According to author Stephen Daisley: ‘Do Palestinians want Hamas gone?’ (Spectator Australia 2/10/25) in May the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research asked Palestinians who they would vote for in a Palestinian Legislative Council election.

43% said Hamas, 15 points clear of their nearest rival.

Palestinians were also asked if they supported the disarmament of Hamas in order to stop Israeli military action in Gaza.

85% of respondents in the West Bank said NO.
65% of respondents in Gaza said NO.

Despite what the naive two-staters in countries like Australia think, Daisley suggests that peace and coexistence with Israel are “minority pursuits” in Palestinian society.

Despite Donald Trump's confidence, Daisley has his doubts that Americans will have the stamina, or the interest, to go get to the end of another of many attempts at peace in the Middle East. But, he thinks it might be an opportunity for Israel to step back, still defending themselves, but leaving it to Trump's “transitional” authority to see how it handles terrorism and extremism better than they have all these years, copping abuse and criticism all the while. Israel will be out of Gaza, and the critics will lose antisemitism from their armoury

It has a chance as long as Trump isn't be fooled by Hamas as he was by Putin. If Hamas is allowed to string things out without serious consequences, the peace deal will fail.

100 to 1

«Palestinians were also asked if they supported the disarmament of Hamas in order to stop Israeli military action in Gaza.

85% of respondents in the West Bank said NO.
65% of respondents in Gaza said NO.»

Great victory for Netanyahu - he must have opened a new bottle of champagne (courtesy of James Packer) when he heard of these "beautiful" results that give him a life-line of many more years of more enemies, more haters and more wars, which he worked really hard to earn!

I think that it will take a miracle to fix something that has been going on since 1948, and has worsened since Western politicians have wimped out.

But, instances have occurred in the past that some people describe as miracles.

Donald Trump should accept full marks for the plan - and step back. There are people better suited to try to implement it. Besides, he could be dead before anything happens. He is 79 years old.

He can rightly brag about the wars he stopped in his first term; but he is not producing now. Some might say he ain't what he used to be. Something that all elderly people have to come to terms with eventually.

What odds?

Better listen to those who put their money on it:

The ratio of the Australian dollar to the Israeli Shekel fell today all the way down to 2.15654 (presently 2.16807).

Before October 7th 2023, this ratio was hovering around 2.45, then when the war started, it peaked at 2.60415. Since then, every time there was a cease-fire or a good chance thereof, this ratio fell, but never reached down to today's levels since. It also fell from around 2.30 to around 2.20 following Israel's attack of Iran's nuclear facilities. The only time in the last 20+ years when this ratio fell below today's (to 2.0819) was for about a week in March 2020 when Australia closed its borders.

I tend to believe those speculators who now invest their money buying Israeli Shekels, that this time the hostages will indeed finally be released.

Now seriously, why listen to (or watch) the news when a quick glance at the currency chart can reveal everything so much quicker!?

No matter what, the world cannot, and should not, stand idly by and let the Zionist-Nazi's murder innocent men, women and children. In the latest "ceasefire" just yesterday, the Zionist-Nazi's murdered 85 innocent civilians in Gaza.

BTW; Who is this "expert" Stephen Daisley? Never heard of him, maybe I don't read enough of the right wing diatribe The Spectator!

Hamas even offered to return the hostages, but Netanyahu stands in the way of peace.
He can't be trusted, look what happened in Lebanon with Nasrallah, Haniyeh in Iran and the attack on Qatar, every time Netanyahu tries to assassinate the negotiating team.
He doesn't want any deal.

http://www.youtube.com/live/b28JrBj8CrI

Hamas does not worry about their soldiers or civilians being killed
because the Koran tells them that they are martyrs for Allah and they
are immediately in Paradise with their 75 virgins.
Why do you think they are so keen to be suicide bombers ?
It also points out why they promise to do it again & again & again.
A peace agreement is pointless, no solution possible.
Deleting the Islamists will stop the 1400 year old Jihad.
That sounds like genocide doesn't it ?
It has been going on for 1400 years and the latest place is Africa
where they are killing by the thousands.
So what is the solution for those frightened of what happens to be the
only obvious solution ?

On the very day the of second anniversary of the conflict, we have people more interested in their ongoing hatred of Israel than they are in peace. Their extreme ideology and hatred isolates them from reality and the normal, decent feelings of reasonable people. They appear to be bereft of any humanity. Its amazing that they think that they are good people.

I don't care about Israelis grief on October 7 anymore.
I was shocked and upset at the time, but now I don't care.
Every other day of the year is October 7 for Israels victims of genocide.
I've seen too many dead women and kids and stories and footage of Israels ongoing atrocities.

The war didn't start on October 7.
When people are living under occupation, there will always be resistance, and that resistance has been lead by many names in Palestine. Remember the PLO, remember Fatah. It's Netanyahu that funded Hamas to the tune of over a billion dollars through Qatar to make sure their was division in Palestinian camps and to undermine the 2 state solution.

Never forget October 7th 2023, that fateful day when Israelis were brutally massacred by Israeli tanks and Israeli helicopters and Israeli drones and Israeli soldiers and Israeli bullets, and also by Hamas a bit.

Ex-Israeli war chief confirms issuing Hannibal Directive to kill own civilians, soldiers on 7 Oct
http://thecradle.co/articles-id/28788
'Israeli forces used attack helicopters, drones, and tanks to kill their own civilians and soldiers while blaming the deaths on Hamas.'

Col. Wilkerson, Richard Wolff & Michael Hudson: Iran War Is Now IMMINENT: The Point of No Return - Annihilate Israel.
http://youtu.be/2g66AIIE4MU?t=817

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak admits that Netanyahu deliberately funded (over US$1.4 billion) and helped create Hamas
http://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1769067512610553950

I was shocked and upset at the time, but now I don't care.
Armchair Critic,
Yeah, right !

Hi AC,

The Israeli people are just as much the victims of the Zionist-Nazi's as were the German people the victims of the German-Nazi's. The parallels to what the German-Nazi's did in Europe to the Jews in the name of the German people, and what is happening in Gaza today is startling. Target the children, murder the children, as they are the future generation, the generation that will seek revenge for the atrocities we commit today. The Hamas leadership and foot soldiers that took part in October 7th 2023, were the children of a past generation of Palestinians that had suffered the brutality of Zionism. They were seeking revenge, justified NO, understandable YES.

Indyvidual

Let them go. Let them rant and rave. Their souls are as shrivelled as their brains.

Hi Indy,
'I was shocked and upset at the time, but now I don't care.'
- Yes, there was this image of 3 Israeli women at a bus stop, all dressed up nicely for Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) all dead, stacked on top of each other, and it kind of shocked and disturbed me for a day or so, and then the images if Israels response started coming thru.. I saw a dozen 14 story apartments dropped in the space of a minute, and the pictures of dead women and kids, which has continued every day since.

You all seem to forget I'm no friend of Islam.
But I'm not going to support a belligerent Israel and U.S. when they started all these wars in the M/E over the last 30 years (and elsewhere) that gave the west its influx of immigrants.
I'm no friend of Israel either.

But I do place a value on human life and I won't support what Israel does.
End's justifies the means is a terrorist mentality.
I may not be a friend of Islam but I have no will to displace or enrage them.

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.
Where do you think all the immigrants came from?

Afghanis, Palestinians, where do you think they all came from?
Remember when Aussies used to think Kiwi's and Poms were bad, and they give us this and tell us were racist an unaustralian for not being down with multiculturalism.

Like Go take a selfie with an African brandishing a machete, go get a selfie with Muslims blocking streets for prayers.
Love it, or you're racist, and a heretic.

Our country has become a toilet, for U.S. and Israeli wars.
They go in do what they want, and our purpose is to deal with the shite at the end of it like a septic tank.
Eat up all they lies and BS they spoonfeed us without question.

People are so switched off they think the hate is one sided.
'The Israelis are all good, kind, loving well meaning people.
The Palestinians are born evil, they are Amalek and God commands us to destroy them.'

Pffft, what a crock of shite.
People complain about the abc, but fill their minds with crap from Sky Channel.
'The Israeli's are the most moral army in the world, they would never do anything to deliberately harm innocents, they take every care to prevent harm because they value human life'.

Meanwhile I'm seeing kids shot in the head with their brains spattered all over the place, T-shirts that say 'One shot, two kills' with pregnant Palestinian women, apartment building full of people flattened, doctors, nurses and medical staff targeted, kids having amputations without anesthetic. People being deprived of food, water and medicine and journalists trying to report on it assassinated along with their families. Don't forget the Israeli raping and looting.

Seriously, systemic attacks on Gaza's health system with none of the 36 hospitals left intact, who does that?
- Israel, that's who.

http://x.com/AryJeay/status/1849943216528712072
WATCH: The brother of an Israeli soldier, Shuva'el Ben Natan, killed by the resistance said during his brother’s funeral:
"You entered Gaza to take revenge [to kill] as many women, children as you saw, this is what you wanted!"
No difference between Israel & ISIS.

NSW Premier Minns has rightly described as a celebration of terrorism the Hizb-ut-Tahir display put on in Sydney to cheer Hamas's October 7 atrocities.

HUT is a proscribed terrorist organisation even in the weak UK, but also in Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia.

But, in Oz, anything goes, including the thug Sheik Ibrahim Dadoun publicly screeching his pleasure two years ago, in Australia, at the time the atrocity was perpetrated - and getting away with it.

This piece of human garbage was still yelling at last night's celebration of ‘Glory to our Martyrs’. This is the sort of evil creature that Israel is trying to make peace with; still carrying on about Israel's “genocide”, an accusation that has never been put to the test by the two UN courts capable of doing so.

Even the lunatics Albanese and Wong have never accused Israel of genocide.

Decent Australians should be cringing at the sh.thole their country has become. But, perhaps not. Perhaps decent Australians are now sufficiently suppressed by the Albanese government and multicultural foreigners, who are still pouring in, getting hugs from Tony Burke at the airport.

"Let them go. Let them rant and rave. Their souls are as shrivelled as their brains."

You act like Oct 7 should be a day of remembrance...

When Netanyahu funded Hamas
When they strangely allowed the border fence to be breached on a significant historical war anniversary
When they ignored warnings from neighbouring countries and their own IDF
When they took 7 hours to respond
When they used the Hannibal doctrine to kill hundreds of Israelis themselves
When they lied about mass rapes and beheaded babies
When the Palestinians are under occupation and get a free pass to rise up against their oppressors under international law.
When the mob you support gave us 30 years of M/E war and Islamic immigration

You say my brain is shriveled, but you side with genociders whilst claiming a morally righteous Christian position, that sides with everything Jesus opposed from the people who nailed him to a cross.

It didn't start on October 7

Mowing the grass

Mowing the grass is a metaphor used to describe periodic Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip to manage the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. During such attacks, Israel targeted Palestinian militants, Palestinian civilians, and the civilian infrastructure of the Gaza Strip.

The strategy is usually carried out by conducting short, sharp military operations to maintain a certain level of control over the area without committing to a long-term political solution, similar to how one would mow a lawn to keep it neat and tidy.

The term was coined by Efraim Inbar and Eitan Shamir, two columnists for The Jerusalem Post and strategic studies researchers.

According to Adam Taylor in The Washington Post, "the phrase implies the Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip and their supply of crude but effective homemade weapons are like weeds that need to be cut back."

Naftali Bennett referred to the idea in a speech in 2018 when he said "He who does not mow the grass, the grass mows him".

No one can dispute it is a total mess.
The Israelis have been forced to accept that this current war is not
the first or the last.
As long as Islam requires that all the non Islamic lands must be
conquered then it will continue.
They make no secret of it, in fact the Ayatollahs in Iran call rallies
to call for Death to America, Death to Israel.
Hamas is just the latest name being used.
It really does not matter it will go on for another 1000 years.
It is possible that it can only be stopped by killing all moslems
everywhere. That would just be a copy of Islam's policy.
Now I read that there is a possibility that Iran might obtain nukes
from Nth Korea as did Pakistan.
Bloody depressing isn't it !

The only thing Australia - that really has no influence globally - can do is realise that we don't have a dog in the fight, and stop tolerating Palestinian supporters/Israel-haters here. Charge them with incitement, deport them and/or lock up any of them who are citizens, and throw away the key.

The claim that Israel is also fighting for the West is largely bullsh.t because the West, including Australia, is deliberately importing the Islamic trash into their countries, along with the other Third World riff-raff they are replacing us with for the use of our evil, corrupt politicians.

In the meantime, Donald Trump has advised Hamas to lay down their arms ‘or die’. Despite all the good intentions, and talk of peace, the total extinction of Hamas and everyone like them, is the only way Israel will ever see peace. Hamas and company act like wild animals and should be treated as such.

It would be nice to see a peace deal, then some attention might go to Australia's natural heritage facing genocide at the hands of net zero terrorists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohhh9PPIk5U

We keep getting told there is rampant famine, genocide, mass infant deaths, all hospitals on their last legs etc etc.

If any of that was the slightest bit true, then the Gazans would be overjoyed at a peace deal no matter the terms. Hamas would be running (not slow walking) to lay down their arms, surrender and get some relief from the famine/genocide for their people.

But no. they are slow walking the peace process. Still trying to negotiate a partial peace they can call victory which would allow them to gear up for another 7/10 in a year or three.

The famine is BS. People on the brink of starvation don't negotiate terms.
The genocide is BS.
The Gazan desire for peace is BS.
Hamas's concern for their human shields is BS.

Its all hype - antisemitic hype.

Dear Paul,

I appreciate your kind and true statement that «The Israeli people are just as much the victims of the Zionist-Nazi's as were the German people the victims of the German-Nazi's.»

This is what "Zionism" disgracefully came to be in our times, but I would like to throw in a bit of an historical perspective because that's not what Zionism used to be.

Zionism used to be a vibrant positive movement, which sought to change and lighten up the lives of oppressed people, from being merchants, bankers, dealers, brokers and the like, and hated for that, or alternately unproductive pale scholars who sat on hard benches all day studying Torah and never seeing any sunlight, into farmers who work and produce in the great outdoors, getting their hands dirty with real mud.

Zionism sought to free people from the stifling control of clerics (Rabbis).

Zionism used to be inclusive, embrace and incorporate all other people on the land as equals, whatever be their race or religion. The only ones the original Zionists eradicated from their land, which they stole, were malaria-carrying mosquitoes which made large swaths of the land uninhabitable for humans.

Unlike in both the lands Zionists came from and the land they arrived at, Zionism treated men and women completely equally.

In today's terminology, some century ago, one could therefore describe Zionism as "Progressive".

And that is quite what the native Muslim clerics hated most,
they didn't want their authority challenged,
they didn't want their women emancipated,
and so they, from the 1920's on, incited their mobs to attack and lynch the Zionists.

That was Zionism's first incarnation.

In its second incarnation, Zionism in Israel became a synonym for good citizenship: you help an old lady to cross the road; you help your friends in their homework; you visit the sick; you donate to the poor; you give way on the road... then you are a Zionist, and this is why most Israelis would still define themselves as Zionists!

The despicable Zionist-Nazi's you speak of are a third incarnation of the word "Zionist" and indeed very different.

Well said, mhaze. Who do you think is organising all the marches in western countries? Iranian backed terrorists? China is virulently antisemitic, so it might help too. Meanwhile the protestors show no interest in murders like these, good humanitarians that they are. Oh, and no need to be reminded about Ukraine either as the news is always chock full of reports on that conflict.

https://www.opendoors.org.au/frontline-faith/mozambique-beheadings-and-thousands-displaced/

Dear Critic,

The 7th of October 2023 was not Yom Kippur, but another Jewish festival called "Simchat Torah", 12 days later. Not that it matters much, but it indicates the low level of scrutiny of the information you bring us here.

«they started all these wars in the M/E over the last 30 years (and elsewhere) that gave the west its influx of immigrants.»
«Our country has become a toilet, for U.S. and Israeli wars.»

So your attitude as if a given land belongs only to your kind of people and others should not be allowed in... is quite what you accuse Israel/Zionism of!

If Palestinians want peace at all, it doesn't include a free Israel. And it has been shown that it's a majority of Palestinians, not just Hamas.

In the meantime, among the Israel/Jew hating vermin in Australia, the vile leader of the vile Greens, Larissa Waters, is a stand out, claiming as she does, that attacks on Jews all over the world are the fault of the Israeli government. Nothing to do with the Islamic berserkers carrying out the attacks.

"Meanwhile the protestors show no interest in murders like these, good humanitarians that they are. "

But sometimes they are good for a laugh, grotesque as it may be. Today St Greta Thunberg posted yet another tweet showing how oh-so virtuous she is. Decrying the horrid treatment of all those poor Gazans. And to prove how badly they were being treated she posted a picture of...wait for it... a Jewish hostage.

http://x.com/MaxNordau/status/1975598065970262095

Facts don't matter to these people. Its all about the feels.

Aw gawd...

Bezza,
"Ayatollahs in Iran call rallies to call for Death to America, Death to Israel."
- I'm not sure they have to be Muslim to hold those criticisms, give the history.
Hamas is just the latest name being used.
- Hamas is Islamic resistance, others, like the PLO may have been more nationalist.

