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Is honesty a Christian Value?

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Opinionated. Runner is quite right, you turned your post into the following:

1/ Attack on a particular political party
2/ Attack on Christian belief generally.

It looks like you have accessed some kind of 'skeptics annotated Bible' or.. "50 million contradictions in the bible" site and just rabidly pasted a heap of 'ammo' to hold Christian belief up to contempt.

The passages you blurted out show basically that you have little understanding of prophetic/anthropomorphic language and the culture of Israel during the time of the prophets. I could go though each passage one by one, but your post does not come from a sincere heart.. quite obviously. For the record though..I "sell" my son daily to a company which employs him.. I 'sell' myself to the Commonwealth bank.. you are simply taking the worst mental image of 'slavery' you can conjour up and applying it without reservation to a totally different time.

When I was in Sarawak..the Punan jungle nomads SOLD themselves to the Kelabits regularly ... ie... did work..for food...

WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION....
It seems that no matter how many times the point is made... people with heads in the sand just don't see it.. so I'll make it a-gain.

http://www.nysun.com/article/26514

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says
By IRA STOLL
Staff Reporter of the Sun
January 26, 2006

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

Hope that helps your foggy mind.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 5:23:11 AM
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Nice one, Opinionated2 - and good timing. Last night's "Four Corners" on ABC TV depicted some of the most obvious "Christian" dishonesty I've seen, as a senior member of the Exclusive Brethren told porky after porky on camera about his sect's covert and hypocritical funding of political advertising in Australia and elsewhere.

That Boazy is a member of the related Open Brethren is uncoincidental: he has demonstrated time and again in this forum that he has a similar disregard for truth and honesty in his many 'political' posts to thsi forum, in which he enunciates essentuially identical views to those of his Exclusive Brethren cousins. Perhaps it's something they learn in Brethren 101 - how to reconcile telling lies with the Christian faith.

Boazy's response to your identification of some of the less palatable passages from the Bible is instructive. Those parts of the Bible are evidently supposed to be taken metaphorically, while Boazy insists that similarly odious parts of the Q'uran must be taken literally. This blatant hypocrisy has been pointed out to him many times, but his disingenuous blathering continues regardless, such is his regard for honesty.

His WMD line is classic - rather than acknowledge that Brethren hero Howard lied to the Australian public in order to justify our participation in the ongoing disaster that is the Iraq War, Boazy clings to unproven claims that the supposed WMD were spirited out of the country prior to the war. What has always struck me as ludicrous about this claim is that, if Saddam Hussein actually had weapons of mass destruction, surely he would have deployed them in his own defence in the war that he knew was coming?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 6:56:51 AM
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Honesty and belief in religion – a phrase that can only be oxymoronic. To believe in a religion – any religion requires suspension of disbelief.

For example, a belief in Christianity requires acceptance of virgin births, resurrection of the dead, walking on water, living in the belly of a whale, parting of oceans; well the list goes on and on and I’m sure the astute reader can think of many other impossibilities, er, ‘miracles’.

These ‘miracles’ require the religious to have an interesting relationship with the truth. One might even say a dishonest relationship, hence I was unable to resist Opinionated2’s discussion thread.

Truth and religion are incompatible; therefore to express surprise when our Christian pollies tell whoppers is naïve indeed.

Maybe JC was honest, no-one can know for sure. No-one who wrote the gospels was there and JC didn’t write anything down, or if he did the words have been lost (which is very convenient for some).

As for the bible, we all know you can prove anything you want in its much abused text, so why should the religious be expected to be honest when they are unable to be honest with themselves? We can at least be grateful when someone claims to be religious, we have been warned.
Posted by Johnny Rotten, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 10:41:44 AM
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So now the post has gone from a question to an attack on Mr Howard and now an attack on the character of God. Well instead of deceitfully disguising the question why was not the post just straight out an attack on the character of God. I suppose I have answered my own question in my original post in that every man be a liar while God is true. Everyone knows that even the United Nations believed IRAQ had weapons of mass destruction. Mr Beazley believed it, Mr Blair believed it and Mr Rudd believed it.

AS for the creation having the audacity to question the Creators character I find pitiful. It is amazing that God's love and grace has extended so far and so long. No one on these posts would have anywhere near the love, patience and long suffering that God has chosen to put up with.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 10:47:14 AM
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Runner... You have totally missed the point ... I am not criticising the creator at all OR attacking God...

I am pointing out the parts of the Bible (the Bible) that Christians say is God's inerrant word. Is it God's inerrant word or not? If it is and Jesus is God then what do you say to that?

How can I be blamed for attacking God when it is passages of the Bible that I am quoting? ... I didn't write it... you guys believe God did! And therefore you guys believe God ordered these horrid things! Seems to me that your belief makes you a confirmer of these attrocities allegedly ordered by God!

No all knowing, all seeing GOD would order such atrocities! But you guys have to believe he did because you guys call yourself Christian and the Bible is your inerrant book of choice. So is the Bible God's word or not? And were the atrocities ordered by God or not? Please don't blame me for bringing passages in your book to your attention!

Now getting back to Howard... he is a known teller of untruths... proven time and time throughout his political career. These things are proven... What decision must be taken by Christians if someone continues to mislead the people? OOps I think that is covered by Jesus when he talks about Pharisees and Sadducees!

David David David... as usual you miss the point.... Put your thinking cap on... There were no weapons of Mass Destruction .. the war was about oil! Come on David don't hang your hat on that old article... the guys a book seller! The Yanks have even decided that they were wrong on that score.

I guess the only two people who still think they existed are John Howard and David Boaz... Howard got us in this mess because of the lie... what's your reason David?
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 11:57:36 AM
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Opinionated2

Again you question God's character. Yes God did command the 'slaughter' of some who committed great atrocities in sacrificing children and committing many other unspeakable acts. Of course in the new testament we see how much He loved people by sending His sinless Son to die on a cross. The fact that we are all caught in sin and rebellion towards God is undeniable. As I continue to point out let every man be found a liar but God be true. You question God's right to be God. I suggest you look to the only Man never to lie and receive forgiveness for your sin and lies. Termination on earth is minute compared to an eternity of torment. Thank God that He has given us the opportunity for the forgiveness of sins through Christ! The righteous man is not the one who has never lied (there is only One) but those who have had a heart change by the mercy of God.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 1:08:18 PM
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