According to author Stephen Daisley: ‘Do Palestinians want Hamas gone?’ (Spectator Australia 2/10/25) in May the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research asked Palestinians who they would vote for in a Palestinian Legislative Council election.

43% said Hamas, 15 points clear of their nearest rival.

Palestinians were also asked if they supported the disarmament of Hamas in order to stop Israeli military action in Gaza.

85% of respondents in the West Bank said NO.
65% of respondents in Gaza said NO.

Despite what the naive two-staters in countries like Australia think, Daisley suggests that peace and coexistence with Israel are “minority pursuits” in Palestinian society.

Despite Donald Trump's confidence, Daisley has his doubts that Americans will have the stamina, or the interest, to go get to the end of another of many attempts at peace in the Middle East. But, he thinks it might be an opportunity for Israel to step back, still defending themselves, but leaving it to Trump's “transitional” authority to see how it handles terrorism and extremism better than they have all these years, copping abuse and criticism all the while. Israel will be out of Gaza, and the critics will lose antisemitism from their armoury

It has a chance as long as Trump isn't be fooled by Hamas as he was by Putin. If Hamas is allowed to string things out without serious consequences, the peace deal will fail.

100 to 1

«Palestinians were also asked if they supported the disarmament of Hamas in order to stop Israeli military action in Gaza.

85% of respondents in the West Bank said NO.
65% of respondents in Gaza said NO.»

Great victory for Netanyahu - he must have opened a new bottle of champagne (courtesy of James Packer) when he heard of these "beautiful" results that give him a life-line of many more years of more enemies, more haters and more wars, which he worked really hard to earn!

I think that it will take a miracle to fix something that has been going on since 1948, and has worsened since Western politicians have wimped out.

But, instances have occurred in the past that some people describe as miracles.

Donald Trump should accept full marks for the plan - and step back. There are people better suited to try to implement it. Besides, he could be dead before anything happens. He is 79 years old.

He can rightly brag about the wars he stopped in his first term; but he is not producing now. Some might say he ain't what he used to be. Something that all elderly people have to come to terms with eventually.

What odds?

Better listen to those who put their money on it:

The ratio of the Australian dollar to the Israeli Shekel fell today all the way down to 2.15654 (presently 2.16807).

Before October 7th 2023, this ratio was hovering around 2.45, then when the war started, it peaked at 2.60415. Since then, every time there was a cease-fire or a good chance thereof, this ratio fell, but never reached down to today's levels since. It also fell from around 2.30 to around 2.20 following Israel's attack of Iran's nuclear facilities. The only time in the last 20+ years when this ratio fell below today's (to 2.0819) was for about a week in March 2020 when Australia closed its borders.

I tend to believe those speculators who now invest their money buying Israeli Shekels, that this time the hostages will indeed finally be released.

Now seriously, why listen to (or watch) the news when a quick glance at the currency chart can reveal everything so much quicker!?

No matter what, the world cannot, and should not, stand idly by and let the Zionist-Nazi's murder innocent men, women and children. In the latest "ceasefire" just yesterday, the Zionist-Nazi's murdered 85 innocent civilians in Gaza.

BTW; Who is this "expert" Stephen Daisley? Never heard of him, maybe I don't read enough of the right wing diatribe The Spectator!

Hamas even offered to return the hostages, but Netanyahu stands in the way of peace.
He can't be trusted, look what happened in Lebanon with Nasrallah, Haniyeh in Iran and the attack on Qatar, every time Netanyahu tries to assassinate the negotiating team.
He doesn't want any deal.

http://www.youtube.com/live/b28JrBj8CrI

Hamas does not worry about their soldiers or civilians being killed
because the Koran tells them that they are martyrs for Allah and they
are immediately in Paradise with their 75 virgins.
Why do you think they are so keen to be suicide bombers ?
It also points out why they promise to do it again & again & again.
A peace agreement is pointless, no solution possible.
Deleting the Islamists will stop the 1400 year old Jihad.
That sounds like genocide doesn't it ?
It has been going on for 1400 years and the latest place is Africa
where they are killing by the thousands.
So what is the solution for those frightened of what happens to be the
only obvious solution ?

On the very day the of second anniversary of the conflict, we have people more interested in their ongoing hatred of Israel than they are in peace. Their extreme ideology and hatred isolates them from reality and the normal, decent feelings of reasonable people. They appear to be bereft of any humanity. Its amazing that they think that they are good people.

I don't care about Israelis grief on October 7 anymore.
I was shocked and upset at the time, but now I don't care.
Every other day of the year is October 7 for Israels victims of genocide.
I've seen too many dead women and kids and stories and footage of Israels ongoing atrocities.

