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What Odds On Trump's M.E Peace Plan?

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Netanyahu confirms Israel arming clans opposed to Hamas in Gaza
6 June 2025
http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyn2m9yk0vo

Israel-backed militia groups potentially threaten new peace plan for Gaza
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/30/israel-backed-militia-groups-potentially-threaten-new-peace-plan-for-gaza
Israeli military has been arming alternatives to Hamas, with up to a dozen new groups emerging

After Israel’s war halted, who is clashing with Hamas in Gaza?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/13/after-israels-war-halted-who-is-clashing-with-hamas-in-gaza

[Still Israel]

'Fighting a war on two fronts': Behind the rise of a new threat in Gaza
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/hamas-influence-is-waning-in-gaza-palestinians-fear-armed-gangs-more/nz8wiwgfy

>>Israel denies it is fuelling the widespread hunger in Gaza, which a UN-backed group says meets famine conditions in some parts, describing it as "a Hamas-orchestrated starvation campaign".<<

Really?

More narrative construction than news in some of this presstitute rot.

I think anyone with half a brain can see what's going on here.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 October 2025 1:28:35 PM
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Trump swears again...

Says "Maduro doesn't want to f-- around with the United States"

http://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1979353111035609500
>>The utterly deranged 'report' about how Maduro went to the US and promised to give them all their oil and minerals and cut off all ties with Russia, China and Iran and embrace and love Israel is solely sourced to anonymous US officials which is code for the CIA, and has been laundered in the NYT, CNN, AP, Reuters, Economist. Trump himself has now also repeated it.<<

The entire Western media and political class is united in the most insane deranged pathetic psy op propaganda campaign to try to foment a color revolution.

http://www.instagram.com/reel/DPoIESlDE9j/
It's Maria Machado, who pledges alliegence to Israel and support for the war in Gaza.
Peace prize my ass.

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/controversy-erupts-over-nobel-peace-prize-for-venezuela-s-maria-corina-machado/3714657

Maduro wants to be a part of BRICS

Venezuela's BRICS Membership Is A Reality: Maduro
http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2025/01/28/3246783/venezuela-s-brics-membership-is-a-reality-maduro

I used to say 90% of the news was propaganda.
I think its getting even worse now.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 October 2025 2:04:23 PM
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Dear Critic,

You are a spoiled brat!

You live in a peaceful country, tucked away safely from Islamic tyranny, nobody tells you what to wear or think or whether and how to pray, and you also seem keen not to allow Islamic oppressors into this country.

Yet when it comes to people elsewhere, Gazans that is, you don't care one iota for them and are happy for them to be ruled by the Hamas terrorist gang forever.

After 2 years of Hamas weakening, some of the Gazan population finally see a ray of hope. Previously if they were suspected of saying anything bad about Hamas, they were shot in the knees and if these suspicions were confirmed they were thrown off the roofs of tall buildings. Finally they see some hope, of living a normal life, like yourself in Australia.

So what if Israel happens to help them with arms - I too would do the same if I could, most decent people would. Israel could never help the Gazan people to uprise against their oppressors if they didn't want to themselves. Israel may be in the wrong on many other counts, but not on this one.

You were complaining about Israel shooting innocent Gazans - well let me tell you, had I been as gravely unfortunate to be born in Gaza, then I would be more than glad to be shot dead by an Israeli bullet than to live under Hamas tyranny. I would have dropped flowers from heaven on the heads of the Israeli soldiers that shot me.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 19 October 2025 2:32:57 PM
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Hi AC,

Weren't Venezuelan's the wealthiest people in South America when companies from Great Satan America were there? How then did they become the basket case of South America when Chavez chucked out the evil capitalists and brought in the miracle of socialism?

Aren't Bricks countries supposed to have greater economic growth than western nations, much like the Soviet Union used to have until they stopped making up their numbers? Doesn't it stand to reason that if Venezuela ditched the wicked west and joined its Bricks brothers it should be more prosperous? It all seems rather odd.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 19 October 2025 2:48:44 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

I don't support sanctions or overthrows
People can wrap it up as 'bringing democracy' but to me it's foreign interference, and that's NOT self determination.
I've been saying it for years.
I don't support underhanded means or actions.

"After 2 years of Hamas weakening, some of the Gazan population finally see a ray of hope."
"So what if Israel happens to help them with arms - I too would do the same if I could, most decent people would."

No,I don't accept this.
Bomb them non-stop for 2 years, probably some 400k people killed all told, dead under the rubble included and you want to present Israel as the saviour? No.

And arming Hamas opponents and releasing them like attack dogs after you claimed to have made some kind of peace is deceitful.
i don't support underhanded things like this.
That is the reason for all the neverending conflict.

You point the finger at the Palestinians Hamas problem,
Just as easy to look at the Israeli settler problem.

And don't forget the leadership problem.
And the whole nations attitude problem.

http://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1979662411516072200
http://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1979762923997417699
http://x.com/OunkaOnX/status/1979609077752741949
http://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1979750024004198904

Israel said Hamas was looting aid — then it armed the gangs who were actually stealing it
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-14/gaza-aid-looting-gangs-yasser-abu-shabab-israel-netanyahu-hamas/105501926

CNN Host FORCED TO APOLOGIZE For Telling The Truth About Israel!
http://youtu.be/TZLdjb8j570
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 19 October 2025 8:02:38 PM
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Dear Critic,

«I don't support sanctions or overthrows»

Well I do. Evil must be overthrown.

These innocent people in Gaza, notwithstanding having been bombarded and starved, etc. over the last 2 years, are being persecuted by an evil organisation that wants to kill them and their families.

Helping them has nothing to do with Israel's crazy Messianic ambitions, it is simply a humanitarian action and the right thing to do.

«People can wrap it up as 'bringing democracy' but to me it's foreign interference, and that's NOT self determination.»

But I never spoke here about democracy or self determination - this is about saving lives, and indeed allowing the poor Gazans in question a measure of self determination!

I have no problem with "foreign interference" - Australia itself should have done the same. It did so with ISIS and Hamas is no different.

«Bomb them non-stop for 2 years, probably some 400k people killed all told, dead under the rubble included and you want to present Israel as the saviour? No.»

Nothing to do with Israel or whatever else it did - arming these helpless people so they can defend themselves is a good deed, like every boy-scout should perform at least once a day.

«And arming Hamas opponents and releasing them like attack dogs after you claimed to have made some kind of peace is deceitful.»

Even if arming them was covert, saving innocent lives justifies it.
This is not about "opponents", but about innocent people who would otherwise be executed by an evil regime. It is not "releasing" either - those Gazan families are free to do as they like with the weapons they received.

«That is the reason for all the neverending conflict.»

Yes, I suppose, if you allow these innocent people to be slaughtered then there may no longer be a conflict.

«You point the finger at the Palestinians Hamas problem,
Just as easy to look at the Israeli settler problem.»

And I will indeed also support Australia dropping arms to the native West-Bank villagers so they can defend themselves too from those atrocious settlers.

[continued...]
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 19 October 2025 11:27:33 PM
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