"It really does not matter it will go on for another 1000 years."
The conflict is caused the the establishment of the modern state of Israel, Jews, Muslims and Christians used to live side by side in peace.

ttbn,
'...stop tolerating Palestinian supporters/Israel-haters here. Charge them with incitement, deport them and/or lock up any of them who are citizens, and throw away the key.'

You want me in jail for the rest of my life because of the things I say on an online forum?
What flag do recognise as your own?
The one with the Star of David on it?
Australia IS NOT ISRAEL.
Please explain.

"In the meantime, Donald Trump has advised Hamas to lay down their arms ‘or die’."
- Not going to happen, they won't disarm without Palestine being ruled by Palestinians, and Netanyahu was never going to keep to Trumps deal.

mhaze

"If any of that was the slightest bit true, then the Gazans would be overjoyed at a peace deal no matter the terms. Hamas would be running (not slow walking) to lay down their arms, surrender and get some relief from the famine/genocide for their people."

- We thought we could starve them, and they'd roll over and submit to Israels 80 year war demands for a few doggy biscuits.

How long would I have to starve you till you signed over your house your state, your wife and kids future to me?
Because that's what Israel asks.

"But no. they are slow walking the peace process."
- There is no peace process, only the false hope and false promises of liars who aren't fooling anyone.

Your assumptions are wrong because you lack the ability to put yourself in adversaries shoes, and hear their real concerns.

Who killed who on October 7?

http://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1975467267585679833
This video is ILLEGAL in Israel.
If you share this video you could be sent to prison for 5 years. Seriously.
It shows the TRUTH about October 7th.

Hi Yuyutsu,
"The 7th of October 2023 was not Yom Kippur, but another Jewish festival called "Simchat Torah", 12 days later. Not that it matters much, but it indicates the low level of scrutiny of the information you bring us here."

I was wrong then when I stated this:
"there was this image of 3 Israeli women at a bus stop, all dressed up nicely for Yom Kippur".
I just knew they were well dressed for some special occasion,
I think I got mixed up because of a different fact, where I stated to ttbn:

'When they strangely allowed the border fence to be breached on a significant historical war anniversary'

Yom Kippur War, a war that broke out on October 6, 1973, (more or less) exactly 50 years before the October 7 attack.

Sorry, I thought it was the same day, and same event.

Hey Bezza,
Here's one for you:

http://x.com/mog_russEN/status/1975536136375136498
BREAKING AND UNUSUAL

The Iranian authorities have officially announced the cancellation of mandatory hijab enforcement on women.
Fines or penalties will no longer be imposed on those who do not wear the hijab.
Experts: "The decision came as a result of previous waves of protests and Tehran's desire to avoid inflaming internal society amid tensions with Israel and America."

AC wrote: "Your assumptions are wrong because you lack the ability to put yourself in adversaries shoes, and hear their real concerns."

But I do put myself in their shoes. If I was starving to death. If my people were truly the subject of genocide. If all the kids were dying for lack of hospitals. Then under those circumstances I'd be accepting any peace terms that would end all that. But they don't.

So either the claims about famine/genocide are rubbish OR Hamas doesn't give a fig about the welfare of the Gazans. One or t'other.

But as usual AC wants both to be true. And both to be not true. All of the above/none of the above/some of the above. Whatever he needs at the moment to attack the Joos.

Do you think that Sinwar didn't calculate that Israel would act out the way it has and put its true self on full display of the world?
- That Palestinians would not pay a huge cost in the process?

"If my people were truly the subject of genocide. If all the kids were dying for lack of hospitals. Then under those circumstances I'd be accepting any peace terms that would end all that. But they don't."
- Submission means being dispossessed of their home and everyone is sent packing.

They are starving because Israel denies them food aid.
They have no hospitals because Israel blew them all up.
They are being genocided because Israel murders them en masse.

There is no peace process, there are no negotiations.
Israel assassinates negotiators and leadership.
Israel as well as yourself and people like you expect the Palestinians to kneel in defeat and submit to an Israeli lead authority, that openly calls to exterminate them.

"So either the claims about famine/genocide are rubbish OR Hamas doesn't give a fig about the welfare of the Gazans. One or t'other."
- Why can't both be true?
That there is a famine and genocide and that Hamas does care about the plight of Gazans.

"But as usual AC wants both to be true. And both to be not true. All of the above/none of the above/some of the above. Whatever he needs at the moment to attack the Joos."

You are the one who makes some stupid BS argument and then pronounces yourself victor, and then leads on from your invented bs to fall back on the Jew-hater anti-Semite false argument.

Whether I'm an anti-Semite or not, (I am because you lot say so)

Here's one for you:
Armchair critic,
Makes them less conspicuous among western crowds for sure however, my guess is they're not abandoning their quest though, are they !

AC wrote: "There is no peace process, there are no negotiations."

"I am very proud to announce that Israel and Hamas have both signed off on the first Phase of our Peace Plan. This means that ALL of the Hostages will be released very soon, and Israel will withdraw their Troops to an agreed upon line as the first steps toward a Strong, Durable, and Everlasting Peace. All Parties will be treated fairly! This is a GREAT Day for the Arab and Muslim World, Israel, all surrounding Nations, and the United States of America, and we thank the mediators from Qatar, Egypt, and Turkey, who worked with us to make this Historic and Unprecedented Event happen. BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS!

DONALD J. TRUMP
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"

Seems the odds on Trump's M-E peace plan just went up.

Trumpster,

If that is what The Donald can achieve, then I'm 100% for it, and I'll be the first to say so here; "Good on Donald for achieving peace". BUT it ain't happened yet, the Zionist-Nazi's are still killing innocent men, women and children in Gaza. 85 the other day, including more than 20 children. Oh! that's right, you believe Palestinian babies are terrorist, and terrorists deserve to die!

Whether I'm an anti-Semite or not, (I am because you lot say so)
Same as if I support the Palestinians I get called a 'leftist'
If I object to immigration then I'm considered to be on the 'right'.
How can I be a lefty and righty at the same?
It's your attempt to define me just the same you define me as an anti-semite.

I had this job as a teenager, I must've been 17.
My foreman would sometimes yell out to me
"Hey meathead, get t f over here"

You think I care if other people call me names?
If YOU call me names?
Been called worse, do your best.

But it's NOT anti-Semitic to speak out about what Israel's doing.
You have 150 some countries opposed to it.
But somehow, I'm just being anti-Semitic.

'There's 30 Christians killed in Nigeria every day and if you don't stand against that then your unfairly targeting the Israel Gaza conflict.

I'm sick and tired of all the Pro-Israeli arguments that are all an attempt to deflect, minimise or point the finger elsewhere.

Look at the drivel you come out with.
There are no 'Palestinians'.
There is no 'Genocide'.
People aren't being starved.
Anything to deny, deflect, minimise or attack the person or character of the person saying it.

It's total bs, pathetic, you only make yourselves look like d-heads, discrediting yourselves worse.
Problem is your in the company of a whole lot of other idiots that agree with you.
Private echo chamber.

Meanwhile you have Smotrich talking about it.

Israel minister condemned for saying starvation of millions in Gaza might be ‘justified and moral’
(This article is more than 1 year old)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/08/israel-finance-minister-bezalel-smotrich-gaza-starve-2m-people-comments
'EU, UK and France urge Israel’s government to distance itself from comments by its finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich'

The evidence is everywhere, people doing the 'Charter boat, what charter boat?' thing.
Living in La la land.
The rest of us who don't spend our lives worshiping Jews are scratching our heads thinking 'What a bunch of f-heads'
Sorry but it's time for a reality check hey...

BUT it ain't happened yet,
Paul1405,
why make it look like it would be Trump's fault if it doesn't succeed ? If it fails it's due to people with a mentality like you !

mhaze, you're a Trump groupie.
If Trump farted in your general vicinity, you'd run over just for a chance to breath in his poo vapours, then try and guess what he had for lunch.

I could probably get you to sign anything as well if I had a placed the muzzle of a gun in your mouth and a pen in your hand.
That's not negotiating in good faith.

"I am very proud to announce that Israel and Hamas have both signed off on the first Phase of our Peace Plan"
- Trump said he would annex Greenland and end the Russia / Ukraine war in a day as well, and he damn well knew about the strike in Qatar, taking out Hamas leadership ad negotiating team because he had to make sure US air defense didn't take out the Israeli F-35's.
Good cop, Bad cop.

I think Hamas knows Israel won't keep the deal, they are just agreeing to the hostages to make Israeli's lose their minds when they back away blaming Netanyahu who himself won't keep to any deal and has said as much.

Trump and Netanyahus election runs were both funded by Shelden Adelson.

So far so good. Fingers crossed, pray, whatever it is you do.

More good news.

The NSW court of appeal has moved to prohibit the Opera House Pro-Palestian performance.

Dear Paul,

«BUT it ain't happened yet, the Zionist-Nazi's are still killing innocent men, women and children in Gaza.»

39 minutes ago, it was reported that the IDF was ordered to prepare for withdrawal.

The ratio of the Australian dollar to the Israeli Shekel has now fallen to an unprecedented 2.14 and I believe those who put their money on it.

"You think I care if other people call me names?"

I'm not calling you names. Just putting labels on your attitudes. Let's face it , you've been anti-Israel and anti-Jew for a very long time - all the way back to the Arjay days. Its got nothing to do with their conduct of the war. That's just the latest excuse for your outbursts.

"That's not negotiating in good faith."

Well that was quick. You've gone from "here are no negotiations" to there are negotiations but not the type you like. All in less than a day!!

But these are good faith negotiations. But they aren't negotiations between equals. Hamas comprehensively lost the war and the negotiations are just about the surrender terms.

Netanyahu said at the outset, just after 7/10, that the M-E would look very different by the time the war ended. And boy was he right. Hezzbullah all but gone. Assad skulking around in Moscow. Houthis put in their place. Iran humiliated and now trying to placate their restive people. And now Hamas surrendering. A more comprehensive victory for Israel is hard to imagine

It won't make the slightest difference to most but it should nonetheless be read in full...

http://www.furtherup.net/p/the-lost-boys-and-girls-of-october

We all know that Netanyahu can't survive without war.
(Or some of us anyway)
His religious nut henchmen Smotrich and G'vir will ensure he keeps to no deal,
- And if somehow that doesn't work some crazed settlers will go and burn a Palestinian family alive or try to assassinate Netanyahu
And all the bs will start again.

There are vested interests in Israel that do not want peace.
Palestinians may very well just not want to be ruled over by the Nazis
Hard to know really whilst they lack self determination.

I'm sure the ongoing war is taking a toll on the Gazans.

You watch,
As soon as Israel gets their hostages back,
Netanyahu will come up with some bs to say Palestinians are not observing the ceasefire and go back in.
It will probably be something like - Israel blows something up with airstrikes again like a hospital, and pretend they didn't breach any deal and then when Palestinians do something minor in response, Israel will say Hamas broke the ceasefire and we have to go back in.

So tell me mhaze, Yuyutsu,

Do we have a full unedited cope of the deal we can add to the thread?
That way when the deal is claimed to be broken, we can all see exactly what was agreed upon.

A lot of parts of that peace plan I saw were vague, and probably deliberately so.

Netanyahu has no choice but to try to get the hostages back.
But he's going to end up in prison if there's real peace.

What can he do?
Attack Iran again.

I can't see Hamas handing over their weapons to Israel.
I can't see them willing to be ruled over by anyone other than Palestinians.
I don't see Hamas gaining much more by keeping the hostages either though.
They might have more to gain by giving them up.

Lets see if they give up their guns. doubtful.

On the other side maybe Israel may also be taking a lot of troop losses in Gaza as well.

Dear Critic,

«Yom Kippur War, a war that broke out on October 6, 1973, (more or less) exactly 50 years before the October 7 attack.»

Yom Kippur is on the 10th day of the first month of the Jewish calendar (Tishrey) while Simchat Torah is on the 22nd of Tishrey. Being a lunar calendar, dates rarely match the solar calendar exactly, normally only every 19 years.

«Israel blows something up with airstrikes again like a hospital, and pretend they didn't breach any deal and then when Palestinians do something minor in response, Israel will say Hamas broke the ceasefire and we have to go back in.»

This time Trump holds a big bone in his jaws - Nobel Prize, so he won't let go of it and Netanyahu will just have to obey him like a small poodle in front of a German shepherd.

«Netanyahu has no choice but to try to get the hostages back.
But he's going to end up in prison if there's real peace.

What can he do?
Attack Iran again.»

Well, he can also get a heart attack, or commit suicide, or receive amnesty from Israel's president and/or asylum in the U.S.A.

Oh, and there are still plenty of other countries to attack... for example, how about Australia?

Thinking of it again, does a country need to actually exist for him to declare a war on (and therefore a state of emergency and suspension of elections)?

The peace won't last because of the belief that moslems MUST kill Jews
and Christians.
Anyone who would trade on the bodies of the dead like Hamas has done
really is not part of this world.
I think most people think there will be peace for a year, even two
but sooner or later it will start up again with a different name.
If Nth Korea does supply Iran or its successor with nuclear weapons
then I think the US, Britain and France will finish the Middle East for good.

Bezza,

As a complete Islamophobia you would say that, yes Muslims have killed Christians and Jews, just as Christians have killed Muslims and Jews (6 million recently) and Jew have killed Christians and Muslims (killing them now, 67,000 in Gaza), killing seems to be the name of the game for these "peace loving" believers in God. In your ignorance, and being totally clueless on Islam, and dare say all religions, you believe the worlds 2 billion Muslims are a homogeneous lot in what they believe, and are "out to get yah"! Of course none of these killings would have anythings to do with economic and social disorder, would they? I'm not a supporter of these crackpot monotheistic religions, with their belief in a non existent God, and the teaching from books that are complete fabrications, prophets that talked absolute garbage. So the "believers" show themselves to be a sandwich short of a picnic, and are starting form a very low base of intelligence. So, all I can say is be careful of anyone who wants to ear-bash you with their religious beliefs, be they Christian, Muslim, Jew or "Calithumpians" for that matter. I worry about the world, outwardly these religious fruitcakes appear to be quite sane, even normal, listen to them for five minutes, and then you realise you are dealing with a raving lunatic! As I said, its a worry!

p/s You seem to be rather nutty, so which particular cult are you following this week?

"If Nth Korea does supply Iran or its successor with nuclear weapons
then I think the US, Britain and France will finish the Middle East for good>"

Don't worry, while the world worries about Iran's nuclear capabilities, Israel who is not only conducting a genocide while the world watches, has been expanding their nuclear site at Dimona.

http://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjmrznh5lg
"Report shows a large new structure at Israel’s Dimona nuclear facility; Experts say it could be a new heavy-water reactor or a nuclear warhead assembly site, though limited information makes its exact purpose unclear."

Mind you, when you have leaders like Netanyahu, Smotrich and G'vir with nukes...
You may as well just hand out nukes to everyone like candy if you let these religious fanatics (Netanyahu excluded) have them.

Bezza,

I agree. Israel has been under seige for three quarters of a century. It has become a way of of life. Occasional respite is all that can be excepted.

There will also be more woe in the West, thanks to sell-out governments like Albanese's, and their maniacal drive to import people who have no intention of assimilating.

The trouble with too many white people is they think the rest want to be like us; that the non-whites envy us; that non-whites couldn't possibly look down on us; that they are grateful to us for letting them stream into our countries.

That's all rubbish, much of it drummed into us by renegade whites who have been harping about 'invasion', 'racism' and all their inventions of the nastiness of being white for generations. The self-hatred is now part of the education curriculum.

There are very bad times ahead. And it's too late to do anything about it. The enemy is inside the gate, and it's our own fault.

Given the terrible things that have occurred related to Israel, if the clock could be turned back, I don't think the state of Israel would exist.

I've finally found something I can almost agree with from The Lovely Pauline Of One Nation, forget the housing problems, forget China, forget the cost of living, World War III, forget all that unimportant stuff, the BIG problem facing Australia, according to The Lovely Pauline is, wait for it, PAPER SHOPPING BAGS! Yes indeed Pauline is launching a One Nation crusade against cheap, always falling apart, paper shopping bags. I do believe Pauline is going to attack the supermarkets at the point of a gun, (forget about their ripoff prices) and force them to replace the inferior paper bags, with one made from solid CAST IRON!

ttbn, thinks The Lovely Pauline would make a great Prime Minister, before the last election he was on here pushing; vote for the crackpot parties like One Nation. They have a great shopping bag policy!

After consulting France on its burqa ban, Pauline Hanson intends to re-introduce her previous attempt to have it banned here: at least full-face coverings, which would see anyone else arrested.

I'm not sure that all that many Muslim women wear masks in Australia, and there's a fair chance she will be rubbished. But it's good to know Pauline on everything Australian seems to have the balls that Albanese, with his squeaky voice, does not.

After that last post, I saw that, apropos of nothing, the idiot Troll dragged up nothing at all relevant about PH.

I have never believed that she is Prime Minister material -she is not - and only a morons like the Troll would think that she is.

One Nation is a useful as tits on a bull. It has had no influence on anything, and is highly unlikely to ever do so. All it does is give disenfranchised conservatives the opportunity of casting a principled first preference before wading through the rubbish they really don't want to put a number against, and wouldn't if they weren't undemocratically forced to.