The war didn't start on October 7.
When people are living under occupation, there will always be resistance, and that resistance has been lead by many names in Palestine. Remember the PLO, remember Fatah. It's Netanyahu that funded Hamas to the tune of over a billion dollars through Qatar to make sure their was division in Palestinian camps and to undermine the 2 state solution.

Never forget October 7th 2023, that fateful day when Israelis were brutally massacred by Israeli tanks and Israeli helicopters and Israeli drones and Israeli soldiers and Israeli bullets, and also by Hamas a bit.

Ex-Israeli war chief confirms issuing Hannibal Directive to kill own civilians, soldiers on 7 Oct
http://thecradle.co/articles-id/28788
'Israeli forces used attack helicopters, drones, and tanks to kill their own civilians and soldiers while blaming the deaths on Hamas.'

Col. Wilkerson, Richard Wolff & Michael Hudson: Iran War Is Now IMMINENT: The Point of No Return - Annihilate Israel.
http://youtu.be/2g66AIIE4MU?t=817

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak admits that Netanyahu deliberately funded (over US$1.4 billion) and helped create Hamas
http://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1769067512610553950

I was shocked and upset at the time, but now I don't care.
Armchair Critic,
Yeah, right !

Hi AC,

The Israeli people are just as much the victims of the Zionist-Nazi's as were the German people the victims of the German-Nazi's. The parallels to what the German-Nazi's did in Europe to the Jews in the name of the German people, and what is happening in Gaza today is startling. Target the children, murder the children, as they are the future generation, the generation that will seek revenge for the atrocities we commit today. The Hamas leadership and foot soldiers that took part in October 7th 2023, were the children of a past generation of Palestinians that had suffered the brutality of Zionism. They were seeking revenge, justified NO, understandable YES.

Indyvidual

Let them go. Let them rant and rave. Their souls are as shrivelled as their brains.

Hi Indy,
'I was shocked and upset at the time, but now I don't care.'
- Yes, there was this image of 3 Israeli women at a bus stop, all dressed up nicely for Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) all dead, stacked on top of each other, and it kind of shocked and disturbed me for a day or so, and then the images if Israels response started coming thru.. I saw a dozen 14 story apartments dropped in the space of a minute, and the pictures of dead women and kids, which has continued every day since.

You all seem to forget I'm no friend of Islam.
But I'm not going to support a belligerent Israel and U.S. when they started all these wars in the M/E over the last 30 years (and elsewhere) that gave the west its influx of immigrants.
I'm no friend of Israel either.

But I do place a value on human life and I won't support what Israel does.
End's justifies the means is a terrorist mentality.
I may not be a friend of Islam but I have no will to displace or enrage them.

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.
Where do you think all the immigrants came from?

Afghanis, Palestinians, where do you think they all came from?
Remember when Aussies used to think Kiwi's and Poms were bad, and they give us this and tell us were racist an unaustralian for not being down with multiculturalism.

Like Go take a selfie with an African brandishing a machete, go get a selfie with Muslims blocking streets for prayers.
Love it, or you're racist, and a heretic.

Our country has become a toilet, for U.S. and Israeli wars.
They go in do what they want, and our purpose is to deal with the shite at the end of it like a septic tank.
Eat up all they lies and BS they spoonfeed us without question.

People are so switched off they think the hate is one sided.
'The Israelis are all good, kind, loving well meaning people.
The Palestinians are born evil, they are Amalek and God commands us to destroy them.'

Pffft, what a crock of shite.
People complain about the abc, but fill their minds with crap from Sky Channel.
'The Israeli's are the most moral army in the world, they would never do anything to deliberately harm innocents, they take every care to prevent harm because they value human life'.

Meanwhile I'm seeing kids shot in the head with their brains spattered all over the place, T-shirts that say 'One shot, two kills' with pregnant Palestinian women, apartment building full of people flattened, doctors, nurses and medical staff targeted, kids having amputations without anesthetic. People being deprived of food, water and medicine and journalists trying to report on it assassinated along with their families. Don't forget the Israeli raping and looting.

Seriously, systemic attacks on Gaza's health system with none of the 36 hospitals left intact, who does that?
- Israel, that's who.

http://x.com/AryJeay/status/1849943216528712072
WATCH: The brother of an Israeli soldier, Shuva'el Ben Natan, killed by the resistance said during his brother’s funeral:
"You entered Gaza to take revenge [to kill] as many women, children as you saw, this is what you wanted!"
No difference between Israel & ISIS.

NSW Premier Minns has rightly described as a celebration of terrorism the Hizb-ut-Tahir display put on in Sydney to cheer Hamas's October 7 atrocities.

HUT is a proscribed terrorist organisation even in the weak UK, but also in Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia.

