“Australia buying a couple of nuclear submarines is a bit like parking your Lamborghini under the carport in front of your fibro-cement bungalow in Dandenong and expecting your neighbours to respect you”. (Peter O’Brien ‘Will Trump sink Aukus’, 5/7/25)

O’Brien writes that given the “contempt the Albanese government has shown towards the US” on a number of fronts, it is more likely than not that President Trump will pull the plug on the submarines - Pillar 1 of the AUKUS agreement.

It might not be all that bad an idea, according to the ex-ADF officer. He points out that Australia's only strategic commitment to the containment of China is the alliance with the US, and our geographical location as a base of operations. On the tactical level, Australian forces come under Australian command; but strategically - “nuclear submarines, long-range bombers/missiles” - the US would be in command.

So, these expensive submarines, bought in peacetime, might well be taken out of Australia's control in wartime, even crewed by Australians.

It could be a better idea to offer the use of our ports for America's nuclear submarines, while we devote our defence spending to areas and equipment we can (with the will) produce ourselves.

Peter O’Brien also points out that Japan has diesel-electric submarines, quietly operating, and costing ten times less than the American nuclear ones.

It would be good to have nuclear submarines, but it shouldn't be at the cost of a “balanced and formidable conventional force”; one up to countering the recent, and earlier, “humiliations” visited on us by China.

However, the author is not convinced that much needed changes will be possible with “Handsome Boy at the helm”.

Sycophantic American arse lickers like this nobody O’Brien will say “contempt the Albanese government has shown towards the US". The truth is the Albanese government is making no more than token gestures of asserting Australian sovereign independence in the face of American bullying (from Trump). Its about time Australia ditched the so called "American Alliance" ANZUS< AUKUS, nonsense, and charted a far more independent non aligned course in world affairs. When it comes to spending Australia should concentrate on DEFENCE, and tell America to stick their belligerent militarism up their you know what, and we are not going to be a part of it!

Peter O’Brien, Phd, is an academic and ex-ADF regular officer. He is a published author of fiction and non-fiction books. He is a prolific contributor to magazines and organisations e.g. Quadrant and Spectator magazines. He is also involved in technology and Aboriginal/Torres Strait affairs.

He has suggested a plausible alternative to the sometime/maybe AUKUS deal as our contribution to the American alliance, without which Australia is virtually defenceless, thanks to years of neglect by the uniparty.

An interesting aside to defence: Australian companies are making drones, shells and weapons which they sell to overseas countries - but not to our own defence department.

Albanese trips - Xi 4 Trump 0 - could suggest to some people that he is playing for the wrong team; and we might now all be going to pay for it, with 200% tariffs on our $2 billion pharmaceutical exports, and 20% on copper exports. These things used to be exempt; but Australia used to be a very different country, and Albanese's ‘going-it-alone’ nonsense and dislike of Trump has removed any special status we had with the US.

Why the hell would America NOT pull out of AUKUS. There are plenty of islands in the Pacific who would like to replace Australia as a strategic piece of land to deal with China.

“... no Australian prime minister since the war has done more to damage our defence interests than Albanese”. (Peter Jennings, Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, ‘PM doesn't get it, but Curtin knew we needed the US’, July 8 2025)

It has been revealed that for 2.5 years of the first 3 years of the Albanese catastrophe, Defence Minister Marles was kept in the dark by his department; and he didn’t think to ask why.

ttbn, keep wheeling out the opinions of these far right warmoungers like Jennings, I'm sure the Usual Suspects totally agree, with all you say. Like other fools, all they want is to drag Australia into a war with China as an American toady.

Which country poses the greatest threat of military invasion in the world?
- United States of America.

China is ot going to invade us, it's us that will be used to attack them.
And all they do is pedal the idea of global threats to justify robbing the people for military spending on inferior weapons that wont make any difference against our so called 'adversaries' anyway.

You lot are as clueless as Donald Trump.

The West has been completely demilitarised.

Patriot Missile Stockpile Concerns Grow, Pentagon Claims It Has Enough
'After years of intercepting Russian weapons in Ukraine and recently engaging Iranian missiles, the Pentagon's supply of Patriots is a hot-button issue.'
http://www.twz.com/news-features/concerns-over-stockpile-of-patriot-missiles-grow-pentagon-claims-it-has-enough

“Two sources said Trump promised to immediately send 10 Patriot interceptors — fewer than had been planned in the paused shipment — and help to find other means of supply,” Axios stated.