We need an entirely new party, formed by the conservatives in the Liberal Party and the National Party with, perhaps, One Nation as a junior partner. Plus a more mature electorate, and removal of Third World immigrants.

"After that last post, I saw that, apropos of nothing, the idiot Troll dragged up nothing at all relevant about PH."

I kind of have to agree with Paul, they DO have a great shopping bag policy!

For the most part I refused to buy those paper bags
Woolies used to have these good fabric ones for $1 but I think they've replaced them with others now.

If you must talk about plastic bags: no, they should not be banned. I've used the same ones for years, and the 'compostable' ones are too flimsy. And, try passing on rooted plants - damp to keep them alive - in a paper bag.

The plastic bags in the oceans that the environment tragics carry on about have been proven to come from Asia. Tell the Asians to lift their game.

And. I should not have call that irritating bugger a moron.

I think I might be willing to reassess the situation.
Israeli Cabinet approved the peace deal.

Firstly long term prospects of peace remain at 100:1

But I think the hostage / prisoner swap and ceasefire might go ahead.
But I'm somewhat doubtful it will ever get to Stage 2.

Will Hamas give up their weapons?
Maybe, but only if a Palestinian State is truly on the table.
As in ruled by Palestinians, and safeguarded by an international security force.

I don't see the long term prospects of peace however.

One of the problems is that Netanyahus coalition government will fall apart if they cave to everything Palestinians want and have peace.
Also Netanyah needs war to avoid his criminal cases.
He may be able to form a new government without the religious hardliners Smotrich and G'vir.

Likely Israel will concoct some reason to break the ceasefire at some point, if we get that far.

Whether or not Israel conducts decapitation strikes on Iran again and whether it's successful or not is a factor.

It's even money on another Israeli attack on Iran before Christmas, one which sees Israel destroyed as an Iranian response, and one which may be designed to force U.S. to enter a full scale war with Iran.

Netanyahu can stay in power, keep his coalition government, avoid his legal battles, attack Iran and pull the U.S into that war.
And break the ceasefire and restart conflict against the Palestinians again, after the hostages are taken off the table.

I think the hostages have reached a point where they've become a liability for Hamas now, best to give them up if any progress or agreements can be made re a Palestinian state.

Hi AC,

Will Hamas give up their weapons?
Maybe, but only if a Palestinian State is truly on the table.
As in ruled by Palestinians, and safeguarded by an international security force."

Great point there, true peace can only be achieved when the economic and social problems facing the Palestinian people are addressed. On your question; Will Hamas give up their weapons? No one can gauge for certain the relative strength of Hamas as a complex organisation. Its not like a regular army, it relies on recruitment from extremely dissatisfied young Palestinians, the Zionist-Nazi's have created thousand of them, through their ruthless campaigner in Gaza, you can't destroy a belief with a gun.

I did a Google on "One Nation Middle East Policy", it gave the top result as The Lovely Pauline crusade on paper shopping bags. I'm sure the people in Gaza are upset when they do their weekly shop down at the local Coles or Woolies and paper bags full of groceries rip apart. Besides discarded shopping bags make the streets of Gaza look untidy, and with the the local council promoting a "beautiful streets" campaign, that's just not on.

Ugh, they gave Maria Machado the Nobel peace prize, for 'helping to overthrow the government of Venezuela' on behalf o USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy..

NED Congratulates María Corina Machado on Receiving the Nobel Peace Prize
http://www.ned.org/ned-congratulates-maria-corina-machado-on-receiving-the-nobel-peace-prize/

"A statement from National Endowment for Democracy President and CEO Damon Wilson:

On behalf of the National Endowment for Democracy, we congratulate María Corina Machado on receiving the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize for her tireless work in promoting democratic rights and values in Venezuela and her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition from authoritarianism.

This honor is not only a tribute to her personal courage and her leadership, but also to the broader movement for freedom she represents: the millions of Venezuelans who peacefully mobilized and voted in July 2024 for a democratic transition that the Maduro regime refused to recognize and brutally repressed. Their courage in choosing ballots over violence embodies the spirit of peace and representative democracy that this prize celebrates."

Trump was never going to win the totally meaningless prize, such is the maniacal hatred of him. And, as usual, very few ordinary people will heard of the latest recipient, or why she got it.

Who won the pub meat raffle in Boolamakanka?

The worlds so completely full of shite
Maria Machado has done everything possible to create
[drumroll, wait for it....]

Conflict.
Not peace, conflict.

How many cats and dogs needed to be eaten for this woman to win the prize?

Venezuela food shortages cause some to hunt dogs, cats, pigeons
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/05/18/venezuela-food-shortages-cause-some-hunt-dogs-cats-pigeons/84547888/

What the US does is sanction the crap out of a country to bring it to it's knees, collective punishment, all the while it has its USAID and NED sponsored people stand there pointing the finger, using civil society ad student groups to mobilise opposition and start protests with student groups, forces the government to crack down on these NGO's and protesters, all to show the government in a bad light to force a regime change.

They ferment create discontent by saying, 'regime, illegitimate, dictator, authoritarian' etc, and present themselves the US puppet candidate to be installed, as the person to fix all these problems, THAT THEY THEMSELVES CREATED, when the US government placed sanctions.

They do it everywhere.
Rinse and repeat.

I hear the Nobel committee actually wanted to give it to some NGO in Sudan, but were scared Trump would lash out, so they threw the US a doggie biscuit in awarding their girl Maria Machado instead.

Venezuela is Rubio's pet project.

If you look closely you can see what they do:

Don't deal in Venezuelan gold: White House
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/dont-deal-in-venezuelan-gold-white-house/qq3xsuh57

"The White House has warned traders not to deal in Venezuelan gold or oil following its imposition of stiff sanctions aimed at forcing socialist President Nicolas Maduro from power.

National security adviser John Bolton tweeted that traders should not deal in gold, oil or other commodities "being stolen" from the Venezuelan people, as opponents of Maduro's government worried the government was surreptitiously moving to ship gold reserves abroad.

The White House said President Donald Trump spoke to Venezuela's self-proclaimed interim president, Juan Guaido, by phone on Wednesday, reiterating support for his "fight to regain democracy."

They won't let him sell his nations legitimate resources gold, oil promoting their own illegitimate puppet candidate.
Then accuse him of selling drugs.

You'll see a common theme 'Maduro is stealing from the Venezuelan people'

Treasury Disrupts Corruption Network Stealing From Venezuela’s Food Distribution Program
http://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm741

But who are the real thieves?
Bank of England blocking release of Venezuelan gold, court hears
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/25/uk-high-court-hears-claims-boe-unlawfully-blocks-venezuelan-gold
$1bn gold hoard subject of dispute between Nicolás Maduro and rival Juan Guaidó

"Claims that the Bank of England is unlawfully blocking the release of 31 tonnes of gold valued at nearly $1bn(£805m) and intended to combat the coronavirus in Venezuela have been heard in the high court this week."

UK Supreme Court backs Venezuela’s Guaidó, bringing him closer to $1bn in gold reserves
http://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/21/americas/juan-guaido-uk-supreme-court-gold-ruling-venezuela-intl

US seizes Venezuelan President Maduro's plane
http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2np4xl083o

Democracy is imperialism by disguise.
Look at us, only thing that is ever bipartisan is kneeling before the U.S as an obedient vassal state in their empire.

When you hear government well to-do's scream about democracy.
This is what they are talking about, the misuse of it.
The right to weild it as a weapon against others.

ttbn,
You say Maria Machado is an unknown, but that's not true.
Take a look at this article and the image in it.:

US Regime Change in Venezuela: The Documented Evidence
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2019/01/us-regime-change-in-venezuela.html

Image: Maria Corina Machado, founder of Sumate, an alleged Venezuelan election monitoring group, funded by the US National Endowment for Democracy (NED), meeting with US President George Bush who presided over the failed 2002 coup attempt seeking to oust President Hugo Chavez.

- The US plays the long game with regime changes 'state-sponsored foreign interference', and has no reverse gear.

If anyone wants more info, they can find it here.
http://www.youtube.com/@TheNewAtlas/search?query=venezuela

I've been clear over the years about my position.
I don't support sanctions or overthrows.

Hi AC,

"Look at us, only thing that is ever bipartisan is kneeling before the U.S as an obedient vassal state in their empire."

Vassal states? Like France, Germany, UK, Australia, Japan etc? No, more like Cuba, El Salvador, Belarus etc. The USSR and free west had a long running pissing competition over economic performance. For a time the Soviets underwent a remarkable transformation, prompting supporters to believe that it would not be long before socialism left decadent capitalism in its dust. What happened to the great dream? Now we see the same pissing competition between national socialism (Nazi Russia and Nazi China) and decadent capitalism. Venezuela is just another socialist experiment trying to blame others for its failures. As Venezuela and North Korea have demonstrated, your nation can be endowed with great natural riches, yet socialism can very quickly transform the nation into a feudal system, replete with incredible inequality, destitution and hardship.

Stupidity is doing the same thing when it has failed repeatedly. Venezuela satisfies the definition, although the elite always manage to salt away a bit of loot for themselves.

While sane people will be pleased about the ceasefire (fingers crossed it lasts), what about the Israel-haters? What will they do with themselves?

At the moment they are silent. They have been screaming for a ceasefire for 2 years - but that could have been to stop Israel from defending itself, while their Palestinian/Hamas mates kept harassing Israel with rockets and the odd atrocities against women, children and babies.

Will the crusade against Israel really stop?

How will the weekend lunatics pass the time?

Vassal states? Like France, Germany, UK, Australia, Japan etc?
- Yes, exactly.

Trump-Europe-Ukraine Meeting: Selling Division of Labor and Strategic Sequencing
http://youtu.be/J_4srRdIK4k?si=0crykfn48frYy8Ke

The whole of Europe has been ordered to increase military spending and do Americas foreign policy bidding in Ukraine against Russia.
UK is up to it's eyeballs in that mess

Remember Biden saying he'd blow up Nordstream, Sholtz standing their holding his balls not saying a damn thing.
http://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8

Result?
Total Collapse: German Economy Is DONE, U.S. Forced Into Bailout REVERSAL, Gold $4,000 USD Panic
http://youtu.be/XClY1V7GI_U

Japan holds a trillion in US bonds, I think I heard they need permission to sell them from US.

U.S. Commands Japan To Do The Unthinkable As Bessent’s Debt Auction Faces $22B Buyer Walkout
http://youtu.be/3hOoLStzuiQ

keyword 'commands'

"The USSR and free west had a long running pissing competition over economic performance."

G7 have 10% of the worlds population and their economies are flatlining, some are in recession.
The BRICS nations have over 50% of the worlds population and have an average of 5% growth.

BRICS don't need the West, the West relies on exploitation of the global south, and they have said 'stuff your colonialism and keeping us in poverty for your own benefit'

ttbn,

"At the moment they are silent. They have been screaming for a ceasefire for 2 years - but that could have been to stop Israel from defending itself, while their Palestinian/Hamas mates kept harassing Israel with rockets and the odd atrocities against women, children and babies."

Settlers attacked Palestinians in West Bank this morning.
Not sure this is the story or not or whether this Particular event happened before the ceasefire.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/10/attacks-by-israeli-army-illegal-settlers-injure-36-in-occupied-west-bank
And it's not a genuine peace deal until there's a Palestinian State.

I'm glad the killing of innocents has been reduced, for now.
But it's not an end to the conflict.

I think the info on Israelis attacking Palestinians in the West bank is in the second video.
The first discusses 7 wars in 5 years, as Wilkerson was a part of that administration.

Lawrence Wilkerson: The Path From Forever Wars to Nuclear War
http://youtu.be/1E7pBHYby8w

INTEL Roundtable w/ Johnson & McGovern - Weekly Wrap 10-Oct
http://www.youtube.com/live/odyVuFG00BI
Topics - Nobel to Machado, Gaza Peace Plan.

Quite some rewriting of history here. It seems that the Trump peace efforts have bamboozled people like AC and Paul since Trump the peacemaker doesn't fit with their (mis)understanding of the world. So they've decided to rewrite the facts.

Thus we have AC dreaming of Iran destroying Israel before Christmas!! Wow. Iran who got thoroughly humiliated by the Israeli air force are going to completely reverse the tables with a few months. Quite the fantasy land AC inhabits.

And now there's a thorough rewriting of the history of Venezuela and Maduro. Bottom line is that Venezuela is a basket case because of their failed policies and were already a failing economy before the US started issuing sanction. Equally, the last election was clearly won by the opposition and, now Nobel winner, Machado and was stolen by what is now an illegitimate government. So the US efforts to oust Maduro aren't regime change but regime correction.

Still rewriting history to suit a failed world-view is something that some find comforting.

According to people of knowledge and good repute there is no legal entity called Palestine that can be “recognised” as a state; the international requirements for statehood cannot be met by the area described as Palestine. The requirements have been voiced, and they are readily available for perusal. The likes of Albanese and Starmer should have looked them up before doing their virtue-signalling “recognition”. There is currently nothing to recognise.

Something that is obvious, amongst the uninformed babble, is that although 100 plus countries “recognise” Palestine, Palestine doesn't have full UN membership because of America's veto. Given Trump's shellacking of the ‘recognisers’, that veto is likely to remain.

Given the ongoing problems stemming from the creation of Israel for a small number of people because of their religion, the Holocaust, and the idea that Jews would be safe - and how well it has (not) turned out - why do the same thing again?

Hi AC

"'stuff your colonialism and keeping us in poverty for your own benefit'"

That was the motivation of many Marxist overthrows around the world, and it was based on the claim of exploitation. Now I wouldn't suggest that colonisation was ideal, but it was wonderful in most instances compared to what replaced it, as with Mozambique or Zimbabwe.

"G7 have 10% of the worlds population and their economies are flatlining, some are in recession.
The BRICS nations have over 50% of the worlds population and have an average of 5% growth."

Like RSA or North Korea? Easier to rise from a low base, and I wouldn't rule out bs reporting as happened the last time there was a pissing contest.

Trumpster'

Lying again what did I say; "If that is what The Donald can achieve, then I'm 100% for it, and I'll be the first to say so here; "Good on Donald for achieving peace".
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 9 October 2025 11:37:30 AM

Of course with your extreme hatred of the Palestinians, you even claimed "Palestinian babies were terrorists and deserve to die" What a sicko! While ever there is a Palestinian alive, extremists like you would not want peace.

"We need an entirely new party, formed by the conservatives in the Liberal Party and the National Party with, perhaps, One Nation as a junior partner. Plus a more mature electorate, and removal of Third World immigrants." With ttbn in the vanguard! ha, ha.

In 2019 this bloke was extolling the virtues of The Corny Banana Conservative Party. Even said he had made a donation, probably came out of his fortnightly aged welfare payment. What happened, the Corny Banana Party spent the dosh, jet setting to 5 star hotels, and scoffing down "lobster and champagne dinners", while the old bloke stayed home and had cold baked beans on toast! After the election and with the Banana party scoring less than half a percent of the popular vote, the old bloke spent his time here "crying in his beer" about the terrible rip-off and failure of conservatism in Australia, that he had suffered at the hands of The Australian Conservative Party, which promptly folded, the old blokes dosh gone for ever. NOW he wants a repeat, as the saying goes; "There's no fool, like an old fool".

"you even claimed "Palestinian babies were terrorists and deserve to die"

Well even though you put it in "quotes" I never said anything of the sort. Not even close. Which tells us more about your projection than you concern for the truth.

As with most things Paul writes about, if the facts aren't what you want them to be, just make up new 'facts'.

There are lots of ways to piss off the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd. This is one of the best....

Recent Nobel prize winner, Venezuela's true leader Maria Corina Machado, dedicated the prize to the "suffering people of Venezuela and to President Trump".

The Nobel Peace prize winner is an admirer of Donald Trump, and more or less hinted that should have got the prize.

Troll 1405 is still talking like a 12 year old, now having to dig up something from 6 years ago. The tripe could even be something he has cut and wasted from his drivel at that time: Cory Bernardi; a single donation I made (unlike his ongoing dues to the Green Communists); crying in beer that I don't drink, as teetotaller.

And, I wasn't aware that I had “suffered at the hands of the Australian Conservative Party”, which has never existed. I had to look it up. The one-man ‘party’ was called ‘Australian Conservatives’. And I don't recall suffering from that, either.

As for wanting a “repeat”, I don't know if Bernardi still exists. He had a couple of goes on SkyNews, then disappeared. He is as relevant to politics as Troll 1405 is to sensible thinking. As for the ‘old fools’ Troll is always talking about, he has to be well into his 70's himself, and his wild, repetitive posts suggest senile dementia.

Trumpster,

Anyone who can bring a genuine peace to the world is welcomed by me, even your man Trump. Another of your folk heroes Benito Mussolini, claimed at one time he was trying to broker a peace deal between the Allies and Hitler, another one of your folk heroes. So there is hope for The Donald after all. MAN UP and withdraw your lie about me.

ttbn,

"Crying in your beer" is an idiom that means to feel sorry for yourself or to wallow in self-pity, especially after something bad has happened, like a breakup or a setback. It describes someone dwelling on their sorrows, often alone, and can also imply complaining in a maudlin or self-pitying way." That is YOU to a tee.