But, in Oz, anything goes, including the thug Sheik Ibrahim Dadoun publicly screeching his pleasure two years ago, in Australia, at the time the atrocity was perpetrated - and getting away with it.

This piece of human garbage was still yelling at last night's celebration of ‘Glory to our Martyrs’. This is the sort of evil creature that Israel is trying to make peace with; still carrying on about Israel's “genocide”, an accusation that has never been put to the test by the two UN courts capable of doing so.

Even the lunatics Albanese and Wong have never accused Israel of genocide.

Decent Australians should be cringing at the sh.thole their country has become. But, perhaps not. Perhaps decent Australians are now sufficiently suppressed by the Albanese government and multicultural foreigners, who are still pouring in, getting hugs from Tony Burke at the airport.

"Let them go. Let them rant and rave. Their souls are as shrivelled as their brains."

You act like Oct 7 should be a day of remembrance...

When Netanyahu funded Hamas
When they strangely allowed the border fence to be breached on a significant historical war anniversary
When they ignored warnings from neighbouring countries and their own IDF
When they took 7 hours to respond
When they used the Hannibal doctrine to kill hundreds of Israelis themselves
When they lied about mass rapes and beheaded babies
When the Palestinians are under occupation and get a free pass to rise up against their oppressors under international law.
When the mob you support gave us 30 years of M/E war and Islamic immigration

You say my brain is shriveled, but you side with genociders whilst claiming a morally righteous Christian position, that sides with everything Jesus opposed from the people who nailed him to a cross.

It didn't start on October 7

Mowing the grass

Mowing the grass is a metaphor used to describe periodic Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip to manage the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. During such attacks, Israel targeted Palestinian militants, Palestinian civilians, and the civilian infrastructure of the Gaza Strip.

The strategy is usually carried out by conducting short, sharp military operations to maintain a certain level of control over the area without committing to a long-term political solution, similar to how one would mow a lawn to keep it neat and tidy.

The term was coined by Efraim Inbar and Eitan Shamir, two columnists for The Jerusalem Post and strategic studies researchers.

According to Adam Taylor in The Washington Post, "the phrase implies the Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip and their supply of crude but effective homemade weapons are like weeds that need to be cut back."

Naftali Bennett referred to the idea in a speech in 2018 when he said "He who does not mow the grass, the grass mows him".

No one can dispute it is a total mess.
The Israelis have been forced to accept that this current war is not
the first or the last.
As long as Islam requires that all the non Islamic lands must be
conquered then it will continue.
They make no secret of it, in fact the Ayatollahs in Iran call rallies
to call for Death to America, Death to Israel.
Hamas is just the latest name being used.
It really does not matter it will go on for another 1000 years.
It is possible that it can only be stopped by killing all moslems
everywhere. That would just be a copy of Islam's policy.
Now I read that there is a possibility that Iran might obtain nukes
from Nth Korea as did Pakistan.
Bloody depressing isn't it !

The only thing Australia - that really has no influence globally - can do is realise that we don't have a dog in the fight, and stop tolerating Palestinian supporters/Israel-haters here. Charge them with incitement, deport them and/or lock up any of them who are citizens, and throw away the key.

The claim that Israel is also fighting for the West is largely bullsh.t because the West, including Australia, is deliberately importing the Islamic trash into their countries, along with the other Third World riff-raff they are replacing us with for the use of our evil, corrupt politicians.

In the meantime, Donald Trump has advised Hamas to lay down their arms ‘or die’. Despite all the good intentions, and talk of peace, the total extinction of Hamas and everyone like them, is the only way Israel will ever see peace. Hamas and company act like wild animals and should be treated as such.

It would be nice to see a peace deal, then some attention might go to Australia's natural heritage facing genocide at the hands of net zero terrorists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohhh9PPIk5U

We keep getting told there is rampant famine, genocide, mass infant deaths, all hospitals on their last legs etc etc.

If any of that was the slightest bit true, then the Gazans would be overjoyed at a peace deal no matter the terms. Hamas would be running (not slow walking) to lay down their arms, surrender and get some relief from the famine/genocide for their people.

But no. they are slow walking the peace process. Still trying to negotiate a partial peace they can call victory which would allow them to gear up for another 7/10 in a year or three.

The famine is BS. People on the brink of starvation don't negotiate terms.
The genocide is BS.
The Gazan desire for peace is BS.
Hamas's concern for their human shields is BS.

Its all hype - antisemitic hype.

Dear Paul,

I appreciate your kind and true statement that «The Israeli people are just as much the victims of the Zionist-Nazi's as were the German people the victims of the German-Nazi's.»

This is what "Zionism" disgracefully came to be in our times, but I would like to throw in a bit of an historical perspective because that's not what Zionism used to be.