Inside Trump's Patriot missile plans for Ukraine
http://www.axios.com/2025/07/08/trump-patriot-missiles-ukraine-germany

US only has 25% of all Patriot missile interceptors needed for Pentagon’s military plans
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/08/us-pentagon-military-plans-patriot-missile-interceptor

Russia Launches 741 Missiles & Drones on Ukraine

"In what Ukrainian authorities are calling the largest aerial assault since the war began, Russia launched 728 drones and 13 missiles in a single night on July 9. Explosions were reported across multiple cities, prompting nationwide alerts and emergency responses.

As Ukraine scrambles to recover, former U.S. President Donald Trump has escalated rhetoric against Vladimir Putin, vowing tougher sanctions and signaling stronger support for Ukraine if elected. The Trump-Putin fallout is now back in global spotlight amid this sudden surge in hostilities."

http://www.youtube.com/live/SvhxtvYeAqY

If Russia can send 741 missiles and drones in a single salvo, what will 10 Patriot inteceptors do to stop an attack?
I've been telling you all for years, US weapons are outdated JUNK.
If Russia can do that what do you think China can do?

NATO is Shocked: S-500 PROMETHEUS Shot down 15 British Storm Shadow Missiles over the Crimean Bridge
http://youtu.be/g8jJfA1cXD0

The most depressing thing is that Albanese exists in politics because the electorate allows him to. You don’t get a left-wing authoritarian leader without a left-wing authoritarian electorate. And the Australian electorate had Albanese’s first three years to judge what sort of person he is.

He deserves absolute condemnation for his history-ignorant rant about John Curtin, and his (Albanese's) trashing of the Australia-America alliance; his anti-Israel stance, and his permitting of increasing anti- Semitism. He is also preaching the exact opposite of what he refers to as ‘the Australian way’.

The pathetic Liberal party also must take a lot of the blame for this dreadful man not being dumped at the election.

The people who kept this arsehole in power need to know what his trashing of the US alliance could mean.

Australia is no longer protected by distance. China can damage us without leaving home

Three quarters of the 75-80 million people killed in WW11 were civilians, not combatants. The Australian Defence Force head, Admiral David Johnston, has said that Australians have to get their heads around the idea that Australia's involvement in future wars could very well be fought from/in Australia, not some country far away, as occurred with both World Wars, and minor actions in foreign countries aiding America.

And, with Albanese's attitude and inbuilt stupidity and arrogance, we could all be wiped out: including his left-wing admirers and sycophants.

As for the Chinese ambassador lecturing Australia on spending more on defence when we could be spending it on welfare (the Communist Chinese are so very strong on welfare!) Why did he even bother? Why does China even have an ambassador in Australia with Albanese already here.

I thought the U.S. was the defender of the 'Rules based order'
I'm glad they have pissed all over themselves and that stupid facade.

Read the whole article, juicy bits below..

US issues sanctions against UN official investigating abuses in Gaza
'Trump administration targets Francesca Albanese, a special rapporteur, in latest action against critics of Israel’s war'
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/09/israel-gaza-war-un-sanctions

>>In recent weeks, Albanese has issued a series of letters, urging other countries to pressure Israel, including through sanctions, to end its deadly bombardment of the Gaza Strip. The Italian national has also been a strong supporter of the international criminal court’s indictment of Israeli officials, including the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, for war crimes. She most recently issued a report naming several US giants among companies aiding what she described as Israel’s occupation and war on Gaza.

“Albanese’s campaign of political and economic warfare against the United States and Israel will no longer be tolerated,” the secretary of state, Marco Rubio, posted on social media. “We will always stand by our partners in their right to self-defense.”

Albanese has been the target of criticism from pro-Israel officials and groups in the US and in the Middle East. Last week, the US mission to the UN issued a scathing statement, calling for her removal for “a years-long pattern of virulent anti-Semitism and unrelenting anti-Israel bias”.

The statement said that Albanese’s allegations of Israel committing genocide or apartheid are “false and offensive”.<<

Australia looks like being asked to pay more for AUKUS.

The MSM, as usual, has got things bum over beak by saying that there is an ‘extra string’ attached in the form of a requirement that our submarines would come under the control of the US in times of conflict.

This is not new at all; that requirement has always been part of the Australia-US alliance, as I mentioned recently.

Albanese has 30 days to think about it. Let’s see how he manages to bugger it up, as he has everything else to do with our greatest ally, on whom we still rely for our defence one hundred percent.

I thought one of the articles I read was abould our Albo, sorry.

Regarding the US Virginia class subs for Australia
I say 'refund'.
Let the US keep them and do their own surveillance and attacking China.
We don't need the blowback in a war they're likely to lose, either militarily or economically.

DUMP AUKUS,
Tell them they can defend our country for free, only in case of direct attack or we will blow up Pine Gap ourselves.