Old Fart, not necessary in age, some one with an archaic view of the world, totally regressive, negative, slow minded. dimwitted, belligerent, out of touch. Do I need to go on, that's YOU to a tee

Machado’s praise was strategic, not spiritual - before we all get too excited.

Her movement survives on US leverage against Maduro, and Trump’s administration was the one that provided it. Aligning herself with him costs nothing inside Venezuela but buys her credibility with Washington and with the global populist-right network that includes Milei, Bolsonaro and Bukele. By flattering Trump, she secures oxygen, donors and headlines. It’s smart politics, but it’s hardly proof of moral kinship.

Praising the man with the power to keep your cause alive is self-preservation, not worship.

You can’t:

- refuse to govern for half the country,
- declare half the country to be an "enemy within,"
- terrorise your own citizens with a masked modern-day Gestapo,
- and plan to filter social media, selfies and SMS messages for people expressing negative sentiment towards ICE,

then expect to win a Nobel Prize. Trump should be happy that even got a strategic mention.

Meanwhile, mhaze and ttbn, who shriek about Labor's alleged attempts at censorship, remain silent while Trump hands literal surveillance powers to a militarised agency with a daily arrest quota and a licence for warrantless search. If censorship is tyranny when Labor drafts a bill, what do we call a government that builds an AI to monitor "negative sentiment" about itself?

At some point the double standard stops being political and starts being moral.

If you can shrug off that level of repression while crowing about a Nobel shout-out, then your principles aren’t about free speech at all. They’re about tribal loyalty.

Paul,

Yes. You keep saying that.

Seriously. Have you had GPCOG with your doctor recently, or at all?

Nothing to be ashamed of. Any loss of cognitive ability, if caught early enough, can be dealt with. The mind wears out like other parts of you as you age; particularly if you drink alcohol.

ttbn,

"Crying in your beer" is a well known idiom, not to be taken literally, but it would seem you are not familiar with that. If you had progressed past the third grade, you would have known that, education is the key even if the Old Farts are against it.

"The mind wears out like other parts of you as you age; particularly if you drink alcohol." I would agree, you being old octogenarian, or have you advanced to the stage of a nonagenarian. Regardless whether you're octo or nona I can see by your incessant forum posts of drivel, you being the number one poster, age can cause senility, and boy have you got it bad. Thankfully Nursey restricts you to a bedtime cup of coco, no booze down at the Shady Pines Retirement Home for Old Farts.

As for your medical opinions, are you qualified? Or is it something you picked up while scrubbing toilets in you days of employment, no matter how limited it was.

p/s Speaking of wearing out, have you had anything drop off lately?

Did any of you pick up that news item about the five members of the
British parliament that made a request to the government to declare
war on Israel ?
Interestingly they all had Islamic names.
Why does the phrase "Straws in the Wind" come to mind ?

"Interestingly they all had Islamic names."
'Change the people = Change the government'

"Machado’s praise was strategic, not spiritual - before we all get too excited."

Yeah I know. Only people on the left are sincere </sarc>

JD demonstrates that he hasn't the faintest understanding of the tasks, duties and powers of ICE. Not powers that Trump gave them but powers that were long dormant because the previous regime refused to deal with illegal, often criminal, immigrants.

"what do we call a government that builds an AI to monitor "negative sentiment" about itself?"

Obama's third term aka the Bush Regime.

Bezza,

The Brits have brought it on themselves via weak, unwise immigration. The same thing will happen here; we already see its beginnings from a Pakistani woman in the Senate.

“The wicked become worse when they are tolerated”. (Tolstoy)

Paul 1405,

You are too far gone to recognise help when it's offered. You are burdened by hatred, and the need to lash out at anything you don't understand, which is most things. I feel sorry for the people who have to deal with you in real life. I can just ignore you. They can't.

Sincerity isn’t the issue, mhaze, strategy is.

//Yeah I know. Only people on the left are sincere </sarc>//

When a politician dependent on US leverage flatters the man who controls that leverage, it’s not devotion, it’s diplomacy. You’d call it "realpolitik" if it came from anyone else.

//JD demonstrates that he hasn't the faintest understanding of the tasks, duties and powers of ICE.//

I understand them perfectly.

ICE’s founding powers came from 2003 under Bush, yes - but what’s happening now isn’t "reactivation." It’s expansion: $115 billion in new funding, 10,000 additional masked agents, a 3,000-arrests-per-day quota, spyware, facial-recognition contracts, and a call for civilian contractors to monitor social media for "negative sentiment toward the agency itself."

That’s not immigration enforcement, that’s domestic surveillance. A Reagan-appointed judge compared their tactics to the Klan for a reason, noting that the masks only purpose could be to frighten the public into quiescence.

//Obama's third term aka the Bush Regime.//

Nice try, but neither Bush nor Obama built real-time sentiment-tracking AIs, authorised warrantless spyware on encrypted apps, or set up civilian data-profiling teams for protestors. Those contracts were issued this year, under Trump’s One Big Beautiful Budget Bill - not "Obama’s third term."

If you have to rewrite history that recently to defend him, maybe you’re starting to prove my point about "negative sentiment" being the new crime.

My points stand.

There are a few other subtle differences between Bush and Obama’s use of ICE compared with Trumps, mhaze.

Neither ever declared that those on the "wrong" side of politics were "the enemy within." Bush used that language for terrorism after 9/11, not for Democrats, journalists, or civil servants. Obama went the opposite direction entirely, insisting that there were no red states or blue states. He faced bitter opposition, but he never portrayed conservatives as traitors to be hunted down.

Trump has crossed that line repeatedly, and now his government acts on it. He has literally sent ICE into Democratic-run cities to dramatise "lawlessness," using televised raids to brand those areas as havens for criminals. Bush’s ICE did visa enforcement; Obama’s focused on violent offenders; Trump’s ICE is a stage prop for culture war - weaponised for partisan theatre.

No previous administration used a federal agency to demonise entire electorates for voting the "wrong" way, or to intimidate critics through mass surveillance. That’s the difference between law enforcement and political enforcement.

Bush and Obama built ICE as a flawed but recognisable bureaucracy. Trump has turned it into a tool of domestic propaganda - and, increasingly, repression.

So when people insist "every president did it," they’re not offering context. They’re laundering the difference between imperfect democracy and creeping authoritarianism.

Getting back to Gaza, it'll be interesting to see how keen Trump is to continue work there given that a Nobel Prize is no longer on the cards. If he does continue, it will only be so that he can show to America that they need him to resolved the chaos he's caused in the first place.

"You’d call it "realpolitik" if it came from anyone else."

Yes it realpolitik. But that doesn't mean its not true and the speaker sincere.

As to ICE. They have a mammoth task in reversing the 10-20million illegal alien invasion permitted under the previous cabal. You might not like it but most USians support it and its getting done. Can't help but notice you revert to the Nazi slurs (Gestapo, really?) whenever you can't find a valid argument. Again shows you understand neither the actions of ICE or what the Gestapo was used for.

"Obama's third term aka the Bush Regime."

Misspoke there. Meant... "Obama's third term aka the Biden Regime."

Hi mhaze,

"Thus we have AC dreaming of Iran destroying Israel before Christmas!! Wow. Iran who got thoroughly humiliated by the Israeli air force are going to completely reverse the tables with a few months. Quite the fantasy land AC inhabits."
- I don't dream of Iran destroying Israel by Christmas, I don't support the harm of non-combatants, I'd prefer diplomacy, dialogue and compromise over conflict, and a genuine resolution of the conflict.

But I won't lie there is a part of me that would probably say
'Eat shite, reap what you sow Israel' if it did.
(But I don't really want innocent people harmed)

"Iran who got thoroughly humiliated by the Israeli air force"
- I read the events differetly.
Israel, after attempting a decapitation strike to take out IRGC commanders as well as Khamenei ad Pezeshkian, but failed to take out the latter and Iran quickly replaced IRGC commanders and regrouped, launching drone and missile strikes the likes of which Israel has never seen... Israel soon found itself getting smacked across the face like it never has before, and the Israeli people were losing their minds after a week of so of facing less than that which they had been dishing out in Gaza, soon found themselves short on air defense interceptors.
U.S. had to accept a direct strike on the worlds largest military base without responding, to put an end to the mess Israel had created and Trump had been talked into.

"Wow"
- Wow what?

[Cont.]
"Bottom line is that Venezuela is a basket case because of their failed policies and were already a failing economy before the US started issuing sanction."
The U.S. has been trying to have it's way in that place since Hugo Chavez and probably longer, and it needn't be that way for them, and U.S. sought to take action that would make things worse.

Liberal democracy is weaponised with liberal intervention.
"Equally, the last election was clearly won by the opposition and, now Nobel winner, Machado and was stolen by what is now an illegitimate government. So the US efforts to oust Maduro aren't regime change but regime correction."
Machado should've been disqualified from running, what she does equates to foreign interference, while aligning herself with a foreign nations interests.

"There are lots of ways to piss off the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd. This is one of the best...."
- You and ttbn might've done better if you had've pointed out she is also aligned with Israel and promised to move the Venezuelan Embassy to Jerusalem. Foreign agent X 2.

As for some of the recent Gaza comments.
I'd like to remind you all of UN Chapter 1 Article 1-2

http://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-1

'To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;'

Re Venezuela: Liberal interventionism and the right to self determination aren't exactly cut from the same piece of cloth.
I oppose sanctions and overthrows.

Sincerity isn't the issue, mhaze.

//Yes it [is] realpolitik. But that doesn't mean it's not true and the speaker sincere.//

Survival is.

When praise aligns perfectly with self-preservation, sincerity becomes irrelevant. You're the one trying to frame it as ideological validation - I'm simply reminding you that diplomacy doesn't require shared beliefs, just shared interests.

That's what realpolitik is.

//They [ICE] have a mammoth task in reversing the 10-20 million illegal alien invasion permitted under the previous cabal.//

There's no credible evidence of a 20 million figure - not even under Trump. Most estimates (Pew, Cato, Migration Policy Institute) still sit around 10-11 million - including long-settled, tax-paying, non-criminal residents. Using militarised raids and warrantless surveillance to target them is not "law enforcement." It's political theatre - aimed not just at immigrants, but at the cities that welcome them.

//You might not like it but most USians support it and it's getting done.//

Not anymore. I suggest you update your knowledge there.

Either way, public support doesn't sanctify government overreach. History is full of regimes that did horrific things with majority approval. And ironically, a lot of Americans supported ICE less under Trump than before - precisely because of the masked raids, the family separations, and the shift from immigration control to domestic intimidation.

//Can't help but notice you revert to the Nazi slurs (Gestapo, really?) whenever you can't find a valid argument.//

Except it wasn't just me. It was a Reagan-appointed judge who made the Gestapo comparison - precisely because of ICE's masked officers and intimidation tactics. If you want to argue with a US District Court, be my guest. But don't pretend I pulled the term out of thin air.

(I was waiting for you to go there.)

//Meant... 'Obama's third term aka the Biden Regime.'//

Noted. But Biden hasn't greenlit any of the ICE surveillance contracts I cited. Those were signed under Trump, funded in his 2025 budget, and quietly expanded just weeks ago.

This is your guy, mhaze, not "Obama 3.0."

Hi AC,

I was reading your comments and reflected on Germany and renewable energy. I'm toying with the notion that the renewable energy transition is nothing more than a planned economy, which would explain why it has been a monumental disaster.

You have the idea of Venezuela being the victim of a conspiracy, but the following commentary also explains how central planning played a part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufj5R7Eiu88

Australia's renewable energy transition is a planned economy, although I wouldn't rule out Chinese influence to maintain sales of turbines and solar panels. The disaster is unfolding and worsening.

And here I was concerned that I was drifting too far off topic.

Fester,

The video you linked is about Soviet-style command economies, not energy markets in democratic nations. That has nothing to do with Australia’s renewable energy transition - or Germany’s, for that matter.

If anything, the video undermines your argument.

Why? Because Australia’s energy transition is driven by markets, competition, and technology, not Gosplan-style mandates. Solar and wind adoption in Australia exploded because consumers and companies saw the cost advantage, not because government commissars drew up a five-year plan.

The same goes for Germany - whatever policy flaws you might find, they weren’t caused by a lack of price signals or suppression of private enterprise. In fact, Germany’s Energiewende had market mechanisms like feed-in tariffs and grid auctions.

You’re applying 1950s critiques of Marxism to 21st century mixed economies. That’s ideological shoehorning.

Your use of the word "planned" is doing all the heavy lifting here. But all major infrastructure transitions involve some planning - roads, broadband, electricity - and that doesn’t make them "communist." There’s a difference between central coordination and central control. Australia still has competitive energy markets, private ownership, price discovery, and investor-driven deployment.

That’s capitalism, not collectivism.

As for Venezuela... the video never mentions it, nor does it describe conspiracies or foreign sabotage. So your claim that it "explains how central planning played a part in Venezuela’s collapse" is just free-association, not something grounded in the video’s content.

And even if Venezuela’s problems were partly due to centralisation (which no one denies), that still wouldn’t justify drawing a line from Australia’s rooftop solar to Chavez.

You're trying to lump all examples of government involvement into one undifferentiated blob called "planning" - and from there, argue they're all doomed to fail. That’s a category error. Government coordination isn’t communism. Markets with guardrails aren’t Marxism. And renewables backed by private capital aren’t planned economies.

If you’re going to cite Hayek or Mises, at least apply them correctly.

John,

You well demonstrate why many western economies are heading toward an economic train wreck with a planned economy style renewable energy transition. What is history other than an interesting story if you don't learn from it? That is the tragedy of your thinking.

Hi AC,

I also found this video of an interview with a Venezuelan who lived through the Chavez era, the guy once hailed as the hero of socialism who would show the world how to do it properly. (Spoiler alert: he didn't.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR1ggTYPsYs

Hi Fester,
I'm not against doing things that are better for the environment, I support them, but I don't believe in cutting our noses off to spite our faces.
You don't blow up the coal plants until the new technology is efficient and already in place.

Years ago I wondered how we make the country more competitive.
Do we attack the worker and lower the wages? (not popular)
Or do we find a way to lower energy and transportation costs?
When the price of energy goes up, so does everything in a supply chain, so for me, I want cheap energy in abundance, not high priced rations to please the energy conscious.

People that leave piss in a toilet to save water by flushing annoys me.
That's going to far, and the greenies can keep their stupid crickets and mealworms I'm not eating that crap.
They can go and eat cockroaches for all I care.

When it comes to rolling blackouts and poor planning.
My theory there is I'll tip diesel on car tyres and burn them, if that's what it means to keep the lights on and not go back to the stoneage.
Beyond that, I support doing things that are better for the environment.

I think they should put all the second-hand solar panels that still produce power out onto a big solar farm so we can maximise the power they produce in their lifespan.

There's plenty of things we could do, if we were inclined to do so.

And as for Maria Machado...
That Nobel prize wasn't given for past accomplishments anymore than it was given in order to try and help influence future events.

"Sincerity isn't the issue, mhaze."

Oh well...if you say so!! But you'll appreciate I just think your trying to find a way to sooth the hurt after she praised the person I call Trump and you call whatever derogative is to hand.

"There's no credible evidence of a 20 million figure"

That's why I said 10-20 million. There's no credible evidence for any number in particular. Biden opened the borders and they rushed in, uncounted and unvetted. All we know is that however many millions there were in January this year, there are around 2.5 million less now.

"Not anymore. I suggest you update your knowledge there."

Harvard/Harris poll October 1. "78% support deporting undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes; 56% support deporting all undocumented immigrants."

Happy to help you update your knowledge there.

"Except it wasn't just me. It was a Reagan-appointed judge who made the Gestapo comparison"

Oh so someone else made the vial assertion and that means its ok if you do it too?

Trump hasn't instituted any new laws for ICE. He's just using the ones that were there before but ignored by Biden et al for base political purposes. Yes he found more money and more people but that's only because the problem is so much worse.

Hi AC,

Cheap energy. That is a must have if you want a good standard of living. As for what you pay people, I agree with a minimum wage, welfare and a public health system, but I think "worker" has such broad definition that it has little meaning.

Further on the subject of bricks nations, I was watching a blog on agriculture in RSA. More farmland per capita than Europeans, yet many are hungry and starving. Why do we hear of starving Gazans daily, yet hear nothing of RSA's incompetence. No Jews, no news.

No hurt here, mhaze.

//...I just think your trying to find a way to sooth the hurt after she praised [Trump].//

I’m pointing out the obvious for context: that praise from someone dependent on US leverage isn’t evidence of shared ideology. If Milei praised Xi to secure soybean trade, you’d dismiss it as transactional.

//That's why I said 10-20 million. There's no credible evidence for any number in particular.//

That’s not how numbers work.

When every credible estimate converges around 10-11 million, adding another 9 million as speculative padding isn’t nuance - it’s inflation. You’re just laundering internet folklore into a rhetorical range.

//Biden opened the borders and they rushed in, uncounted and unvetted.//

Except they are counted - via Border Patrol encounters, asylum applications, and immigration court backlogs. And the border was never "open."

//...there are around 2.5 million less now.//

That's not what the data shows. Border apprehensions =/= net population change. And "2.5 million less" undocumented immigrants this year? You’re mixing up enforcement stats and residency estimates.

//Harvard/Harris poll October 1...//

So, support for deporting criminals is sky-high, support for deporting all undocumented immigrants barely clears 50% - even in a partisan-tilted poll. Hardly a blank cheque for ICE overreach.