Zionism used to be a vibrant positive movement, which sought to change and lighten up the lives of oppressed people, from being merchants, bankers, dealers, brokers and the like, and hated for that, or alternately unproductive pale scholars who sat on hard benches all day studying Torah and never seeing any sunlight, into farmers who work and produce in the great outdoors, getting their hands dirty with real mud.

Zionism sought to free people from the stifling control of clerics (Rabbis).

Zionism used to be inclusive, embrace and incorporate all other people on the land as equals, whatever be their race or religion. The only ones the original Zionists eradicated from their land, which they stole, were malaria-carrying mosquitoes which made large swaths of the land uninhabitable for humans.

Unlike in both the lands Zionists came from and the land they arrived at, Zionism treated men and women completely equally.

In today's terminology, some century ago, one could therefore describe Zionism as "Progressive".

And that is quite what the native Muslim clerics hated most,
they didn't want their authority challenged,
they didn't want their women emancipated,
and so they, from the 1920's on, incited their mobs to attack and lynch the Zionists.

That was Zionism's first incarnation.

In its second incarnation, Zionism in Israel became a synonym for good citizenship: you help an old lady to cross the road; you help your friends in their homework; you visit the sick; you donate to the poor; you give way on the road... then you are a Zionist, and this is why most Israelis would still define themselves as Zionists!

The despicable Zionist-Nazi's you speak of are a third incarnation of the word "Zionist" and indeed very different.

Well said, mhaze. Who do you think is organising all the marches in western countries? Iranian backed terrorists? China is virulently antisemitic, so it might help too. Meanwhile the protestors show no interest in murders like these, good humanitarians that they are. Oh, and no need to be reminded about Ukraine either as the news is always chock full of reports on that conflict.

https://www.opendoors.org.au/frontline-faith/mozambique-beheadings-and-thousands-displaced/

Dear Critic,

The 7th of October 2023 was not Yom Kippur, but another Jewish festival called "Simchat Torah", 12 days later. Not that it matters much, but it indicates the low level of scrutiny of the information you bring us here.

«they started all these wars in the M/E over the last 30 years (and elsewhere) that gave the west its influx of immigrants.»
«Our country has become a toilet, for U.S. and Israeli wars.»

So your attitude as if a given land belongs only to your kind of people and others should not be allowed in... is quite what you accuse Israel/Zionism of!

If Palestinians want peace at all, it doesn't include a free Israel. And it has been shown that it's a majority of Palestinians, not just Hamas.

In the meantime, among the Israel/Jew hating vermin in Australia, the vile leader of the vile Greens, Larissa Waters, is a stand out, claiming as she does, that attacks on Jews all over the world are the fault of the Israeli government. Nothing to do with the Islamic berserkers carrying out the attacks.

"Meanwhile the protestors show no interest in murders like these, good humanitarians that they are. "

But sometimes they are good for a laugh, grotesque as it may be. Today St Greta Thunberg posted yet another tweet showing how oh-so virtuous she is. Decrying the horrid treatment of all those poor Gazans. And to prove how badly they were being treated she posted a picture of...wait for it... a Jewish hostage.

http://x.com/MaxNordau/status/1975598065970262095

Facts don't matter to these people. Its all about the feels.

Aw gawd...

Bezza,
"Ayatollahs in Iran call rallies to call for Death to America, Death to Israel."
- I'm not sure they have to be Muslim to hold those criticisms, give the history.
Hamas is just the latest name being used.
- Hamas is Islamic resistance, others, like the PLO may have been more nationalist.

"It really does not matter it will go on for another 1000 years."
The conflict is caused the the establishment of the modern state of Israel, Jews, Muslims and Christians used to live side by side in peace.

ttbn,
'...stop tolerating Palestinian supporters/Israel-haters here. Charge them with incitement, deport them and/or lock up any of them who are citizens, and throw away the key.'

You want me in jail for the rest of my life because of the things I say on an online forum?
What flag do recognise as your own?
The one with the Star of David on it?
Australia IS NOT ISRAEL.
Please explain.

"In the meantime, Donald Trump has advised Hamas to lay down their arms ‘or die’."
- Not going to happen, they won't disarm without Palestine being ruled by Palestinians, and Netanyahu was never going to keep to Trumps deal.

mhaze

"If any of that was the slightest bit true, then the Gazans would be overjoyed at a peace deal no matter the terms. Hamas would be running (not slow walking) to lay down their arms, surrender and get some relief from the famine/genocide for their people."

- We thought we could starve them, and they'd roll over and submit to Israels 80 year war demands for a few doggy biscuits.

How long would I have to starve you till you signed over your house your state, your wife and kids future to me?
Because that's what Israel asks.

