest?

http://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/bulletin/F01DHIST.XLS

The Reserve Bank proves this point... What say ye now all your fib believers..

Now Boaz on this Holy Trinity bunkum.

Where does Jesus Christ your Lord who you worship ever say that he is The Father, The Son & The Holy Ghost? Simple question with no wriggle room on this one, David, where?

The reason that it is important in this thread is it goes to honesty as a Christian value... He doesn't ever say it so Jesus doesn't describe himself as man later chooses to. Are your thoughts on this Jesus' express instruction or a man's interpretation. I'm not going to read every chapter and verse again to see if you are right David... I would expect you to show me where Jesus said such things! It should be simple for a bible toting Christian.

The Trinity Lords Prayer

Our father, Jesus who art God, the son of God & the holy spitit, hallowed be thye 3 names ... thy kingdom come, thye will be done on Earth... etc etc. etc.

Be honest David ... Jesus never said he was God and the Holy Spirit...
He said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do... The Trinity is based on man's interpretation and man is very fallible.

Jesus either prayed to himself or you are wrong... Did Jesus opray to himself David... Christian honesty is being assessed by your answer david

It's OK David greater minds than yours have it wrong also...lmao

Oh by the way I hope you can get released from your slavery at the Commonwealth bank...lmao

Opinionated2,
I note you agree with me by this statement "It is the intent behind the action that makes it a lie".

John Howard based his action on what he believed to be true facts made by his advisors. Unlike some who want to hold the most important political office in the Nation that visit high class brothels and over imbible alcohol and fail to disclose they make poor personal decisions.