//Oh so someone else made the vial [sic] assertion and that means its ok if you do it too?//

Yes - when it’s a federal judge issuing a formal opinion on civil rights grounds, that comparison carries legal and moral weight. The comparison was apt. Vile is making a Wessel of Kirk, then delivering a speech mimicking Goebbels' at the funeral.

//Trump hasn't instituted any new laws for ICE.//

Laws aren’t the issue, tactics and scale are. Authoritarian regimes rarely need new laws, they just reinterpret old ones, ramp up funding, weaponise staffing, and shift intent from justice to fear.

And you keep ignoring that Trump’s ICE now includes:

- Masked agents raiding sanctuary cities
- AI filtering of social media and selfies for protest sentiment
- Civilian contractors running data-dossiers
- A daily 3,000-person arrest quota
- Surveillance tools funded in his 2025 budget, not Obama’s

Hi Fester,
Maybe it's not just because they are starving, but because they're being starved deliberately. Jews own a disproportionate amount of media, as well as VIP status with the U.S. politicaians, as well as this war affecting / atrracting the attention of Jews, Muslims and Christians, so not entirely surprising it gets all the attention. Watching bombs drop on apartment buildings and seeing injured kids certainly gets peoples attention.

I do agree with you though that some issues get no attention,
I'm not opposed to there being an 'unbiased list' of all the worlds problems.

"If Milei praised Xi to secure soybean trade, you’d dismiss it as transactional."

Except he wouldn't do that because it'd be insincere. <grin>

"When every credible estimate converges around 10-11 million"

Every?
Pew Research Center - 14 million
Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) - 15.4million
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) - 18million
Migration Policy Institute (MPI) / Center for Migration Studies - 14million

Every? Oh I get it. If they don't agree with you they aren't credible.

Every?

"That's not what the data shows."
Every piece of data?

the 2.5 million figure includes voluntary departures - people getting out before they're kicked out. This was part of Trump's policy since those people can now apply to come back legally whereas those deported can't. So Trump encouraged people to self-deport and its working beautifully - not that you'd acknowledge that.

"support for deporting all undocumented immigrants barely clears 50%"

So when I said most USians support the policy and you said I was wrong, you had a different meaning to the word 'most'? Most people would say over 50% is more than most but as with the Queen of Hearts the word means whatever you need it to mean just now.

"partisan-tilted poll."

Oh another example of the data being not credible if it doesn't tell you what you want to hear!! Well perhaps you need to "update your knowledge" by looking at the latest NYT poll. I'll leave you to do that - can't be bothered. But since it'll tell you things you don't want to be true, its probably not credible, n'est pas?

"Masked agents raiding sanctuary cities"

Well that's where the illegals are. Or is that tooooo logical for you. They could always go raiding in places like Martha's Vineyard but since they already got rid of their illegals, it's be futile

Hi AC,

"Maybe it's not just because they are starving, but because they're being starved deliberately."

In the case of RSA, the hunger is because of the appropriation of land claimed to have been "stolen" by white farmers (Marxism in action). That appropriated land, much of it very fertile, is now on average 1/400th as productive as farmland in Holland. I think that the status of South Africans and Palestinians is more the result of a mindset than because of others. I wonder how skinny the Israeli hostages might be when they are freed?

"Watching bombs drop on apartment buildings and seeing injured kids certainly gets peoples attention."

Yes, playing the victim has been practiced for a few generations. Lots of Israeli women and kids would have died too if the IDF soldiers had fought like Hamas.

That’s the whole point, mhaze.

//Except he wouldn't do that because it'd be insincere. <grin>//

You assume your guy’s allies are always sincere and your enemies’ allies are always fake. But in realpolitik, sincerity isn’t the currency - leverage is.

//Every? Pew: 14 million. CIS: 15.4m. FAIR: 18m. MPI/CMS: 14m.//

This confirms my point.

Even your highest figures are still far from your original 20 million, and CIS and FAIR are hardline anti-immigration groups. FAIR was literally designated a hate group by the SPLC due to white nationalist ties. So yes, credible sources matter.

//The 2.5 million figure includes voluntary departures...//

So it’s not that there are fewer undocumented immigrants, it’s that some may have left before being deported. That doesn’t support your earlier claim that "millions less now" proves Trump’s success. If anything, it shows how fear - not policy - is driving exits. You can’t deport people who self-deport out of terror.

//So when I said most USians support the policy...//

But the Harvard/Harris poll didn’t ask about facial-recognition AI, masked raids, or surveillance of ICE critics. Support for deporting criminals isn’t carte blanche for domestic surveillance.

//Partisan-tilted poll.//

Harvard/Harris is run by Mark Penn, Hillary Clinton’s old pollster turned Trump-adjacent Fox News pundit. It’s notorious for loaded questions and "odd" sampling. But thanks for citing it - it still showed only 56% support for full deportation.

//Well perhaps you need to "update your knowledge" by looking at the latest NYT poll...//

I’m happy to - because the latest NYT/Siena poll shows Trump leading Biden on immigration perception, not policy detail. Public perception is shaped by fearmongering, not facts. That’s the tragedy of your own argument.

//Well that’s where the illegals are.//

Sanctuary cities cooperate with federal law on violent crimes but refuse to let local police become ICE deputies. That’s a legal, constitutional choice under federalism. Sending in masked agents anyway is intimidation - not logic.

If "rounding them up where they live" justifies covert surveillance of dissenters, AI facial recognition, and civilian profiling, then your logic extends beyond immigration - it’s authoritarianism dressed as border control.

"Lots of Israeli women and kids would have died too if the IDF soldiers had fought like Hamas."

Really, that's what you think?
How many Israeli women did Palestinians shoot dead for no reason yesterday?
Do you not realise that you're a victim of total bs?
I bet if Palestinians did this yesterday (link below) it would be the end of the ceasefire right?
You've got to ask yourself why did they do this during the ceasefire?
They don't care, maybe they want to provoke them.

http://x.com/ahmedabd_gaza/status/1977162312613327107

"On October 11, 2025, 28-year-old Palestinian teacher Aisha al-Ramhi was shot and killed by Israeli border police near a checkpoint in Shuafat, East Jerusalem. Police reported she advanced with a 15-centimeter knife, posing an immediate threat, while eyewitnesses and Palestinian officials maintain she was unarmed and returning home from work. The incident, captured in a viral video, has intensified scrutiny over the use of force at checkpoints amid escalating West Bank tensions, with over 200 Palestinian deaths reported there this year by the UN."

Some people think in terms of 'terrorists' 'animals' 'amalek'
I think in terms of someones wife, daughter or mother.

Maybe people think I can't hold 2 different positions at the same time, like for example, I really don't want our country overrun with Islamists like the UK, that's one position.
But that doesn't equate to me supporting IDF killing innocent people.
That's another.

I'm no friend of Islam, but do I have to be, to find this reprehensible

If Israelis can murder innocent women like this, endlessly without any recourse, like this woman's life was completely worthless, like that of a cockroach, then TELL ME WHY ANY OF THE ISRAELIS ON OCTOBER 7 SHOULD EVER BE MOURNED.

They're not just numbers or statistics, they're human beings, and mostly women and kids.

I tell you what if this woman was the love of someones life...

You think a peaceful man would not be driven psychotic with nothing but revenge on their mind and little to lose?
What if the kids are dead too?

How many Israelis do you think a man might be willing to take out to avenge the love of his life and his children?
How many would need to die to avenge a senseless killing of the one person in the world you love more than all others?
Just the one who did it, or 100 or 1000, because THEY ALL DID IT.

I'll leave that question up to each of you men who has ever loved a woman.

How many more videos like this would you like to see?
All the real gory ones get taken down pretty quickly.

I really hope someone compiled all of the horrible damn footage into a full length documentary movie, so the world never forgets what was done here, but alas, the world barely even knows the level of atrocities already.

Israel murdered the journalists as well.

Now let me get this straight. You say "every credible estimate converges around 10-11 million". I show you a bunch that have much higher figure.
And you think that confirms you point. Struth what a dill.

"So it’s not that there are fewer undocumented immigrants, it’s that some may have left before being deported. "

What? That doesn't make the slightest sense and shows how desperate you are to salvage a failed assertion. If they left, then there's fewer of them. Is logic tooooo hard for you to follow?

"Harvard/Harris poll didn’t ask about facial-recognition AI, masked raids, or surveillance of ICE critics. Support for deporting criminals isn’t carte blanche for domestic surveillance."

Well I didn't say it did. But go ahead and try to change the subject now that you realise you've painted yourself into yet another corner.

"because the latest NYT/Siena poll shows Trump leading Biden on immigration perception"

So you didn't check the poll. Good idea. Wouldn't want to see something that made you look even more foolish. FYI the most recent NYT/Sienna poll showed 54% support deporting all illegals.

You really should quit while you're behind.

Hi AC,

"Really, that's what you think?
How many Israeli women did Palestinians shoot dead for no reason yesterday?"

Well look at it this way: Just say there was a report on a Russian atrocity in Ukraine, say a bombing of a hospital, school, railway station, people sheltering in a theatre, a family in a car etc. How would you explain that? You might say that the Ukrainians killed their own to make Russia look bad (as with the civilian slaughter in Buchar), or you might suggest that the target was full of Ukrainian soldiers who were cleared away before the filming started. So why the different treatment for Israel? Wouldn't the deaths of women and kids be more likely as Hamas fight with their women and kids about them?

I try to be consistent.

Not quite, mhaze.

//You say 'every credible estimate converges around 10-11 million'. I show you a bunch that have much higher figure. And you think that confirms you point.//

You listed four sources. Three cluster between 14-15.4 million. Only one claims 18. None say 20. All count differently, some including expired visas or extrapolating beyond census data. That’s not convergence toward your "10-20 million" claim - it’s drift, not confirmation.

The credible middle - Pew, MPI, CMS, and DHS itself - sits around 10-11 million, especially for long-term undocumented residents. You just moved the goalposts from "nobody knows" to "here’s a handful of higher estimates" and called it checkmate.

//If they left, then there's fewer of them.//

Yes, but your original claim suggested Trump’s policies actively deported them. I pointed out that many self-deported, and that distinction matters. Fear-based flight isn’t policy success. It’s the absence of due process, and proof that ICE’s shift from law enforcement to intimidation worked too well.

You follow now?

//But go ahead and try to change the subject...//

You brought up support for deportation. I pointed out the poll you cited didn’t ask about ICE’s surveillance powers, masked raids, or sentiment-tracking AIs. That’s not changing the subject. It’s clarifying that support for one tactic doesn’t equal support for all.

//So you didn't check the poll...//

I did check it. You're right that 54% said yes to that specific question. But just as before, that doesn’t mean they support ICE's methods, surveillance programs, or military-style raids. Nor does it mean mass deportation is feasible, affordable, or moral.

If all you're proving is that bare majorities support harsh-sounding policies when asked in isolation, that’s not news. It's been that way for decades. It still doesn’t excuse masked raids on cities with legal sanctuary policies or warrantless surveillance of critics.

//You really should quit while you're behind.//

That line might sting more if you weren’t backing an administration that wants to monitor people’s selfies for "negative sentiment," and refers to half the population as "the enemy within."

I'm fine staying behind if it means not applauding that.

Hi Fester

'as with the civilian slaughter in Bucha'
- Yes that's true, and same as the Mariupol Drama Theatre incident which was attributed to a Russian airstrike.
- Both of those WERE false flag attacks.

'or you might suggest that the target was full of Ukrainian soldiers who were cleared away before the filming started.'
- a military target is a military target but it's against the Geneva convention to place them in civilian areas, or cause excessive civilian casualties, it's the same argument he West selectively uses for Gaza that Palestinians are used as human shields.
- Yet if you look at the level of damage in Gaza, you can't argue there was Hamas in every single building when it's flattened everything.
How much civilian casualties are deemed acceptable?
U.S. has certainly done so in large numbers.
For me, well I'm glad I don't have to make that call because I simply don't support the deliberate harm of non combatants.

Other explanations you didn't mention in Ukraine, relates to large quantities of drones, missiles and interceptors to take them down, sometimes 2 interceptors are fired at a single drone or missile to ensure a high success rate, if the target hits, all this debris falls somewhere, including when the interceptors don't hit their targets.

If a Ukrainian interceptor inadvertently falls from the sky and lands on a residential building, then it was a 'Russian missile, and it was a deliberate attack'.

And the difference between Russia and Israel, is that Israel deliberately targets civilians, doctors, nurses, first responders, journalists, women, kids etc.

Add to that, Israels real goal is to drive out or kill all the people in Gaza and the West Bank and expand it's territory.

http://ukraine.ohchr.org/en/Ukraine-s-Civilians-Face-Daily-Death-and-Injury-Amid-Intense-Attacks-UN-Human-Rights-Monitors-Say

"Kyiv, 10 October 2025 – At least 214 civilians were killed and almost 1,000 injured across Ukraine in September 2025, marking another devastating month, particularly for communities along the frontline who remained at the epicenter of harm, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine..."

7 civilians per day across a 1200 klm line of contact.
Compare that to Gaza.

This is the last on this ridiculous subthread. You have this childish view that the last person to talk wins and so you keep coming up with utter rubbish just to avoid admitting you got it wrong.

All I said was that the number was between 10-20 million. You haven't found a single fact, NOT A SINGLE FACT, to show that's wrong. And so you start trying to redefine what I said and what you said before you realised how stupid your original comments were. Its as though I say that Australian men are between 5'6" and 6'6" tall and you say no they're all around 5'7" and then when I prove that the average is around 6' you claim that proves your point!! !!. And then to hide your error you start talking about shoe sizes.

Same with the question of how many people have left the US. I said there were 2.5million less illegals now as compared to when Trump came in. You haven't found a single fact, NOT A SINGLE FACT, to show that's wrong. and so you start trying to say that the people who left voluntarily don't count... or something. Why don't they count? Who knows. Certainly not you. But you need to make that stupid claim to square the circle.

And then I say that most USians support the removal of illegals and you dispute it. Then when I prove it, you start trying to change the subject to claim that most don't support some of the tactics used to get the illegals out. And that might be true, but isn't at all what I originally said.

Its the stupidest of patterns. I make a point. You don't want it to be true and say its wrong. I prove its right and then you try to save some face by redefining the original point.

Not playing.

You are quite the disappointment. When you first joined I thought I'd found a worthy counterpoint. But alas the last two threads have been a mess for you.

Allowing people to have 'last say' is usually the only way to shut them up.

A Peace Plan for a Demographic that has no concept of peace ?

mhaze,

You’ve misread me three times:

1. I didn’t deny people were leaving - I clarified how, because that affects your "ICE is getting it done" claim.

2. I didn’t say the number is exactly 10-11 million - I said credible estimates converge there. FAIR and CIS don’t shift that, unless you treat partisan spin as data.

3. I didn’t dispute that some Americans support deportation - I questioned how far that support extends, especially regarding ICE’s methods.

Correcting a misframed point isn’t "goalpost shifting." It’s accuracy. If that’s a threat to your argument, maybe the argument isn’t sound.

Now, you’ve announced you’re leaving the thread - but only after tossing a final volley of misquotes, flattening distinctions, and casting yourself as the disappointed adult in the room.

That’s not disengagement. That’s performance - trying to shut the door while holding a megaphone.

You’ve framed any reply as desperation, misrepresented what was actually said, and projected your own tactics (like redefining and inflating) onto me. That’s not debate. It’s narrative control.

You’re free to leave. Just don’t pretend it’s because you "won." You’re leaving because details stopped working in your favour.

On your way now - but don't pretend you're leaving with any dignity, given your unwavering support for someone doing their best to trash a democracy.

Bye bye.

"Fear-based flight isn’t policy success. It’s the absence of due process, and proof that ICE’s shift from law enforcement to intimidation worked too well."

You might be right, but how much due process should a non citizen get?
Should someone who gets into a canoe and rows themselves to Australia, and turfs their passport over the side on the way, suddenly enjoy indefinite taxpayer funds thrown a them?
Look at what we spent on Nauru with private US contractors. (non-aus workforce seems a bit suss)

"You brought up support for deportation. I pointed out the poll you cited didn’t ask about ICE’s surveillance powers, masked raids, or sentiment-tracking AIs. That’s not changing the subject. It’s clarifying that support for one tactic doesn’t equal support for all."

- I think the surveillance issue is a double edged sword.
If government don't do some surveillance and the undocumented commit a serious crime, say murder, then questions are asked why the government wasn't doing anything, on the other side, people will be upset about the surveillance.

Masked raids, sometimes they seem a bit too much, but what if some disgruntled group from in El Salvador decide to target the ICE employees families, I guess you have to protect your own from hostile foreigners.

Live sentiment tracking AI, should we expect anything else, given the time and place we find ourselves at? I expect both sides will engage in it, the thing about technology is that once 'we can' someone else argues it's bad not to take advantage of such tools.

'We want to make sure we are connected to the hearts and minds of our constituents' they'll say.

[Cont.]
"Nor does it mean mass deportation is feasible, affordable, or moral."
Card carrying citizens get the final say on whether you can stay or you have to go. 'slike being a guest in someone else home, the person who owns the place and pays the bills gets the final say on who can come and go and stay.