"But no. they are slow walking the peace process."
- There is no peace process, only the false hope and false promises of liars who aren't fooling anyone.

Your assumptions are wrong because you lack the ability to put yourself in adversaries shoes, and hear their real concerns.

Who killed who on October 7?

http://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1975467267585679833
This video is ILLEGAL in Israel.
If you share this video you could be sent to prison for 5 years. Seriously.
It shows the TRUTH about October 7th.

Hi Yuyutsu,
"The 7th of October 2023 was not Yom Kippur, but another Jewish festival called "Simchat Torah", 12 days later. Not that it matters much, but it indicates the low level of scrutiny of the information you bring us here."

I was wrong then when I stated this:
"there was this image of 3 Israeli women at a bus stop, all dressed up nicely for Yom Kippur".
I just knew they were well dressed for some special occasion,
I think I got mixed up because of a different fact, where I stated to ttbn:

'When they strangely allowed the border fence to be breached on a significant historical war anniversary'

Yom Kippur War, a war that broke out on October 6, 1973, (more or less) exactly 50 years before the October 7 attack.

Sorry, I thought it was the same day, and same event.

Hey Bezza,
Here's one for you:

http://x.com/mog_russEN/status/1975536136375136498
BREAKING AND UNUSUAL

The Iranian authorities have officially announced the cancellation of mandatory hijab enforcement on women.
Fines or penalties will no longer be imposed on those who do not wear the hijab.
Experts: "The decision came as a result of previous waves of protests and Tehran's desire to avoid inflaming internal society amid tensions with Israel and America."

AC wrote: "Your assumptions are wrong because you lack the ability to put yourself in adversaries shoes, and hear their real concerns."

But I do put myself in their shoes. If I was starving to death. If my people were truly the subject of genocide. If all the kids were dying for lack of hospitals. Then under those circumstances I'd be accepting any peace terms that would end all that. But they don't.

So either the claims about famine/genocide are rubbish OR Hamas doesn't give a fig about the welfare of the Gazans. One or t'other.

But as usual AC wants both to be true. And both to be not true. All of the above/none of the above/some of the above. Whatever he needs at the moment to attack the Joos.

Do you think that Sinwar didn't calculate that Israel would act out the way it has and put its true self on full display of the world?
- That Palestinians would not pay a huge cost in the process?

"If my people were truly the subject of genocide. If all the kids were dying for lack of hospitals. Then under those circumstances I'd be accepting any peace terms that would end all that. But they don't."
- Submission means being dispossessed of their home and everyone is sent packing.

They are starving because Israel denies them food aid.
They have no hospitals because Israel blew them all up.
They are being genocided because Israel murders them en masse.

There is no peace process, there are no negotiations.
Israel assassinates negotiators and leadership.
Israel as well as yourself and people like you expect the Palestinians to kneel in defeat and submit to an Israeli lead authority, that openly calls to exterminate them.

"So either the claims about famine/genocide are rubbish OR Hamas doesn't give a fig about the welfare of the Gazans. One or t'other."
- Why can't both be true?
That there is a famine and genocide and that Hamas does care about the plight of Gazans.

"But as usual AC wants both to be true. And both to be not true. All of the above/none of the above/some of the above. Whatever he needs at the moment to attack the Joos."

You are the one who makes some stupid BS argument and then pronounces yourself victor, and then leads on from your invented bs to fall back on the Jew-hater anti-Semite false argument.

Whether I'm an anti-Semite or not, (I am because you lot say so)

Here's one for you:
Armchair critic,
Makes them less conspicuous among western crowds for sure however, my guess is they're not abandoning their quest though, are they !

AC wrote: "There is no peace process, there are no negotiations."

"I am very proud to announce that Israel and Hamas have both signed off on the first Phase of our Peace Plan. This means that ALL of the Hostages will be released very soon, and Israel will withdraw their Troops to an agreed upon line as the first steps toward a Strong, Durable, and Everlasting Peace. All Parties will be treated fairly! This is a GREAT Day for the Arab and Muslim World, Israel, all surrounding Nations, and the United States of America, and we thank the mediators from Qatar, Egypt, and Turkey, who worked with us to make this Historic and Unprecedented Event happen. BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS!

DONALD J. TRUMP
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"

Seems the odds on Trump's M-E peace plan just went up.

Trumpster,

If that is what The Donald can achieve, then I'm 100% for it, and I'll be the first to say so here; "Good on Donald for achieving peace". BUT it ain't happened yet, the Zionist-Nazi's are still killing innocent men, women and children in Gaza. 85 the other day, including more than 20 children. Oh! that's right, you believe Palestinian babies are terrorist, and terrorists deserve to die!