According to journalist Nick Cater, we should not be expecting much from Albanese because it's been a long time since an Australian prime minister “remained upright long enough to take off the training wheels”.

He was referring specifically to last Friday's “flim flam” by Albanese passed off as a ‘keynote’ speech - insulting the memory of John Curtin and his relationship with America.

Cater contrasts this jerk's dangerous incompetence and hard-left ideology with the performances of John Howard and Bob Hawke.

When being interviewed on his appalling economic and growth record, Albanese blathered away, saying nothing convincing, including making up a ‘quote’ from Confucius that there is no record of the philosopher ever uttering. He also lied about something Bob Hawke didn't do 40 years ago.

Cater agrees that Australia's growth did start declining prior to Albanese taking office, but the real mess - noticed globally by economists - occurred over the past three years he was in office.

An IMF report “noted with alarm” that the 3.7% fall in productivity over the 3 years was one of the steepest drops on record. Weak investment, particularly in mining and a rigid economic system.

To that can be added net zero (hence unreliable and very expensive electricity); public service expansion, high taxation, and wild government spending.

The biggest BS to come from Albanese was the lie about Australia being a “stand-out destination for international investment”.

This bloke has nothing at all going for him - apart from the tyrannical discipline of the party preventing him from being relieved of command: thanks to his equally unlikeable bestie, Kevin Rudd.

In a further embarrassment for Australia, American Rabbi, Shumeley Boteach, has written to President Trump asking him to ban Albanese from entering the US for his lack of action on Jew-hatred and anti-Israel problems in Australia.

That would give Albanese another good excuse not to front up to Trump who, he has said, frightens the sh.t out of him. Who would have thought that we would ever have such a globally disreputable PM!

https://www.spectator.com.au/2025/07/confucius-says-wake-up-albo/

CM

Only received my digital version of Spectator today. I'm looking forward to reading that article and others. It's one of the things that keeps me sane and and arms me against the malignant idiots.

I have just finished watching on YouTube the feisty American rabbi who wants Albanese banned from the US. He said that Americans "used to love" Australia, pre-Albanese, who he sees as an abomination.

It has been said that the ADF is top heavy with brass. The RAN “has more admirals than it has ships”, and all that.

Even Albanese has been reported as thinking of trimming the number of senior officers more interested in woke and gender bending than in that nasty military stuff that most of them have never been personally involved in.

The RAAF higher echelons also have time on their hands for things other than their trade.

Air Marshal Leon Phillips has written a ‘cookbook’ - what used to be called a recipe book.

The Air Marshal believes in “the incredible power of food”.

That should put the wind up China; and they might add to their notorious 14 demands of Australia that Chinese recipes be included. There are none.

However, the book's title ‘A Taste of Harmony’ should reassure them that they have nothing to fear from the ADF.

Hi AC,

Always good to chat to a fellow Fashocommie like myself.

"I thought the U.S. was the defender of the "Rules based order'" Nah!, that's the job of the Mafia! The problem is those bloody third world dwellers, Koreans, Vietnamese, Afgans, Africans, Arabs etc and of course etc just don't follow the rules, which are very simple, in fact there is only one rule RULE NO 1 You do everything we say. How could the rules be any simpler. How come those selfish bastards can't follow the rules, after all there is only one very simple rule. We have told that mob that we are a peace loving people, but if they don't follow the rules, we'll have to bomb the sh!t out of them, and we have to do that constantly, cause they're not following the bloody rules! If you want to talk about the Chinese and the Russians well they're another john dory, they've got bombs like us, big ones, and they're not a peace loving people like us, so we might have to bomb the sh!t out of them as well. Now there's the likes of those silly Iranians and North Koreans, who think they to should have bloody big bombs, just like us! Now how would it be if we dropped a big bomb on them, and they came back and dropped a big bomb on us, that's not playing by the rules, we're the ones who drop the big bombs because we are a peace loving people!

I've never accepted the arguments favouring the AUKUS sub programmes. The timelines don't make sense.

The first sub will be ready for deployment some time around mid 2030s, one more a year or two later and a third a couple of year thereafter. So we are into the 2040s. Equally the subs we are going to build (if they ever happen) will hit the water in the 2040s and 2050s.

But, it'll all be over by then. The whole thing is about countering the Chinese attempt to establish a Pacific, if not a world, hegemony. However, given the demographic and industrial problems facing China, this play for hegemony will take place either late this decade or early in the 2030s.

By the time the subs are available for Australian use, China will have made its play and either be the established military leader in the Pacific or will have lost its one shot and be in terminal decline. Either way, the subs will be white elephants.