To suggest otherwise removes the existing populace from 'their country'

Applicants don't get a say in the decision making process.

Feasible and affordable are important points, but not the main one.
Is it moral to place existing citizens at risk by crimes of the undocumented, and how much of that can you sweep under the rug, before the real citizenry express their disapproval.

Are 'legal sanctuary policies' really legal if they put existing citizens at risk? And if so, should they be?

"...half the population as 'the enemy within'."
- Both sides do it, it's a democracy downward spiral.
The political landscape has become toxic, and society along with it.

I can't help but notice when I look at all the photos and film coming out of Gaza showing their celebrations at the end of Hamas' war, that you can't find anyone who looks even slightly thin, let alone malnourished.

All the tales that began on 8/10/23 about famine being just around the corner. Yet the only evidence we see of malnourishment is when we see photos of the hostages. (Even sainted Greta couldn't find any Gazans starving so had to slip a picture of a hostage in to try to fake the issue.)

Sure we've seen weak and emaciated kids, but every time, EVERY TIME, its looked into, the kid had some other underlying medical issue that caused the emaciation - nothing to do with lack of food.

Oh and remember how those evil Jews cut of all power to the place. Yet now we see thousands of cell phones, all powered up and recording the event for posterity. It seems power wasn't quite so hard to come by after all. OMG, did they lie??

And you can see video of people walking down streets lined with what looks like rather well stocked shops, open for business.

It was all smoke and mirrors that the usual suspects totally fell for - and will joyously fall for the next time too.

"Hostages to be released by Hamas on Monday will need to be taught how to eat normally again after being starved in captivity, medics said.

Dr Michal Steinman, the chief nursing officer at Beilinson Hospital, said they would have had little to eat in the two years since Hamas launched its Oct 7 2023 attack, triggering the Israel-Hamas war.

“We have to be extremely careful because we are wary of overfeeding,” she said. The hospital is one of four centres in Israel due to receive the 20 hostages believed to still be alive."

I suspect the Gazans won't have that problem. Nor will the prisoners released by Israel.

mhaze,

Despite the memes and surface-level observations, famine in Gaza has been officially confirmed by the WHO and other UN bodies as of August 2025.

Acute malnutrition among children is widespread, with over 12,000 children under 5 now classified as severely affected:

http://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-for-first-time-in-gaza
http://apnews.com/article/gaza-malnutrition-child-wasting-un-study-055f7bc35bdd75bc6e858944645014df
http://www.wfp.org/news/un-agencies-warn-key-food-and-nutrition-indicators-exceed-famine-thresholds-gaza

It doesn’t take much intellectual honesty to realize that some open shops or charged phones in a few areas don’t disprove systemic starvation and infrastructure collapse. You can walk through a street in Kharkiv or Mosul and find a working cafe too - but it doesn’t mean all’s well.

And no - not every emaciated child was "medically ill." That’s a baseless generalisation. Starvation is confirmed via field data, not vibes.

If you want to discuss policy failures, fine. But mocking visible suffering, cherry-picking imagery, and brushing off famine warnings from every major humanitarian agency doesn’t make you the skeptical one.

It makes you the one falling for propaganda.

Lets all not forget that the genocide and atrocities in Palestine were facilitated and paid for by the United States, with their money, their weapons and their diplomatic cover and vetoes in the UNSC.

And no matter what Trump screams,
It's really all just a charade.

19. While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

The Israelis will never allow Palestine to be ruled by Palestinians.

Larry C Johnson & Paul Craig Roberts: Can peace be imposed on Israel? - Russia and China Step In
http://www.youtube.com/live/ip52dsEBJOQ

Well JD, you can believe the claims of those with a vested interest in there being a famine, (and I'm sure you will) but I'll go with neutral bodies who have no such vested interest. Organisations like the Famine Review Committee and many others who have found significant flaws in the methods of calculation used by WHO and other UN bodies.

Oh here's and interesting snippet.... UNRWA Post-Ceasefire Food Stock Assessment - "UNRWA Commissioner-General stated there is "enough food for the entire population of the Gaza Strip for 3 months," thanks to Israeli-facilitated deliveries. This admission, post-ceasefire, implies no ongoing famine, with 170+ aid trucks entering recently and 6,000 more awaiting. Aligns with videos showing Gazans appearing healthy/overweight, contradicting earlier malnutrition claims."

UNRWA, which famously employed some of the terrorists who perpetrated 7/10, before the ceasefire telling us its all doom and gloom. Now a few days later, its all sweetness and light.

"You can walk through a street in Kharkiv or Mosul and find a working cafe too ". If you say so!! Now do Nigeria or Sudan.

"not every emaciated child was "medically ill."
If you say so!!
But every time I saw such a photo or video, and the follow-up, it turned out the problem was quite different to what the activists claimed. There was one famous case where the NYT cropped a photo of an emaciated kid to hide his very plump brother who was also in the shot. But I'll wait for you to show me examples that disprove that

You're an idiot mhaze.

Whats with all these thousands of people killed just lining up for food?
They were out for a social event?
Lines of people holding out metal pots...

They wanted take-away instead of a home cooked meal that night?
Why are they all walking around now with bags of flour or rice?
They've got nothing better to do?
Just topping up the pandemic pantry?

Get em now, half price!
This weekend only!

What are you trying to tell me that Woolworths 40 stores in Gaza never closed during the last 24 months, and they never ran out of a single item?
Just come on in Gazans, load up your trolley with ready to go microwave meals. We've got fresh fruit and veg, pita breads, hot chickens and plenty of halal meats in our deli, no bacon!
Plenty for everyone.

One hint of a possible rolling blackout in the country and the whole supermarkets get cleaned out in 48 hours, toilet paper first.

'We've negotiated a special deal with the Israelis, our stores are non-Hamas certified, so you can take your time getting all your favourite brands, without any fear of being targeted by an air-strike while you shop!'

Next you'll tell me the 24hr Maccas stores in Gaza remained open for the entire past 2 years.
Take advantage our Loose change menu!
Just look for the golden arches.
Free wifi and clean amenities!

You are indeed and idiot, mhaze.

//I’ll go with neutral bodies... like the Famine Review Committee//

The FRC report you’re leaning on didn’t rule out famine - it said famine was “plausible” in Northern Gaza and noted that verification was impossible due to aid blockages and conflict. That’s not exoneration. It’s admission of obstruction.

//UNRWA says there’s enough food for 3 months//

UNRWA’s statement referred to stockpiled aid, not distribution. Aid agencies like WFP and UNICEF have repeatedly warned that food access is still heavily restricted - particularly in northern Gaza. Famine isn’t defined by how much food exists, but by how much people can access.

//Greta used a photo of a hostage//

One activist’s misstep doesn’t negate consistent reporting from MSF, WHO, Save the Children, and WFP - all documenting widespread acute malnutrition. You’re mistaking a bad tweet for a smoking gun.

//Kids were emaciated because of illness, not hunger//

Even if a handful had comorbidities, you’re ignoring population-wide data gathered using standard IPC methods. You’ve cited a single viral case involving a cropped photo. It’s not representative, and it’s not a counter to widespread nutrition surveys.

//Cellphones mean power wasn’t cut//

Phones and towers can run on solar panels or generators. Powering a mobile phone &#8800; maintaining hospitals, desalination, or refrigeration. That’s what the power crisis was about.

//Well-stocked shops//

Even in failed states you’ll find stocked shops - for the few who can afford them. Famine assessments look at population-wide access, not PR footage.

//UN bodies have a vested interest//

Declaring famine forces political consequences - it’s not something UN agencies want to do. If anyone has a vested interest here, it’s those trying to avoid a declaration, not those who make one.

Cherry-picked optics and gotcha anecdotes don’t invalidate months of consistent field data. If you’ve got better evidence than the WHO, IPC, WFP and UNICEF, let’s see it.

Just come on down to the the Gaza Markets.
We have everything, from fresh milk, apples, bananas, berries, oranges, and melons, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, potatoes, and onions.

We also carry tomatoes, cucumbers, bell peppers, and leafy greens like kale and lettuce, and root vegetables like beets and sweet potatoes, all to help you maintain good health and nutrition.

And don't forget to stop by our meat section where you'll find everything you need from beef, lamb, goats, chicken, ducks

- All produced locally, from the lush evergreen pastures of Gaza.

We also have our seafood markets, where you can find everything you need thanks to our well established ports and fishing industry.

Why worry about imported goods?
When we have everything we need right here?

The pending visas for 786 Gazan "refugees" should now not go ahead. And the 3,449 Gazans brought here by the Albanese government since the Oct 7 2023 Hamas/Gazan atrocities against Israel should be returned.

What goes on in the Middle East has never been Australia's problem. Australia's problem is to deal with the antisemitism against our own Jews, that was brought to this country by Albanese's immigrants, increasing alarmingly the relatively minor local antisemitism.

There's a story going around that the Albanese government was snubbed from the peace summit in Egypt.

Did anyone think it was any business of Australia's in the first place!

There were 20 people from Europe, the Middle East, Asia and South America, but not from Australia.

Perhaps Australia's reputation as antisemitic and a backstabber of Israel is well known.

Albanese's claims that Australia contributed to the ceasefire could also be one lie too many.

During the Israel-Palestinian conflict, Australia sank into more global irrelevance than ever.

Oh dear, it seems when you pick apart the fondest held beliefs of the woke/anti-Joo brigade they get rather testy.

It seems they operate on the premise that if you just want it to be true, it is.... no facts required.

"Anti-Joo brigade," mhaze?

That’s not clever, it’s lazy. You didn’t "pick apart" anything. You hand-waved away every point I made, offered no sources of your own, then tried to end on a zinger you clearly hoped would distract from how little you actually addressed.

Nothing in my post was anti-Jewish. Tossing out that slur like a bad stand-up comic bombing his last gig isn’t wit, it’s a confession. You had nothing left.

If your strongest rebuttal is a snide label and a shrug, maybe it’s not me who's running out of steam.

Pleasing to see almost 2,000 hostages released.

Paul1405,
Hostages or criminals ?

Hi Indy, I'm not sure Israel has released the hostages just yet.
http://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1814738633573769386

Indy,

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Many Palestinians held in Israeli prisons were political prisoners. People who had been incarcerated for a very long time without the right to due process, not even having faced an Israeli court, biased as it may have been.

http://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1978107961986703613

'Nobel Peace Prize winner María Corina Machado, a US-funded far-right coup leader, vowed to privatize Venezuela's oil and give it to US corporations.
"We are going to privatize all our industry", she told Donald Trump Jr.
US companies "are going to make a lot of money", she said.'

- Who cares about the Venezuelans right?
It's not their oil, those profits have been earmarked for the United States.
They can go back to eating their cat's and dogs and shut up!

Also Bibi's been bombing Gaza again... Ceasefire broken
(It only matters when the Palestinians break it fyi)

Oh no, this is a disaster.

After the IDF pulled back, Hamas and some other gangs have begun fighting over the spoils of what's left of Gaza. Street battles, public executions.

Struth even Mr FAFO seems to have been killed in the fighting - although to be clear, he's died many times in the past two years and miraculously come back to life. The Lazarus of Pallywood. Who can forget him texting while in his body-bag?

No one knows how many have died at the hands of the various Gazan gangs since the ceasefire, and surprisingly the Gazan Health Dept, so quick to publish death numbers (mostly fictitious) when the Israelis were around, have gone silent. Ditto the western anti-Israel media.

So the killing in Gaza continues and this is truly as disaster. Why a disaster? Because of the 'innocents' dying? Because of the continued 'genocide'? Because people are having access to food interrupted?

No, its a disaster because they can't work out how to blame the Jews.

mhaze,

You really think you're on to something with this "anti-Jew" angle, don't you?

//After the IDF pulled back, Hamas and some other gangs have begun fighting over the spoils of what's left of Gaza.//

Yes, clashes have broken out. But this is not the gotcha you think it is - internal violence after external siege is tragically common. It doesn't erase Israel’s role in creating the conditions for chaos.

//Struth even Mr FAFO seems to have been killed in the fighting... Who can forget him texting while in his body-bag?//

A recycled internet meme used to dismiss civilian casualties. There's no confirmation Deif is dead, and sneering at body bags is juvenile, not insightful.

//No one knows how many have died at the hands of the various Gazan gangs since the ceasefire...//

Correct, figures are murky. But "we don’t know" is not the same as "it’s worse than the Israeli bombardment." Be honest, you don’t care who’s dying unless it’s useful for deflection.

//Gazan Health Dept... have gone silent.//

False.

Gaza’s Health Ministry is still reporting casualties. You’re relying on the assumption that if it’s not trending on your feed, it’s not happening.

//Ditto the western anti-Israel media.//

If "anti-Israel media" includes the UN, Red Cross, Save the Children, and MSF, perhaps your real issue is with factual reporting.

//The killing in Gaza continues and this is truly as disaster... No, its a disaster because they can't work out how to blame the Jews.//

Ah, there it is. The tired slur that any concern for Palestinian suffering is secretly antisemitic. No, it’s about accountability.

Blame lies with those causing harm, whoever they are.

"Yes, clashes have broken out. But this is not the gotcha you think it is - internal violence after external siege is tragically common. It doesn't erase Israel’s role in creating the conditions for chaos." Spot on John, the Trumpster is totally clueless.

In war zones where the social fabric of a society is broken down, and a controlling authority leaves, creating a vacuum as far as law and order is concerned. This has happened many times in the past. At The end of WWII, in German cities as advancing Russians forced the German army to retreat, cities became nightmares for the occupants as law and order broke down.

There were no Palestinian 'hostages'. They were convicted criminals and terrorists. Even The Guardian could only call them "detainees", trying to make Israel look bad.

Israel had no reason to take hostages. Hostages are only taken to get another party to do something they don't want to do. In the case of Hamas/Gaza terrorists taking Israelis hostage, it was a failure. Israel did not do what the terrorists wanted.

"Yes, clashes have broken out. But this is not the gotcha you think it is - internal violence after external siege is tragically common. It doesn't erase Israel’s role in creating the conditions for chaos."
- Hamas are just trying to restore order, and some of the other 13 groups might even be compromised and working for the Israelis.

"Ah, there it is. The tired slur that any concern for Palestinian suffering is secretly antisemitic. No, it’s about accountability."
- It's almost as if that because they don't care about those people, that they can't comprehend anyone else actually caring about them either.

Israel is paying influencers $7,000 per post
http://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers-netanyahu/

Netanyahu Eyes TikTok, X for Influence in US
http://youtu.be/6qWO5WY1pkg

Between the Israel lobby groups, NGO's, political donations, the governments legislation, media owned and social media they're buying and exert influence over, there have significant influence to sell their narrative and agenda.

Some like mhaze buy into it, and he wouldn't be the only one, many people do.
I have family members I speak to often who were raised more Christian than I was, and they seem to have these Pro-Israel entrenched beliefs.
Like they're just not capable of seeing things realistically, and buy into all the pro-Israel narratives like scripture from the bible.

"There were no Palestinian 'hostages'. They were convicted criminals and terrorists. Even The Guardian could only call them "detainees", trying to make Israel look bad."

Well in that case, the Israelis taken on October 7 were just 'detainees' too.

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests
http://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

"Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their use of administrative detention, a form of arbitrary detention, of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank; extended emergency measures that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners; and failed to investigate incidents of torture and death in custody over the past four weeks, Amnesty International said today."

"Over the last month we have witnessed a significant spike in Israel’s use of administrative detention – detention without charge or trial that can be renewed indefinitely – which was already at a 20-year high before the latest escalation in hostilities on 7 October.
- Heba Morayef, Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa"

"The beating to the rest of my body did not stop, at one point he started jumping on my back – three or four times – while yelling ‘die, die you trash’ … in the end before this finally stopped, another officer urinated on my face and body while also yelling at us ‘to die’.
A victim attacked by Israeli settlers and military in East Ramallah"

ttbn:"Israel had no reason to take hostages. Hostages are only taken to get another party to do something they don't want to do. In the case of Hamas/Gaza terrorists taking Israelis hostage, it was a failure. Israel did not do what the terrorists wanted."

Exactly, get off their 'God-given' land.
So Israeli's come to where you live, burn and destroy your olive grove, bulldoze your house, then when you spakk it, they take you to jail, rape and torture you, piss on you and make you sing Israeli songs and hold you indefinely without charge, and if your lucky and they do let you do you're still homeless and they fine you for the settlers legal costs.

So tell me ttbn,

What are you if you are taken from where you live by foreigners who put you in prison and hold without charge and torture you by the same people who are stealing your land?

You're a hostage, something to be made an example of, of what happens if you dare to resist.
That's what.

http://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1814738633573769386

Here are a few examples of some of the lovely Palestinians that Israel freed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBOWdfpi1YA

What are you if you are taken from your land etc etc ?;
A Jew !
Many times over started by the pharaoh and repeated by Nebacanessa,
and others including the Romans and then the Islamists.
This last lot wrote it all into their religion so Allah can justify it.
ps I am sure some who are more educated than I will find error here
but there is a common thread there.

ttbn is wrong again;
"They were convicted criminals and terrorists" the vast majority of Palestinians were detainees, many had been languishing in Israeli jails for years. Pray tell us, in what court of law were they "convicted". Maybe like the Nazi's, you believe the 6 millions Jews sent to the gas chambers were convicted criminals and terrorists.