Whether I'm an anti-Semite or not, (I am because you lot say so)
Same as if I support the Palestinians I get called a 'leftist'
If I object to immigration then I'm considered to be on the 'right'.
How can I be a lefty and righty at the same?
It's your attempt to define me just the same you define me as an anti-semite.

I had this job as a teenager, I must've been 17.
My foreman would sometimes yell out to me
"Hey meathead, get t f over here"

You think I care if other people call me names?
If YOU call me names?
Been called worse, do your best.

But it's NOT anti-Semitic to speak out about what Israel's doing.
You have 150 some countries opposed to it.
But somehow, I'm just being anti-Semitic.

'There's 30 Christians killed in Nigeria every day and if you don't stand against that then your unfairly targeting the Israel Gaza conflict.

I'm sick and tired of all the Pro-Israeli arguments that are all an attempt to deflect, minimise or point the finger elsewhere.

Look at the drivel you come out with.
There are no 'Palestinians'.
There is no 'Genocide'.
People aren't being starved.
Anything to deny, deflect, minimise or attack the person or character of the person saying it.

It's total bs, pathetic, you only make yourselves look like d-heads, discrediting yourselves worse.
Problem is your in the company of a whole lot of other idiots that agree with you.
Private echo chamber.

Meanwhile you have Smotrich talking about it.

Israel minister condemned for saying starvation of millions in Gaza might be ‘justified and moral’
(This article is more than 1 year old)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/08/israel-finance-minister-bezalel-smotrich-gaza-starve-2m-people-comments
'EU, UK and France urge Israel’s government to distance itself from comments by its finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich'

The evidence is everywhere, people doing the 'Charter boat, what charter boat?' thing.
Living in La la land.
The rest of us who don't spend our lives worshiping Jews are scratching our heads thinking 'What a bunch of f-heads'
Sorry but it's time for a reality check hey...

BUT it ain't happened yet,
Paul1405,
why make it look like it would be Trump's fault if it doesn't succeed ? If it fails it's due to people with a mentality like you !

mhaze, you're a Trump groupie.
If Trump farted in your general vicinity, you'd run over just for a chance to breath in his poo vapours, then try and guess what he had for lunch.

I could probably get you to sign anything as well if I had a placed the muzzle of a gun in your mouth and a pen in your hand.
That's not negotiating in good faith.

"I am very proud to announce that Israel and Hamas have both signed off on the first Phase of our Peace Plan"
- Trump said he would annex Greenland and end the Russia / Ukraine war in a day as well, and he damn well knew about the strike in Qatar, taking out Hamas leadership ad negotiating team because he had to make sure US air defense didn't take out the Israeli F-35's.
Good cop, Bad cop.

I think Hamas knows Israel won't keep the deal, they are just agreeing to the hostages to make Israeli's lose their minds when they back away blaming Netanyahu who himself won't keep to any deal and has said as much.

Trump and Netanyahus election runs were both funded by Shelden Adelson.

So far so good. Fingers crossed, pray, whatever it is you do.

More good news.

The NSW court of appeal has moved to prohibit the Opera House Pro-Palestian performance.

Dear Paul,

«BUT it ain't happened yet, the Zionist-Nazi's are still killing innocent men, women and children in Gaza.»

39 minutes ago, it was reported that the IDF was ordered to prepare for withdrawal.

The ratio of the Australian dollar to the Israeli Shekel has now fallen to an unprecedented 2.14 and I believe those who put their money on it.

"You think I care if other people call me names?"

I'm not calling you names. Just putting labels on your attitudes. Let's face it , you've been anti-Israel and anti-Jew for a very long time - all the way back to the Arjay days. Its got nothing to do with their conduct of the war. That's just the latest excuse for your outbursts.

"That's not negotiating in good faith."

Well that was quick. You've gone from "here are no negotiations" to there are negotiations but not the type you like. All in less than a day!!

But these are good faith negotiations. But they aren't negotiations between equals. Hamas comprehensively lost the war and the negotiations are just about the surrender terms.

Netanyahu said at the outset, just after 7/10, that the M-E would look very different by the time the war ended. And boy was he right. Hezzbullah all but gone. Assad skulking around in Moscow. Houthis put in their place. Iran humiliated and now trying to placate their restive people. And now Hamas surrendering. A more comprehensive victory for Israel is hard to imagine

It won't make the slightest difference to most but it should nonetheless be read in full...

http://www.furtherup.net/p/the-lost-boys-and-girls-of-october

We all know that Netanyahu can't survive without war.
(Or some of us anyway)
His religious nut henchmen Smotrich and G'vir will ensure he keeps to no deal,
- And if somehow that doesn't work some crazed settlers will go and burn a Palestinian family alive or try to assassinate Netanyahu
And all the bs will start again.

