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AUKUS and submarines

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While Albanese praised John Curtin for giving Australians the confidence to speak for ourselves, Albanese himself is doing everything but that: “cowering in mute submission” to Communist China. Some say that he is also wriggling away from the US alliance (that Curtin valued) without having the guts to admit that's what he is doing. Does he want to copy New Zealand and opt out of ANZUS?

Albanese has said nothing about Communist Chinese aggression towards Australia in the South China sea; the Tasman Sea, nor the live firing circumnavigation of our country. He reckoned there was nothing ‘unusual’ about such things. His henchwoman Wong even said it was “racist” towards Chinese people living in Australia to criticise China's blatant aggression. Being ethnic Chinese, born in Malaysia, perhaps she takes it personally. Which raises, for another time, the question of how clever it is to have multiculturals in an Australian government.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 12 July 2025 10:56:03 AM
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I'll leave mhaze to argue with the crackpot Armchair Critic, but I have to point out that the people I was referring to for internment were NOT Chinese Australians, but people like AC himself and that other wackjob who thinks defending Australia is "warmongering".

I have no problem with Chinese-Australians, whether their ancestors were here before mine, or they are recently arrived. My problem is with the likes of Albanese and his Communist-style government, and his far too close association with a Communist dictator.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 12 July 2025 11:07:04 AM
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ttbn,

>>I'll leave mhaze to argue with the crackpot Armchair Critic, but I have to point out that the people I was referring to for internment were NOT Chinese Australians, but people like AC himself and that other wackjob who thinks defending Australia is "warmongering".<<

This coming from a bloke who actually starts a thread on 'Which Path to Persia' policy papers but somehow thinks its Iran that's the threat not the US and Israel who wish to attack and overthrow other sovereign countries as part of decades of wars across the M/E that brought us all the Muslims he despises.

This coming from a bloke who wants to go to war with China to prevent their global hegemony, a war that cannot be won by the west and would lead to the death of every male between 19 and 65, not to mention the wives, girlfriends, kids, babies and grandparents and other innocents.

I think maybe it's you who needs to be placed into internment because you and all the others like you are an exponential threat to every peace loving Aussie out there.

If you want war, slap on your green fatigues and your jumpsuit on top, we'll give you a rifle and some ammo and we can parachute you in, we'll let the Chinese know you're own your way, to DEFEND Australian interests.

Fight to the last Australian!
All while the MIC and bankers profit off or deaths, because of war drive market volatility.
- And everyone of us will be dead, but a few will make some quick dollars no matter which way the war goes.

Maybe you can pop off some poor Chinese women / kids / babies like those good friends of yours the Israelis are doing....
- Before you get shot like a rabid dog and your corpse is left to rot when you fall.
Good luck I wish you every success.

Go fight your own fecking war, and leave the rest of us OUT OF IT.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 12 July 2025 11:49:20 AM
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Do your homework, schoolboy...

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

The Shanghai Communiqué:
This document, issued at the end of Nixon's visit, outlined the positions of both the US and China on various issues, including Taiwan.

U.S. Acknowledgment:
The US acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only one China and that Taiwan is part of China, but did not explicitly state that the PRC was the sole legitimate government.

Normalization of Relations:
This acknowledgment was a key element in the process of normalizing relations between the US and China, which ultimately led to the establishment of diplomatic relations in 1979.

One China Policy:
The US "One China policy" is a broader concept that has evolved over time and is based on the Shanghai Communiqué and other subsequent agreements. It involves acknowledging the Chinese position on Taiwan while maintaining unofficial relations with Taiwan.

*The US acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only one China and that Taiwan is part of China*
- Now run along and go back play on the monkey bars or in the sandpit, with all the other little kids.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 12 July 2025 12:02:18 PM
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"*The US acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only one China and that Taiwan is part of China*"

Yes they acknowledged it. That's what I said.

BUT they didn't endorse it. Didn't agree with it. Didn't comply with it.

They simply accepted that that was the Chinese position in order to move on.

Do try to keep up.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 12 July 2025 12:18:49 PM
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Hi again AC,

"The cost of US weapons would be so great". Of course, what Trumpster doesn't understand is for every taxpayer dollar spent purchasing military hardware from the American Military Industrial Complex, a large percentage of that dollar is taken in super profits by the Capitalists. I recall the days of Ronny Reagan when it was "discovered" the cost of a 1/2" mild steel bolt from the Complex cost the American taxpayer $100, 10c for the bolt, and $99.90 in super profit for the patriotic good guys! A little fact for Trumpster, an American built nuclear submarine costs around $5 billion, a Chinese equivalent cost around $750 million or about 15%. That's because the Chinese don't have any $100, 1/2" mild steel bolts in theirs. I think Australia is in line to spend $350 billon for 7 nuk subs, not all of them new, that's about $50 billion each! Its no wonder Trumpster can't understand how the Chinese are expanding their military and not spending like the Americans do. I don't want Albo meeting with Donald, Donald will most likly sell poor little Albo the Brooklyn Bridge for $100 billion, plus a 145% tariff in another one of his Donald deals!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 12 July 2025 12:29:17 PM
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