Already Hamas and other groups are back fighting. Hamas is conducting public executions!

People who deny that the jail birds, some of them lifers, released in the lopsided exchange, should prove that they are right and I am wrong. They have got into the habit of expecting to be believed just because they say so. Ideology is not truth.

And now, by the way, the actions of Hamas, who don't want peace, are affecting Gazans only: those people beloved of the Israel-haters, and the creeps in Australia who are still conducting their loony demonstrations that they can no longer claim are for the ceasefire they claimed it was for, before the actual ceasefire occurred, thanks to President Trump.

These arseholes are now putting great strain on police resources, and are preventing important, everyday police functions, according to one AC.

Any of the arseholes not citizens should be deported NOW, and those who unfortunately are citizens should be arrested and charged under laws that have always been available to the gutless wonders who are supposed to be enforcing them.

Israel limits aid into Gaza in dispute over hostage remains as ceasefire faces test
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/14/israel-limits-aid-keeps-rafah-crossing-closed-dispute-hostage-remains

The genociders are already trying to change and dictate the terms of the deal.
The dead Israelis they want back are under the rubble along with 100K+ Palestinians.

But that's ok, Israel will never live what it's done down.
Global pariah hated by all who value humanity.

The Christians who stand by Israel have to also stand by what Israel's done, so they have no moral standing.
Their bastion of morality is looking more like a satanic death cult right now, they missed a perfect opportunity to portray their religion as kind, caring, loving, forgiving but they turned their back on those things and put another nail into the coffin of their own flawed Jew-centric religion (which is actually supposed to be Jesus-centric)

Won't be long before Israel is starving, slaughtering, displacing, assassinating and torturing them all over again.
But good that the loss of life has been reduced, for now.

Disgrace to the West, democratically supported genocide.

Despite the Israeli ceasefire, Hamas is now conducting reprisals against rival Palestinian clans, and executing them in broad daylight, in front of Gazan audiences. What sort of scum watches such things? The sort that the hearts of the Israel-haters bleed for.

Hamas have not given up their arms because they need them for payback. They are now executing their opponents and civilians.

Hamas is clearly ignoring the pompous poop from Western idiots, including our own government, that Hamas will have no part in the future of Gaza.

“Peace” on paper is one thing; reality is making a joke of it.

I don't care if the Palestinians continue to protest.
We have a right to protest in this country, if Jews can lobby, the Palestinians can protest.
As long as Israel keeps killing Palestinians, imprisoning them without charge or trial, torturing, raping and stealing land, then these people we made citizens can continue to protest.

Contrary to what the ttbn's think, the West and democracy is not about supporting a genocidal apartheid nation with a theocratic and international criminal leaders hell bent on enacting religious war and retribution, they are a disgrace to democracy and the ideals of the West.

Israel = Apartheid nation
God's chosen people = Master race mentality.

That's not what the west is supposed to be about.

I think ttbn's joined the woke right.
I think he might've embraced cancel culture.

Netanyahu made some stupid joke about the 'woke right' or 'woke reich'
He's the one who sees uncensored social media as a threat to Israel and seeks to control what viewers see.

You've gotta laugh at these poor hapless Christian conservative evangelical married-at-the-hip-to-Israel types.

They're bringing their own religion into disrepute siding with genociders, and even embracing cancel culture now.

Supporting democracy, when one side uses immigrants to rig the game.
And by siding with genociders and ensuring no-one ever votes for them, they are throwing away all the other important issues they care about as well, we might as will just crown Tony Albanese 'King Albo' and endorse all his pro-immigrant, pro mardi-gras progressive agendas into the constitution right now, because these fools on the right have thrown the game.

Kind of makes me wonder what would really be in Austrlia's interest long term.
If LNP are out of the game, then would I prefer 'King Albanese' or invasion and takeover by the Chinese?

Do I want Albo's mass immigrants inc. Muslim extremists + African's with machetes + Indian sword carriers also Pro LGBT and transgender toilets, Aussies cant even afford to buy their own homes anymore...

Or rule by the Chinese, if they will have us?

Does it even matter anymore?

“More harm is caused in this world by stupid and incompetent people than by evil people”. (US writer and classical scholar, Robert Greene)

Stupid people think they have all the answers, which they have usually heard from other stupid people.

Fortunately the ramblings of the stupid posters here indicate that they don't have the brains to cause harm to anyone but themselves.

Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turnbull, Morisson, and King Albanese
What a clownshow.

What Odds On Trump's Anything?

Paywalled article in The Australian

‘China v world’: US warns allies may decouple from Beijing
'Washington expects allies to unite against China if Beijing’s new rare earth export controls proceed, a move that America says will choke global supply chains for smartphones to household goods'

Looks like Trumps trade policies are a resounding success.
Someone outta tell this orange faced idiot that we don't wish to decouple from our largest trading partner, losing jobs and food off our own tables nor engage in provocative actions against them.

Do I care about US made products? No.
Do I care about their Jewish owned genocide censored Tik Tok? No.
Do I care about their second hand Virginia class submarines due to be delivered in the year 2150? No.
Do I care about their overpriced and obsolete weapon systems? No.

I don't care about their failing global empire.
The U.S. only respects the use of military force.
You cannot conduct normal diplomacy with them and the outcome will always be conflict.

Reports of torture of Palestinian hostages held in Zionist-Nazi prisons inside Israel, including women, children and old men. Atrocities committed included, rape, sleep and food deprivation, beatings, urinating on prisoners, various forms of torture, even murder. Nothing ever investigated, as those who should investigate were complicit in these war crimes.

The wars not over.
Trumps a chump, or a flat out lying sack of horse manure.

Should Donald Trump be thanked for the Gaza ceasefire and hostage releases?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-15/donald-trump-should-not-be-thanked-for-the-gaza-ceasefire/105887220

"The US may claim the war is over, but Israel's defence minister has already flagged plans to attack Hamas, and Israeli fire and air strikes continue in Gaza."

The political theatre of Donald Trump's Middle East trip masks glaring questions about the peace plan
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-14/donald-trump-motivations-for-gaza-peace-deal-crucial-for-future/105884836

"What is more, what Netanyahu said about the deal when standing beside Trump at the White House — and what he said subsequently in Hebrew — were significantly different.

As Al Jazeera reported at the time, Netanyahu had pledged to accept the plan when standing next to Trump at the White House.

"But a few hours later — and this time speaking in Hebrew rather than English — Netanyahu couched that agreement, telling his domestic audience that he definitely had not agreed to a Palestinian state and the Israeli military would remain in most of Gaza," Al Jazeera wrote."

Netanyahu and Trump are attempting to sell the entire world a steaming pile of BS.

Maduro denounces 'regime change' war after Trump's threat to strike Venezuela
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/oct/15/donald-trump-federal-government-shutdown-redistricting-voting-rights-act-kash-patel-us-politics-live-news-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-68f036238f085ab6fee7090e#block-68f036238f085ab6fee7090e

"Nicolás Maduro, the Venezuelan president, denounced what he called “coups d’etat orchestrated by the CIA” shortly after Donald Trump said he was considering strikes against Venezuelan cartels inside the country.

“No to war in the Caribbean … No to regime change … No to coups d’etat orchestrated by the CIA,” the leftist leader said in an address to a committee set up after Washington deployed warships in the Caribbean for what it said was an anti-drug operation."

HAVENT WE BEEN THROUGH ENOUGH OF THIS BS ALREADY?

Everyone will have their 2 flaming cents worth on the topic when the shite hits the fan and we're faced with the consequences.
How about we face up to the bloody cause of all these messes?

CASE IN QUESTION.

Nov 2013 (Pre-Maidan!): Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine
http://youtu.be/y9hOl8TuBUM

The guy is trying to tell his countrymen the US wants to start a civil war.
12 FECKING YEARS AND A MILLION DEAD UKRAINIANS LATER...
Now the U.S. is blatently trying to pull the same tired wool over your eyes again, selling the same tired bs narratives.

DO YOU IDIOTS THINK THIS IS ENTERTAINMENT?
GO LOOK AT SYRIA, THEY INSTALLED A LEADER OF AL QAEDA.

Death and destruction everywhere.
You think this will be any different?

Give it time, we'll all be talking about this in Venezuela like it's Ukraine or Gaza, and no-one will want to discuss the fecking elephant in the room that's the cause of it.

“Reports of torture of Palestinian hostages held in Zionist-Nazi prisons inside Israel, including women, children and old men”.

I've seen these “reports”, and they all come from Israel-haters. That's why the ‘reporters’ are not named here. But they are all named in the media.

Funny how they are not named by Paul, who is great one for demanding evidence from other people.

He hasn't named them because he knows that he would get a ‘they-would-say that’ response.

As I posted earlier, ‘Stupid people do more harm than evil people’.

Stupid number 1 makes an unsubstantiated claim, and all the other stupids broadcast it without checking.

The US are so dumb.
They scrapped their entire fleet of F14 Tomcats to prevent Iran from getting parts, could've given the whole lot to Ukraine, some 700+ made.

HIMARS FAIL
Great counter offensive FAIL
F-16s FAIL
Stingers, Javelins FAIL
US, British, German tanks FAIL
Air defense FAIL
Western troops in Ukraine FAIL
Oscar Jenkins FAIL

NATO FAIL

If only Ukraine had 10 more 'Oscar Jenkins' they would've won, right?
Shame on that fool for disgracing us.

I'm tired of all this BS already.
The US won't defend us, we'll be expected to lay down our lives for the good of the dying empire

Now Iran has S-35's and some speculate there is an order for Su 57's

Uncle Sam is trying to pick fights in the nursing home.
Wake the f-ck up Australia, it's not going to end well...

China's rare earth export controls have sent the US into a frenzy.

They threaten China militarily talking of war and provoking them in the Taiwan Strait and South China Sea, playing silly games saying no export of high quality chips to China.

So what's China do?
Stops export of rare earths for use by the Wests MIC and chips manufacture.
By the time the west gets it's own supply chains sorted out China will be ahead in all technologies.

We are lead by warmongering idiots, and we're not going to win.

“Reports of torture of Jews held in Auschwitz, they all come from Nazi haters". Same difference ttbn.

"Shadi Abu Sido spent 18 months in Israeli detention believing that his entire family had been killed in Gaza. The Palestinian photojournalist was arrested by Israeli troops on March 18, 2024 while on assignment for the Beirut-based broadcaster, Palestine Today. Tormented and tortured by the Israeli guards. "I started begging them to kill me. I wished for death," he said." All of the detainees from Gaza were held without charge, according to the Associated Press, and many have alleged mistreatment and abuse in Israeli custody."

What do you all think about China having its 5 year plans?
Seems the communists have greater central planning.
Are they winning? And if so, why?
They sure seemed to outsmart the West and it's greedy capitalists on this rare earths thing.
Are the Chinese not smart for striving towards being self sufficient?
Is the west not dumb for giving them all our jobs?
We exported everything and became interdependent on each other;
And very much dependent on exploiting the poorer nations, and now they've said nope, we're with Russia and China, they treat us with more respect and wish to build up our countries, with ports, energy, hospitals roads and other infrastructure.
'We can even trade using our own currencies!
Keep yer dirty stinkin dollars and euro!

And so it was.
No more cheap cadbury chocolate.

“Reports of torture of Jews held in Auschwitz, they all come from Nazi haters".

Who are you quoting there, Paul?

Actually, it doesn't look like a quote at all. The two parts of the sentence don't belong together.

You do know that quotation marks are used to indicate what someone actually said, do you not? Or around single words of a dubious nature.

As you have said to me and others: who is this Shadi Abu Sido? (or is that ‘Shady’ as in ‘Shady Brothers’).

Why was he detained by Israel?

Shadi could have made up this story. You don't provide a link (something you are fond of asking for) to the Associated Press article.

As it is not just your opinion - you are presenting it as a fact, a real event - you should be able to prove it. Unless you believe that it is up to me to find it - which it is not.

It's a bit like guilt or innocence. It is up to the accuser (you), the one making the claim to prove it; not the doubter (me) who should prove it wrong.

But, I guess, there is no point talking to a person like you, who rubbishes other people's references because a) you are ignorant of the source/person referred to, or b) you declare them to be ‘hard right’ ‘racist’, ‘white supremacists’, or whatever terms of abuse you get from the Little Green Book.

Perhaps just stick to opinions. You have nothing to prove, and criticism of your opinions by someone with a different opinion is not worth a pinch of poop.

Ewww this is ugly...

Apparently Israel faked videos of atrocities on Oct 7, maybe.
I'm not sure I've got that correct.
Maybe they just faked footage of storerooms of weapons under hospitals they later used to justify attacking them, not sure.

I remember that incident surrounding Al-Shifa and the accusations they made, and all the new born babies that were left to die.

Hamas Evidence Has Been Exposed as CGI – And Israel is Freaking Out
http://youtu.be/mGdQ5XXeVx8

terrorists... ends justifies the means

ttbn,

I posted who is Shadi Abu Sido. Didn't you comprehend that he was a Palestinian photojournalist.

You make fun of the mans name, is that because as an Anglo redneck you hate anyone without an English sounding name?

You ask; Why was he (Shadi) detained by Israel? Don't know, he doesn't know, as he was detained for 18 months, without charge and without trial. But in your perfect far right totalitarian society, if you are grabbed by the authorities, like the Gestapo, then you are guilty of something or other.

He must've been photographing and reporting on Israeli atrocities.
He should be really grateful that he, and his wife and kids are still alive.
Israel's assassinated many journalists and their families,
Just at home with the missus n kiddies after a big day in Gaza.

Pretty much anyone that had a home probably got bombed.

If only poor Shadi had US$15k, he might have been able to pay the $5000 bribe (half price for kids) the Egyptians are asking at the Rafah border.
They're making 2 million a day apparently.

Somehow we are all flapping around here with our opinions etc.
I came accross this article yesterday and I think it might have a
message for us all. It gives an historical background all the way back
and no matter what our opinion is it will be helpful;

https://click.mlsend.com/link/c/YT0yODU0NjE5NjEyOTc5NDAyMTI0JmM9dzlvMiZlPTc4MzE0JmI9MTQ4NTMxMzkwNSZkPWg1dDB0MGE=.zUBe_Rf-zyLdHQcLPQnxo2c3L-3R38n0aefiGKiAEec

Oh that is ridiculous; try this;

http://tinyurl.com/4trcwkde

let me know your opinion

My first thoughts probably have little to do with your link.

I'm thinking 'We got rid of the NAZI's, banished their entire line of thought. How are the Israeli's similar and why do we tolerate their bs?'

As for your article, it was less of a critique of Islam, and more of a 'this land belongs to Jews because of 2000 years ago'.

If you wish to sell me on the merits of why Islam is shite
Don't do it by bringing Jews into it.
I don't care about their ancient biblical claims or their wish to establish and maintain an apartheid state.
If I have no right to say I'd rather not live with some races or religions then they don't either.

Paul

I am not a redneck. Pure white all over.

I don't hate people who don't have English sounding names.

The fact that Shady is a Palestinian photojournalist makes him immediately suspect as an activist - not just because he is a Palestinian, but because of his trade.

Journalists are terrible liars, and you seem to have missed the bit where his claim was “alleged”, not proven.

You know you are talking through your arse, because you came up with your tired old can't-prove-it-so-use-words-like-Gestapo-and-far right.

Those silly words have been denuded of any proper meaning because of their overuse by the ignorant - the ignorant who are so stupid that they think a few abusive words will frighten off people much smarter than they are, because that's what their equally stupid heroes have told them to do.

Even the media keeps trying to convince everyone they don't like being called names. I love it. It means I am a winner. These silly names are used only by your sort when you are losing an argument - which is all the time.

I see, too, that your buddy AC thinks that Shadi “must've been photographing and reporting on Israeli atrocities”. He doesn't know, so he makes something up.

AC then goes on to claim that “Israel's assassinated many journalists and their families”.

No proof, like you, just wild accusations.

Are you both in the same sheltered workshop?

"The fact that Shady is a Palestinian photojournalist makes him immediately suspect as an activist - not just because he is a Palestinian, but because of his trade."
- What does that even mean exactly?

"Journalists are terrible liars, and you seem to have missed the bit where his claim was 'alleged', not proven."
- Which part are you saying he fabricated, if it's abuse while being held without charge, many others can attest to the same treatment.
If it's about his story that IDF told him his family were killed, how can he prove that, but why would you doubt it, I don't.

"I see, too, that your buddy AC thinks that Shadi “must've been photographing and reporting on Israeli atrocities”. He doesn't know, so he makes something up."
- Well given that he's a photojournalist, I image that means he specialises in taking photos, also he (states) he was detained
at Shifa hospital in the northern Gaza Strip on March 18, 2024.

I imagine on the day he was detained he was taking photographs of wounded people who were being brought into the hospital, there may have been kids undergoing amputations without anesthetic.
I doubt he was doing wedding photos, or bird watching ffs.

"AC then goes on to claim that 'Israel's assassinated many journalists and their families'.
No proof, like you, just wild accusations."