There are vested interests in Israel that do not want peace.
Palestinians may very well just not want to be ruled over by the Nazis
Hard to know really whilst they lack self determination.

I'm sure the ongoing war is taking a toll on the Gazans.

You watch,
As soon as Israel gets their hostages back,
Netanyahu will come up with some bs to say Palestinians are not observing the ceasefire and go back in.
It will probably be something like - Israel blows something up with airstrikes again like a hospital, and pretend they didn't breach any deal and then when Palestinians do something minor in response, Israel will say Hamas broke the ceasefire and we have to go back in.

So tell me mhaze, Yuyutsu,

Do we have a full unedited cope of the deal we can add to the thread?
That way when the deal is claimed to be broken, we can all see exactly what was agreed upon.

A lot of parts of that peace plan I saw were vague, and probably deliberately so.

Netanyahu has no choice but to try to get the hostages back.
But he's going to end up in prison if there's real peace.

What can he do?
Attack Iran again.

I can't see Hamas handing over their weapons to Israel.
I can't see them willing to be ruled over by anyone other than Palestinians.
I don't see Hamas gaining much more by keeping the hostages either though.
They might have more to gain by giving them up.

Lets see if they give up their guns. doubtful.

On the other side maybe Israel may also be taking a lot of troop losses in Gaza as well.

Dear Critic,

«Yom Kippur War, a war that broke out on October 6, 1973, (more or less) exactly 50 years before the October 7 attack.»

Yom Kippur is on the 10th day of the first month of the Jewish calendar (Tishrey) while Simchat Torah is on the 22nd of Tishrey. Being a lunar calendar, dates rarely match the solar calendar exactly, normally only every 19 years.

«Israel blows something up with airstrikes again like a hospital, and pretend they didn't breach any deal and then when Palestinians do something minor in response, Israel will say Hamas broke the ceasefire and we have to go back in.»

This time Trump holds a big bone in his jaws - Nobel Prize, so he won't let go of it and Netanyahu will just have to obey him like a small poodle in front of a German shepherd.

«Netanyahu has no choice but to try to get the hostages back.
But he's going to end up in prison if there's real peace.

What can he do?
Attack Iran again.»

Well, he can also get a heart attack, or commit suicide, or receive amnesty from Israel's president and/or asylum in the U.S.A.

Oh, and there are still plenty of other countries to attack... for example, how about Australia?

Thinking of it again, does a country need to actually exist for him to declare a war on (and therefore a state of emergency and suspension of elections)?

The peace won't last because of the belief that moslems MUST kill Jews
and Christians.
Anyone who would trade on the bodies of the dead like Hamas has done
really is not part of this world.
I think most people think there will be peace for a year, even two
but sooner or later it will start up again with a different name.
If Nth Korea does supply Iran or its successor with nuclear weapons
then I think the US, Britain and France will finish the Middle East for good.

Bezza,

As a complete Islamophobia you would say that, yes Muslims have killed Christians and Jews, just as Christians have killed Muslims and Jews (6 million recently) and Jew have killed Christians and Muslims (killing them now, 67,000 in Gaza), killing seems to be the name of the game for these "peace loving" believers in God. In your ignorance, and being totally clueless on Islam, and dare say all religions, you believe the worlds 2 billion Muslims are a homogeneous lot in what they believe, and are "out to get yah"! Of course none of these killings would have anythings to do with economic and social disorder, would they? I'm not a supporter of these crackpot monotheistic religions, with their belief in a non existent God, and the teaching from books that are complete fabrications, prophets that talked absolute garbage. So the "believers" show themselves to be a sandwich short of a picnic, and are starting form a very low base of intelligence. So, all I can say is be careful of anyone who wants to ear-bash you with their religious beliefs, be they Christian, Muslim, Jew or "Calithumpians" for that matter. I worry about the world, outwardly these religious fruitcakes appear to be quite sane, even normal, listen to them for five minutes, and then you realise you are dealing with a raving lunatic! As I said, its a worry!

p/s You seem to be rather nutty, so which particular cult are you following this week?

"If Nth Korea does supply Iran or its successor with nuclear weapons
then I think the US, Britain and France will finish the Middle East for good>"

Don't worry, while the world worries about Iran's nuclear capabilities, Israel who is not only conducting a genocide while the world watches, has been expanding their nuclear site at Dimona.

http://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjmrznh5lg
"Report shows a large new structure at Israel’s Dimona nuclear facility; Experts say it could be a new heavy-water reactor or a nuclear warhead assembly site, though limited information makes its exact purpose unclear."

Mind you, when you have leaders like Netanyahu, Smotrich and G'vir with nukes...
You may as well just hand out nukes to everyone like candy if you let these religious fanatics (Netanyahu excluded) have them.