Far better that Australia look to weapons and systems that will matter when we need them to matter and leave the US and UK to do what they do best. We could open all our ports to US/UK military shipping today (that's actually envisaged by AUKUS anyway) and instead look to establishing northern Australia as fortress projecting out into the western Pacific. Imagine a series of military bases bristling with long and medium range missiles threatening any and all military activity around the Malacca Straits and the South China Sea.

We should be looking to obtain and/or construct hundreds, if not thousands, of such missiles as our contribution to deterring Chinese hegemony. We already have some expertise in drones, and this could be expanded to make us truly fortress Australia.

"I've been telling you all for years, US weapons are outdated JUNK." according to AC.

Hilariously he made this same claim a day or two before the US B-2 attack on Fedro etc proved his claim to be complete bunkum.

Still its funny to see that AC has now wiped the egg off his face and is back making the same silly assertion all over again having totally forgotten the facts that prove he's utterly wrong. That's the AC we've come to expect.

Trumpster,

Warmongering again I see, Fortress Australia, thousands of missiles. We certainly know who wants to start WWIII! Of course YOU and all the other warmonger's think you old farts will be kept warm and cosy, as well as safe, well away from any hostilities. Well my better idea is to get some old rust bucket, load YOU lot on board and ship YOU off to China where YOU can do an Mad Monk like shirt fronting of the Chinese! Some people are pathetic!

Paul,

There wasn't a single word in what I said that was calling for war. Just preparing for it if your beloved CCP decide to pull the trigger. Look up...that's the point going over your head.

Trumpster,

I'm not in favour of arming ourselves to the teeth, it would be belligerent, and an exercise in futility, considering the relative military capacities of both Australia and China. As a realists I favour a non aggressive, non aligned approach though diplomacy and dialog, and that extends to all our neighbours, including China. I have no trust in your Orange Man, he will put American self-interest as he sees it, above any consideration for Australia. That is not to say I do not support having a realistic domestic DEFENCE capability, that's rational need, can't escape that.

BTW, these thousands of missiles, you speak of, where are they coming from, and how are they being paid for?

"Hilariously he made this same claim a day or two before the US B-2 attack on Fedro etc proved his claim to be complete bunkum."

The attack that achieved nothing and probably didn't even penetrate into the deep underground bunker system says nuclear expert Ted Postal and other engineers?
- Hell, Pezeshkian even said they don't know what damage yet because they blocked all the entrances and even they can't get down there yet.
(Via Tucker Carlson interview)
To target what the enriched uranium that had already been moved in the week prior, (Israel achieved nothing - nuclear program set back a few months) whilst dozens of trucks were seen removing stuff as seen by satellite
(and fyi 500kgs of enriched uranium could've been moved by donkey)

and claimed by whom,
The US who had it's military base attacked in Qatar but quickly wanted a ceasefire because Israel got hammered, ran out of interceptors and could not sustain a war of attrition?

The same US that wants to send 10 interceptors (yes single interceptors not entire patriot batteries) to fight who Russia who will soon be able to launch 1000 drones and missiles a day?

And China, who has just one factory capable of making components for 5000 cruise missiles per day?

Go back to sleep numbnut.
You are as dumb as Trump the clueless flip-flopping moron, who changes his opinion from day to day like a windsock, pretends to be tough but but actually looks really weak,

Tells Zelensky off in the Whitehouse, but now goes crawling
"Me so sorry Mr Zelensky, let me lick your butt, but me can't provide you adequate missile defense, me so sorry"

Epstein client list?
What Epstein client list?

So much for make America great again.
His trade tariffs he's using like sanctions to punish political enemies and are sinking the country faster than ever.
What a joke, but that's what you get from an idiot, right?

Hi Paul,
When it come to common sense you beat mhaze by magnitudes.
I'm not sure he has much common sense at all tbh.

"As a realists I favour a non aggressive, non aligned approach though diplomacy and dialog, and that extends to all our neighbours, including China."

Yay!, someone with brains.
Few and far between round here lately...

"We should be looking to obtain and/or construct hundreds, if not thousands, of such missiles as our contribution to deterring Chinese hegemony. We already have some expertise in drones, and this could be expanded to make us truly fortress Australia."

- I told you ages ago fool, the country would be bankrupted within a week firing off overpriced and useless million dollar + interceptors at whatever China wishes to throw at us, and you'd have to station them all around the country the cost of which probably isn't feasible.

Don't you understand they flood the airspace with cheap drones or decoys and them feck your shite up with hypersonics which the west doesn't even have and can't easily stop with their outdated weapons systems?