That was quite the rant ttbn...
Are you ignorant or just lazy?
Do you want the list of names of the journalists?
Sometimes you talk as if I don't have this thing called 'internet' or that you don't understand what it's used for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_Gaza_war
271 listed killed in Palestine since October 7.
You will find in the table where partners, children or other relatives were killed, you can then google their names if you want to find out more about them or what happened to them.

So what is it ttbn, 'I can't' or 'I don't wanna'?
'stupid and ignorant' you say

Hi AC,

You and I don't agree with Hamas, we don't agree with Islamic fundamentalism, but what we do agree on is the murder of innocent men, women and children is wrong, be it in Gaza as it would be in Australia. The sick old puppy here is a 'holocaust denier', just as there are those who deny that the mass extermination of Jews took place in Europe during WWII, despite the overwhelming evidence, this bloke chooses to deny the holocaust that has taken place in Gaza. Until such a thing happens to him, or its only being inflicted on lesser mortals than himself, people he hates, its not his problem, or it serves them right!

One of the sickos here, not ttbn, posted that ALL Palestinians are terrorist, including babies, and they all deserve to die.

Hi Paul,
Yes I have my own somewhat unique perspective on things.
I think some immigrants may be more compatible than others.
Or maybe more able to easily integrate.
Maybe it's the clash of religions.
I see the mass immigration of people less than compatible as being a result of Netanyahus wars.
I don't want Australia turning into the UK.
Why can't we just leave it how it was?
Why must we sell our soul and become a basket case like that?
I'm not against immigration, I'm not against foreigners
Just not so many, and not so many in such a short amount of time.
I don't support Hamas, they're 'Islamic resistance'
I don't support Islam, but I do support peoples right to self determination (free from foreign rule) and I support the Palestinian peoples right 'to resist' and fight their oppressors.
I don't support the harm of innocents.

I don't see the M/E conflict as a battle against a hostile Islam.
I see it as the establishment of a Jewish state displacing the existing people and committing atrocities against them, by religious fanatics hell bent on land theft.
I see the Palestinians plight as a matter of human rights, and I see the cause as being Israels failure to state it's borders, because they're the ones not happy with the current borders and actively taking more every day.

Once you take that 'human rights' position in, then it's 'Hell No' I don't want to give Islamic extremism and further polaisation a greater foothold in my country.

Oh ffs... seriously...
They must think we're idiots, many are...

US warns of 'imminent' Hamas attack on Palestinians in Gaza in potential ceasefire breach
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-19/hamas-hands-over-two-more-israeli-hostages-remains/105908710

"The guarantor nations of the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas have been alerted to "credible reports indicating an imminent" violation by the Palestinian terror organisation against the people of Gaza, according to the United States Department of State.

In a statement released on Saturday, local time, the department said: "This planned attack against Palestinian civilians would constitute a direct and grave violation of the ceasefire agreement and undermine the significant progress achieved through mediation efforts."

Planned killing?
Doesn't matter that Israel has AKCHULY killed at least 25 people since the ceasefire, not including another 11 today.

Israel kills 11 Palestinian family members in Gaza’s deadliest truce breach
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/18/israel-kills-11-palestinian-family-members-in-gazas-deadliest-truce-breach

If there's any attack by Hamas against Palestinians, it's because Israel has now armed some of the opposition groups to fight Hamas.

We're supposed to believe the US cares about Palestinians after they've dropped 3 atomic bombs worth of munitions on them and Trump praised Israels military achievements in the Knesset the other day.

DEAR ISRAEL
NO MATTER WHAT BS YOU COME UP WITH
NO MATTER WHAT PICTURE YOU TRY TO PAINT FOR USEFUL IDIOTS
I WILL NOT OPPOSE THE PALESTINIANS RIGHT TO RESIST YOUR OPPRESSION
NO MATTER WHO YOU USE AS YOUR PROXY OR WHAT NARRATIVE YOU CONSTRUCT

People seem frightened shitless of criticising Israel.
Like they have cognitive dissonance.
Deer in headlights
Cant support a genocide, can't criticise Jews

Just tell me now.

Who ACTUALLY supports killing the women and kids?
Who supports killing the journalists
Who supports killing the doctors, nurses, paramedics
Just say so, be honest, say 'I support this'
Because if you can't say that, then stfu about anti-semitism.

When the semites are busy slaughtering women and kids
The moral position is to be ANTI SEMITIC.

Netanyahu confirms Israel arming clans opposed to Hamas in Gaza
6 June 2025
http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyn2m9yk0vo

Israel-backed militia groups potentially threaten new peace plan for Gaza
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/30/israel-backed-militia-groups-potentially-threaten-new-peace-plan-for-gaza
Israeli military has been arming alternatives to Hamas, with up to a dozen new groups emerging

After Israel’s war halted, who is clashing with Hamas in Gaza?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/13/after-israels-war-halted-who-is-clashing-with-hamas-in-gaza

[Still Israel]

'Fighting a war on two fronts': Behind the rise of a new threat in Gaza
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/hamas-influence-is-waning-in-gaza-palestinians-fear-armed-gangs-more/nz8wiwgfy

>>Israel denies it is fuelling the widespread hunger in Gaza, which a UN-backed group says meets famine conditions in some parts, describing it as "a Hamas-orchestrated starvation campaign".<<

Really?

More narrative construction than news in some of this presstitute rot.

I think anyone with half a brain can see what's going on here.

Trump swears again...

Says "Maduro doesn't want to f-- around with the United States"

http://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1979353111035609500
>>The utterly deranged 'report' about how Maduro went to the US and promised to give them all their oil and minerals and cut off all ties with Russia, China and Iran and embrace and love Israel is solely sourced to anonymous US officials which is code for the CIA, and has been laundered in the NYT, CNN, AP, Reuters, Economist. Trump himself has now also repeated it.<<

The entire Western media and political class is united in the most insane deranged pathetic psy op propaganda campaign to try to foment a color revolution.

http://www.instagram.com/reel/DPoIESlDE9j/
It's Maria Machado, who pledges alliegence to Israel and support for the war in Gaza.
Peace prize my ass.

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/controversy-erupts-over-nobel-peace-prize-for-venezuela-s-maria-corina-machado/3714657

Maduro wants to be a part of BRICS

Venezuela's BRICS Membership Is A Reality: Maduro
http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2025/01/28/3246783/venezuela-s-brics-membership-is-a-reality-maduro

I used to say 90% of the news was propaganda.
I think its getting even worse now.

Dear Critic,

You are a spoiled brat!

You live in a peaceful country, tucked away safely from Islamic tyranny, nobody tells you what to wear or think or whether and how to pray, and you also seem keen not to allow Islamic oppressors into this country.

Yet when it comes to people elsewhere, Gazans that is, you don't care one iota for them and are happy for them to be ruled by the Hamas terrorist gang forever.

After 2 years of Hamas weakening, some of the Gazan population finally see a ray of hope. Previously if they were suspected of saying anything bad about Hamas, they were shot in the knees and if these suspicions were confirmed they were thrown off the roofs of tall buildings. Finally they see some hope, of living a normal life, like yourself in Australia.

So what if Israel happens to help them with arms - I too would do the same if I could, most decent people would. Israel could never help the Gazan people to uprise against their oppressors if they didn't want to themselves. Israel may be in the wrong on many other counts, but not on this one.

You were complaining about Israel shooting innocent Gazans - well let me tell you, had I been as gravely unfortunate to be born in Gaza, then I would be more than glad to be shot dead by an Israeli bullet than to live under Hamas tyranny. I would have dropped flowers from heaven on the heads of the Israeli soldiers that shot me.

Hi AC,

Weren't Venezuelan's the wealthiest people in South America when companies from Great Satan America were there? How then did they become the basket case of South America when Chavez chucked out the evil capitalists and brought in the miracle of socialism?

Aren't Bricks countries supposed to have greater economic growth than western nations, much like the Soviet Union used to have until they stopped making up their numbers? Doesn't it stand to reason that if Venezuela ditched the wicked west and joined its Bricks brothers it should be more prosperous? It all seems rather odd.

Hi Yuyutsu,

I don't support sanctions or overthrows
People can wrap it up as 'bringing democracy' but to me it's foreign interference, and that's NOT self determination.
I've been saying it for years.
I don't support underhanded means or actions.

"After 2 years of Hamas weakening, some of the Gazan population finally see a ray of hope."
"So what if Israel happens to help them with arms - I too would do the same if I could, most decent people would."

No,I don't accept this.
Bomb them non-stop for 2 years, probably some 400k people killed all told, dead under the rubble included and you want to present Israel as the saviour? No.

And arming Hamas opponents and releasing them like attack dogs after you claimed to have made some kind of peace is deceitful.
i don't support underhanded things like this.
That is the reason for all the neverending conflict.

You point the finger at the Palestinians Hamas problem,
Just as easy to look at the Israeli settler problem.

And don't forget the leadership problem.
And the whole nations attitude problem.

http://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1979662411516072200
http://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1979762923997417699
http://x.com/OunkaOnX/status/1979609077752741949
http://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1979750024004198904

Israel said Hamas was looting aid — then it armed the gangs who were actually stealing it
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-14/gaza-aid-looting-gangs-yasser-abu-shabab-israel-netanyahu-hamas/105501926

CNN Host FORCED TO APOLOGIZE For Telling The Truth About Israel!
http://youtu.be/TZLdjb8j570

Dear Critic,

«I don't support sanctions or overthrows»

Well I do. Evil must be overthrown.

These innocent people in Gaza, notwithstanding having been bombarded and starved, etc. over the last 2 years, are being persecuted by an evil organisation that wants to kill them and their families.

Helping them has nothing to do with Israel's crazy Messianic ambitions, it is simply a humanitarian action and the right thing to do.

«People can wrap it up as 'bringing democracy' but to me it's foreign interference, and that's NOT self determination.»

But I never spoke here about democracy or self determination - this is about saving lives, and indeed allowing the poor Gazans in question a measure of self determination!

I have no problem with "foreign interference" - Australia itself should have done the same. It did so with ISIS and Hamas is no different.

«Bomb them non-stop for 2 years, probably some 400k people killed all told, dead under the rubble included and you want to present Israel as the saviour? No.»

Nothing to do with Israel or whatever else it did - arming these helpless people so they can defend themselves is a good deed, like every boy-scout should perform at least once a day.

«And arming Hamas opponents and releasing them like attack dogs after you claimed to have made some kind of peace is deceitful.»

Even if arming them was covert, saving innocent lives justifies it.
This is not about "opponents", but about innocent people who would otherwise be executed by an evil regime. It is not "releasing" either - those Gazan families are free to do as they like with the weapons they received.

«That is the reason for all the neverending conflict.»

Yes, I suppose, if you allow these innocent people to be slaughtered then there may no longer be a conflict.

«You point the finger at the Palestinians Hamas problem,
Just as easy to look at the Israeli settler problem.»

And I will indeed also support Australia dropping arms to the native West-Bank villagers so they can defend themselves too from those atrocious settlers.

[continued...]

[...continued]

«And don't forget the leadership problem.
And the whole nations attitude problem.»

Sorry I lost you here. I have no clue what you are talking about, thus I've got nothing to forget.

Obviously also, I would not come near these filthy social-media sites which you try to lure me into. My web-browser would block them anyway.

«Israel said Hamas was looting aid — then it armed the gangs who were actually stealing it»

I already agreed that Israel under Netanyahu did awful things.
That does not imply that Israel cannot also do something good from time to time.

BTW, now that the war is presumably over, Israelis are demanding to establish [the equivalent of] a royal commission regarding the 7th of October and the ensuing war. Netanyahu reluctantly sort-of agrees "on condition that the committee also investigate the protesters against his government, the high court and the previous government".

Thus Israelis are discussing how far into the past should the investigation go, so here is the best comment I saw on Israeli media:

"The commission should go back in time to investigate Netanyahu's father and why he failed to use a condom"!

It's not for you or Israel to decide.
You have your own dog in the fight with your family.
Your part is to worry about them, and what the government and the settlers do, to increase the conflict.

My position here is similar to the situation in Ukraine.
The Ukrainians bombed the crap out of civilians in the Donbass for years, they lost the right to rule over them, ever.
They should of stuck to the Minsk agreements.

Likewise no Israeli that failed to stand against the slaughter of innocent women and kids gets to say 'they care'.

And lets be honest, sending weapons into Gaza isn't about caring for the Palestinians. Israel has never acted in the Palestinians interest, they are merely trying to shape the battlefield for whatever they have in store tomorrow.

As for the social media that you did not wish to see, I thik one of them was Smotrich grandstanding about settlements in Gaza, just like the E1 settlement in West Bank, the aim is to destroy any chance of any kind of Palestinian state. Maybe another was Ben G'vir bragging about psychological abuse of detainees.

The Palestinians future is for the Palestinians to decide.
Not you, not me, and better they're ruled over by Palestinian oppressors that Israeli or US ones.
That's at least one step in the right direction.
Israel should worry about and deal with it's own lunatic settler problem.
Israel should get its own house in order and stop worrying about what the neighbours are doing.
Israel should officially state its own borders.
TODAY NOT YESTERDAY

Dear Critic,

Are you saying that one should not care about others beyond their own family?

And even if one is too afraid, tired or overwhelmed to care about X, does it preclude them from caring about Y?
Suppose you fail to care about domestic cruelty towards dogs and cats, does that make you ineligible to care about the culling of elephants in Africa?

Sure, ideally one ought to care for all the fallen and downtrodden in the universe, but is being human unforgivable?

I don't want anyone, anywhere, to be oppressed or ruled against their will by others they don't like.
This includes Israel, the West-Bank and Gaza.
It also includes Australia.
And well yes, it also includes Donbass. Only the locals should be able to choose who, if any, is to rule over them.

«And lets be honest, sending weapons into Gaza isn't about caring for the Palestinians.»

You may be right - so what?
The families in question are still thankful.

«Israel has never acted in the Palestinians interest,»

"Never" is a very long time. Netanyahu and his Nazi companions weren't always there.
Life isn't a zero-sum game and it often occurs that one, while caring for their own interests also unintentionally acts in others' interests.

«I thik one of them was Smotrich grandstanding about settlements in Gaza...»

May God smite and erase their name from the face of the earth.

«The Palestinians future is for the Palestinians to decide.
Not you, not me, and better they're ruled over by Palestinian oppressors that Israeli or US ones.»

I personally prefer any non-oppressor over oppressors and take it a step further: it is for each "Palestinian" person or family to decide.
Fact is, the vast majority of Arab/"Palestinian" Israelis like to remain Israelis forever and would extremely dread living under any "Palestinian" rule.

«Israel should worry about and deal with it's own lunatic settler problem.
Israel should get its own house in order»

Yes, so far so good.

«and stop worrying about what the neighbours are doing.»

Worry not for those doing, but for those being undone.

Trump urged Zelensky to accept Putin’s terms or be ‘destroyed’
http://www.afr.com/world/europe/trump-urged-zelensky-to-accept-putin-s-terms-or-be-destroyed-20251020-p5n3w3

>>Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelensky to accept Russia’s terms for ending the war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday (Saturday AEDT), warning that Vladimir Putin said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.

The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.<<

So what has been achieved here?
Onto Gaza.

There's no way a ceasefire will hold in Gaza, because Israel is still in religious extermination mode.
These Israelis are lunatics, you'd think they'd be glad they got their hostages back, they must've already killed about 80 Palestinians including more women and kids since then.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-threatens-to-stop-voting-with-coalition-unless-death-penalty-bill-advances/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-he-gave-pm-deadline-to-dismantle-hamas-enact-death-penalty-for-terrorists/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ben-gvir-demands-return-to-full-scale-fighting-after-terror-operatives-attack-idf-troops-in-gaza/

Religious death cult.
If Netanyahu doesn't do as he's told by these people he wont have a government and he'll be off to jail.

Dear Critic,

«religious extermination mode.»
«Religious death cult.»

They are just Nazis with no religion whatsoever.
All about sick nationalism and absolutely nothing to do with God.
Sheer evil. They make me want to vomit too.

So please do not compliment them - religion is the most wonderful thing, provided of course that it is religion indeed.

From what I have been reading I think Trump's peace has no chance at all !
They all seem to be maneuvering to get into the best position to start
it all again. Even QATAR is still in the act.
Why do we allow their airline into Australia ? What could go wrong ?
HAMAS has made it clear they are going nowhere and are keeping their weapons.

finally people are starting to get it
http://www.youtube.com/shorts/bnn3eEHYfaI
http://www.youtube.com/shorts/vxyxHsVSgyA

Ceasefire crumbling: Israel PM orders ‘immediate and powerful strikes’ on Gaza
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/ceasefire-crumbling-israel-pm-orders-immediate-and-powerful-strikes-on-gaza/news-story/3b473629369d71e49689ef430250e800
Just weeks after Donald Trump rejoiced in a Gaza peace deal, Israel has said it will undertake “immediate and powerful strikes” on the strip.

100 to 1 was a safe bet.

Dear Critic,

"Ceasefire crumbling"?
Then who can deprive you of your entertainment?!

Mind you, the Israeli Shekel has dropped a bit as a result, but the AUD/ILS ration is still 2.14 (instead of 2.13) and so long as it is under 2.20 I still bet that the cease-fire will hold - even while Netanyahu doesn't want it, Trump would force this cease-fire on both sides. His own prestige depends on it.

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=833410025847848

Did they do the same with this peace plan ?