Bezza,

I agree. Israel has been under seige for three quarters of a century. It has become a way of of life. Occasional respite is all that can be excepted.

There will also be more woe in the West, thanks to sell-out governments like Albanese's, and their maniacal drive to import people who have no intention of assimilating.

The trouble with too many white people is they think the rest want to be like us; that the non-whites envy us; that non-whites couldn't possibly look down on us; that they are grateful to us for letting them stream into our countries.

That's all rubbish, much of it drummed into us by renegade whites who have been harping about 'invasion', 'racism' and all their inventions of the nastiness of being white for generations. The self-hatred is now part of the education curriculum.

There are very bad times ahead. And it's too late to do anything about it. The enemy is inside the gate, and it's our own fault.

Given the terrible things that have occurred related to Israel, if the clock could be turned back, I don't think the state of Israel would exist.

I've finally found something I can almost agree with from The Lovely Pauline Of One Nation, forget the housing problems, forget China, forget the cost of living, World War III, forget all that unimportant stuff, the BIG problem facing Australia, according to The Lovely Pauline is, wait for it, PAPER SHOPPING BAGS! Yes indeed Pauline is launching a One Nation crusade against cheap, always falling apart, paper shopping bags. I do believe Pauline is going to attack the supermarkets at the point of a gun, (forget about their ripoff prices) and force them to replace the inferior paper bags, with one made from solid CAST IRON!

ttbn, thinks The Lovely Pauline would make a great Prime Minister, before the last election he was on here pushing; vote for the crackpot parties like One Nation. They have a great shopping bag policy!

After consulting France on its burqa ban, Pauline Hanson intends to re-introduce her previous attempt to have it banned here: at least full-face coverings, which would see anyone else arrested.

I'm not sure that all that many Muslim women wear masks in Australia, and there's a fair chance she will be rubbished. But it's good to know Pauline on everything Australian seems to have the balls that Albanese, with his squeaky voice, does not.

After that last post, I saw that, apropos of nothing, the idiot Troll dragged up nothing at all relevant about PH.

I have never believed that she is Prime Minister material -she is not - and only a morons like the Troll would think that she is.

One Nation is a useful as tits on a bull. It has had no influence on anything, and is highly unlikely to ever do so. All it does is give disenfranchised conservatives the opportunity of casting a principled first preference before wading through the rubbish they really don't want to put a number against, and wouldn't if they weren't undemocratically forced to.

We need an entirely new party, formed by the conservatives in the Liberal Party and the National Party with, perhaps, One Nation as a junior partner. Plus a more mature electorate, and removal of Third World immigrants.

"After that last post, I saw that, apropos of nothing, the idiot Troll dragged up nothing at all relevant about PH."

I kind of have to agree with Paul, they DO have a great shopping bag policy!

For the most part I refused to buy those paper bags
Woolies used to have these good fabric ones for $1 but I think they've replaced them with others now.

If you must talk about plastic bags: no, they should not be banned. I've used the same ones for years, and the 'compostable' ones are too flimsy. And, try passing on rooted plants - damp to keep them alive - in a paper bag.

The plastic bags in the oceans that the environment tragics carry on about have been proven to come from Asia. Tell the Asians to lift their game.

And. I should not have call that irritating bugger a moron.

I think I might be willing to reassess the situation.
Israeli Cabinet approved the peace deal.

Firstly long term prospects of peace remain at 100:1

But I think the hostage / prisoner swap and ceasefire might go ahead.
But I'm somewhat doubtful it will ever get to Stage 2.

Will Hamas give up their weapons?
Maybe, but only if a Palestinian State is truly on the table.
As in ruled by Palestinians, and safeguarded by an international security force.

I don't see the long term prospects of peace however.

One of the problems is that Netanyahus coalition government will fall apart if they cave to everything Palestinians want and have peace.
Also Netanyah needs war to avoid his criminal cases.
He may be able to form a new government without the religious hardliners Smotrich and G'vir.

Likely Israel will concoct some reason to break the ceasefire at some point, if we get that far.

Whether or not Israel conducts decapitation strikes on Iran again and whether it's successful or not is a factor.

It's even money on another Israeli attack on Iran before Christmas, one which sees Israel destroyed as an Iranian response, and one which may be designed to force U.S. to enter a full scale war with Iran.

Netanyahu can stay in power, keep his coalition government, avoid his legal battles, attack Iran and pull the U.S into that war.
And break the ceasefire and restart conflict against the Palestinians again, after the hostages are taken off the table.

I think the hostages have reached a point where they've become a liability for Hamas now, best to give them up if any progress or agreements can be made re a Palestinian state.