You've obviously been reading too much overblown hype and not been paying attention to whats actually been happening on the battlefield.

Hi AC,

The Albanese high powered 6 day trip to China is worth billions to us in building the relationship both politically and economically. Far more important to Australia than it is to China. We have a trade surplus with China of about $70 billion/year. If China was Trump then they would wack a 145% tariff on us, but they are not that silly. As far as China is concerned they export about $3.5 trillion in goods and services per year, around $70 billion or 2% to Australia. Whose the Big Guy in this particular game.

Just as a side China actually spends less on militarism as a percentage of GDP than Australia does, China 1.7%, Australia 1.9%, America 3.4%. To match China's military spending Australia would need to part with 20% of its GDP. To match America, just spend it all. Then there is the question as to what you spend all this new found wealth on? I suggest the HMAS ALBO, a second hand US battle ship left over from WWII. As much sense as all those missiles Trumpster wants to deploy in Arnhem Land. Where does Trumpster think all those missiles are going to be manufactured? Down at his local Men's Shed!

Even though I've been able to demonstrate to the hilariously gullible AC that his favoured sources lied to him about all sorts of issues, he continues to beleive every word they utter and fall for all their lies. I guess it will always be thus. All we can do is sit back and giggle at how much he gets wrong and the mental gymnastics he has to go through to pretend otherwise.

'China actually spends less on militarism as a percentage of GDP than Australia does, China 1.7%,..."

It takes a special kind of naivety to believe official Chinese figures. Those who study such things know that China is spending closer to 5% of its real GDP on its military build-up. A while back I had to teach Paul that the Chinese navy is building vessels at a far greater rate than the US as it prepares itself for its imperialist ambitions. Paul ought to ponder where the money for that massive militaristic expansion is coming from if the numbers he falls for are true.

But back to the subs. The real threat from China will occur between now and 2040. But the main sub roll-out will occur after that and is therefore quite useless. After 2040 China will either be in irreversible decline or will have won its war of aggression and will dominate in ways that a few extra subs won't reverse.

People who don't know the difference between 'offence' and 'defence' are worry. You know, the type that describes people as "warmongers" if they want to defend themselves from possible aggressors.

China has made no bones about its plans for Taiwan. China - not Australia, not America, not Japan, not Vietnam, not the Philippines, - is doing the warmongering.

And, only the naive and halfwitted think that China will be satisfied just with taking over Taiwan.

If Australia does become involved in a conflict with China, these people, who clearly despise and hate Australia, will need to be rounded up and interned for the duration.

Hi Paul,
"Just as a side China actually spends less on militarism as a percentage of GDP than Australia does, China 1.7%, Australia 1.9%, America 3.4%..."
I'm not exactly sure your projected assumptions re China and the US are correct here, the 1.9% is correct though.
I think we spend 55bln, China spends around 250bln, but I'm not sure how to calculate that specifically in USD for comparison.
I looked back a while ago, and tried to work out by how much we'd have to spend to match Trumps 5% expectation.
What's really happening is that Trump wants EU countries to pay more so NATO can defend Ukraine I think, where America gets the weapons sales to bolster their own economy, while not having to foot the bill for a conflict which they started through NATO expansion and overthrowing the country in 2014 which cost them 5bln funded by USAID.

"Then there is the question as to what you spend all this new found wealth on?"
Well, if you are really talking about defense, and not being lackey to US conflicts such as a war with China, then the question your asking is how do we stop an invasion fleet and make it so costly to an adversary that it's not worthwhile trying.

[Cont.]
Drones, missiles, maybe mini-subs and mines, and a couple of subs with a nuclear weapon deterrent.
The cost of US weapons would be so great it would be better developing our own I think drones and missiles and we're so far behind, even for every single Iskander Russia fires at Ukraine they need 2 interceptors, so your looking at US$2million+ for every one fired at us, and we can't stop hypersonics, so an enemy can flood the airspace with $10k drones force us to exhaust all our interceptors and we cant stop the hypersonics from hitting their targets anyway.
Launching missiles with sea-mines could help but its a whole lot of sea to cover, mini-subs could be effective, but having a big sub with a nuclear deterrent could work, but only if we can get around our adversaries ability to shoot it down, which might be probable.
Even Indonesia has 280 million people, sucessfully fighting off an invasion on our shores could only be possible if we can make an enemies ability to resupply an invading force too costly.

So yeah, I'm no expert but I can only say 'difficult and costly' in any scenario, best to stay neutral, prioritise diplomacy over conflict and not get into wars in the first place.

"China has made no bones about its plans for Taiwan. China - not Australia, not America, not Japan, not Vietnam, not the Philippines, - is doing the warmongering."

Oh gawd here we go...

Do you not understand the US recognises Taiwan as a part of China, but at the same time it doesn't.

It's like the US saying this week that 'Yes we recognise Tasmania as a part of Australia' and next week they say 'We support democracy and Independence for the Tasmanians', when they wish to use it as a beachhead for their own hostile plans against us.
- Not our problem, let China and the Taiwanese figure it out themselves, it should stay a part of China, but have it's own autonomy without any foreign interference.

Similar to how Queensland's a part of the Commonwealth of Australia, but has it's own state laws.

"And, only the naive and halfwitted think that China will be satisfied just with taking over Taiwan."
China is already the industrial powerhouse of the planet, do you have any evidence they have imperialist expansionist plans on the planet?
How many military bases do they have in foreign countries as compared to the USA?

"If Australia does become involved in a conflict with China, these people, who clearly despise and hate Australia, will need to be rounded up and interned for the duration."

57,000 active personnel in ADF and 1.4 million Chinese living here.
Have fun rounding them up, the smart ones wont get caught, and what about those who are half-Chinese half-Australian?
Round up every family member who has contact with the Chinese mainland and has family there?
Good luck.

Again, best not to get into a conflict in the first place.
If the Chinese do wish to invade, we should just give it to them.
- Less costly than any alternative, (unless you wish to conscript every man and boy to fight a war we can't win anyway and bankrupts up within a few months, like the hapless Ukrainians)
We're 'multicultural' now, they already own half the place when we sold ourselves out.

As usual AC shows that he completely misunderstands the issues of the day....
"Do you not understand the US recognises Taiwan as a part of China, but at the same time it doesn't."

That's wrong. But of coarse, AC said it so the chances of it being right are small.

The US (and Australia for that matter) don't recognise Taiwan as being part of China. Instead they acknowledge that Peking makes that claim and the US takes no position either way on it. Australia, the US, the UK and many others "recognised the Government of the PRC as China's sole legal government, and acknowledged the position of the PRC that Taiwan was a province of the PRC", but "neither supports nor opposes the PRC position" on the matter." And in all cases they support the right of the Taiwanese to determine their destiny.

AC's silly Tasmanian analogy would only work if the Tasmanians wanted independence from Canberra.

But for dills like AC, if the CCP says it, it must be true.

While Albanese praised John Curtin for giving Australians the confidence to speak for ourselves, Albanese himself is doing everything but that: “cowering in mute submission” to Communist China. Some say that he is also wriggling away from the US alliance (that Curtin valued) without having the guts to admit that's what he is doing. Does he want to copy New Zealand and opt out of ANZUS?

Albanese has said nothing about Communist Chinese aggression towards Australia in the South China sea; the Tasman Sea, nor the live firing circumnavigation of our country. He reckoned there was nothing ‘unusual’ about such things. His henchwoman Wong even said it was “racist” towards Chinese people living in Australia to criticise China's blatant aggression. Being ethnic Chinese, born in Malaysia, perhaps she takes it personally. Which raises, for another time, the question of how clever it is to have multiculturals in an Australian government.

I'll leave mhaze to argue with the crackpot Armchair Critic, but I have to point out that the people I was referring to for internment were NOT Chinese Australians, but people like AC himself and that other wackjob who thinks defending Australia is "warmongering".

I have no problem with Chinese-Australians, whether their ancestors were here before mine, or they are recently arrived. My problem is with the likes of Albanese and his Communist-style government, and his far too close association with a Communist dictator.

ttbn,

>>I'll leave mhaze to argue with the crackpot Armchair Critic, but I have to point out that the people I was referring to for internment were NOT Chinese Australians, but people like AC himself and that other wackjob who thinks defending Australia is "warmongering".<<

This coming from a bloke who actually starts a thread on 'Which Path to Persia' policy papers but somehow thinks its Iran that's the threat not the US and Israel who wish to attack and overthrow other sovereign countries as part of decades of wars across the M/E that brought us all the Muslims he despises.

This coming from a bloke who wants to go to war with China to prevent their global hegemony, a war that cannot be won by the west and would lead to the death of every male between 19 and 65, not to mention the wives, girlfriends, kids, babies and grandparents and other innocents.

I think maybe it's you who needs to be placed into internment because you and all the others like you are an exponential threat to every peace loving Aussie out there.

If you want war, slap on your green fatigues and your jumpsuit on top, we'll give you a rifle and some ammo and we can parachute you in, we'll let the Chinese know you're own your way, to DEFEND Australian interests.

Fight to the last Australian!
All while the MIC and bankers profit off or deaths, because of war drive market volatility.
- And everyone of us will be dead, but a few will make some quick dollars no matter which way the war goes.

Maybe you can pop off some poor Chinese women / kids / babies like those good friends of yours the Israelis are doing....
- Before you get shot like a rabid dog and your corpse is left to rot when you fall.
Good luck I wish you every success.

Go fight your own fecking war, and leave the rest of us OUT OF IT.

Do your homework, schoolboy...

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

The Shanghai Communiqué:
This document, issued at the end of Nixon's visit, outlined the positions of both the US and China on various issues, including Taiwan.

U.S. Acknowledgment:
The US acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only one China and that Taiwan is part of China, but did not explicitly state that the PRC was the sole legitimate government.

Normalization of Relations:
This acknowledgment was a key element in the process of normalizing relations between the US and China, which ultimately led to the establishment of diplomatic relations in 1979.

One China Policy:
The US "One China policy" is a broader concept that has evolved over time and is based on the Shanghai Communiqué and other subsequent agreements. It involves acknowledging the Chinese position on Taiwan while maintaining unofficial relations with Taiwan.

*The US acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only one China and that Taiwan is part of China*
- Now run along and go back play on the monkey bars or in the sandpit, with all the other little kids.

"*The US acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only one China and that Taiwan is part of China*"

Yes they acknowledged it. That's what I said.

BUT they didn't endorse it. Didn't agree with it. Didn't comply with it.

They simply accepted that that was the Chinese position in order to move on.

Do try to keep up.

Hi again AC,

"The cost of US weapons would be so great". Of course, what Trumpster doesn't understand is for every taxpayer dollar spent purchasing military hardware from the American Military Industrial Complex, a large percentage of that dollar is taken in super profits by the Capitalists. I recall the days of Ronny Reagan when it was "discovered" the cost of a 1/2" mild steel bolt from the Complex cost the American taxpayer $100, 10c for the bolt, and $99.90 in super profit for the patriotic good guys! A little fact for Trumpster, an American built nuclear submarine costs around $5 billion, a Chinese equivalent cost around $750 million or about 15%. That's because the Chinese don't have any $100, 1/2" mild steel bolts in theirs. I think Australia is in line to spend $350 billon for 7 nuk subs, not all of them new, that's about $50 billion each! Its no wonder Trumpster can't understand how the Chinese are expanding their military and not spending like the Americans do. I don't want Albo meeting with Donald, Donald will most likly sell poor little Albo the Brooklyn Bridge for $100 billion, plus a 145% tariff in another one of his Donald deals!

Trumpster, playing the fool as a history revisionist once again!

From the Australian Government.

Following the defeat of the Kuomintang (KMT) forces by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in 1949, which established the People's Republic of China (PRC), with Beijing as its capital. The Australian Government continued to recognise the Republic of China (ROC) which had been established under Chiang Kai-shek on the island of Taiwan with a relocated capital at Taipei. This state existed until the establishment of diplomatic relations with the PRC in 1972. Australia's Joint Communiqué with the PRC recognised the Government of the PRC as China's sole legal government and acknowledged the position of the PRC that Taiwan was a province of the PRC.

Trumpster why are you such a nummy?

Four trips to suck up to a Communist dictator; no trips to be at least courteous to the leader of the free world, our main ally, and our only saviour from the country Albanese can't get enough of apparently.

Pretending to follow in John Curtin’s footsteps, Albanese is more like Bert Evatt, who was totally naive about Communism, if he wasn't a Communist himself, as many thought at the time, and still think now.

Of Evatt, Rebecca Weisser writes that when he was alerted to the presence of Russian spies in his office, the fool wrote to the Soviet foreign minister to ask if it was true. The Russian denied it - naturally, and Parliament had a good laugh at Evatt's expense.

Albanese's attempt to remain neutral between the US and China is the work of a lunatic.

China has made its intentions in the region very clear. The lunatic doesn't believe them.

Paul and AC compete to see who can misunderstand the facts the most. Normally AC has that locked up but I think this time Paul has it by a nose.

Just for the sake of Paul's failed understanding, the Joint Communique between Paul's beloved CCP and Whitlam's Australia read as follows:

"Australia acknowledged the position of the PRC that Taiwan was a province of the PRC", but "neither supports nor opposes the PRC position on the matter".

Somehow the nuance here eludes dills like AC and Paul. Australia said then and continues to say that they recognise that the CCP claims the rights to Formosa but they, Australia, neither agrees nor disagrees with that claim. Its a policy that's been around for more than 50 years. I wonder how long it'll take for the dills to understand it.

Countries like Australia, the US, the UK, France etc deliberately adopt a policy of ambiguity concerning China. But the simple-minded don't understand ambiguity.

Dump the submarines, get coastal missile stations. Cheaper, better all round. Less hassle too considering that idiotic DEI.

Trumpster, are you saying the Australian Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade are getting it wrong when they say;

"Australia's Joint Communique with the PRC recognised the Government of the PRC as China's sole legal government and acknowledged the position of the PRC that Taiwan was a province of the PRC."

Maybe your're referring to your own dimwitted communique on the subject, or is it something you got from Dangerous Doctor Donald.

First ttbn,
"Four trips to suck up to a Communist dictator; no trips to be at least courteous to the leader of the free world, our main ally, and our only saviour from the country Albanese can't get enough of apparently."
You don't seem to understand the bigger picture.
China is the rising global power and the USA is an empire in decline.
Maybe Albo understands something you don't.

Biden once commented to Putin, you're not a superpower anymore.
Putin responded, No but were still a big enough power to decide who the next superpower will be.

The US is haddit as is Europe.
The couldn't even stop the Houthis, couldn't even defend Israel, without having to call a ceasefite because Israel had ran out of interceptors, it's ports were destroyed and it was getting battered.
And you think they can take on China, or better still, Russia, China, Iran and North Korea as well?

Rebecca Weisser -> Danube Institute
http://www.spectator.com.au/author/rebecca-weisser/
Danube Institute -> Atlanticist National Security Policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube_Institute
Atlanticist -> NATO and US Hegemony, Russia hater.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanticism

"China has made its intentions in the region very clear. The lunatic doesn't believe them."
What because they are building defeses when the West openly talks about it's pivot to Asia?
Or because they said a ship around our country and help live firing exercises in international waters?
Maybe it was because we were happy to provoke them first with surveillance aircraft inside the South China Sea and sailing warships up the Taiwan Strait?

Paul
"Trumpster why are you such a nummy?"
- He's about intelligent as Donald Trump himself. (Not very)
Good job making him look foolish.

Bezza and everyone.
This is why Garland Nixon is smarter than everyone here, myself included.
It's a long video but you might all learn something.

TRUMP'S UKRAINE POLICY HAS COLLAPSED, AS HAS HIS PRESIDENCY
http://www.youtube.com/live/oGRRj3BfjjE

mhaze,
I'll get to you soon enough...
Not sure I have a comment available yet.

Definitions from Oxford Languages
acknowledge

verb

1.
accept or admit the existence or truth of.
"the plight of the refugees was acknowledged by the authorities"

2.
recognize the importance or quality of.
"the art world has begun to acknowledge his genius"

The word acknowledge seems pretty clear to me
- Not ambiguous as you claim it to be.

I'm going to say this again, and if none of you understand it, then your living in the past and do not have a hadle on current global events.

'The US is haddit as is Europe.
The couldn't even stop the Houthis, couldn't even defend Israel, without having to call a ceasefite because Israel had ran out of interceptors, it's ports were destroyed and it was getting battered.
And you think they can take on China, or better still, Russia, China, Iran and North Korea as well?'

And if you want it all laid out for you in plain language, watch the video above or remain with your heads in the sand.

Western weapons system are outdated, not fit to task and their stockpiles are depleted.
Israel was battered by Iran in 12 days, how will the US fight a war with adversaries like Russia and China?
The West has been demilitarised and has no industrial capacity to fight any serious competitor.

Wake up.

Mad. While Albanese fluffs his feathers in front of the Chinese dictator, the ADF will be looking out for the same dictator’s spy ships, which will be spying on the biannual Talisman Sabre wargames between Australia and the US. The Communists have been snooping each time the events are held.

Trading with a country that is already waging a grey war against your own country is nuts.

US demands to know what allies would do in event of war over Taiwan
'Trump administration raises eyebrows by calling for commitments from Australia and Japan'
http://www.ft.com/content/41e272e4-5b25-47ee-807c-2b57c1316fe4

The official said the administration was confident that Japan and Australia would boost defence spending more quickly than European allies had.

“We don’t think it should — nor can it — take 20 years. Not just because it is in our interests, but because it is so much in the Indo-Pacific allies’ interests as well.”

How is it in our interests.
And why would China invade unless the US talks up a war and provokes one?
- Our trade with USA is 77 bln, where as our trade with China is 312 bln.
It's not in our interests to boost defense spending on overpriced weapons that are outdated and useless, put ADF personell in harms way and destroy our economy costing jobs and Assies food on the table by putting trade with China at risk.
Tell America to shove it, and we'll take a refund on the subs, they are going to command them in wartimes, they may as well man them as well.

Trade trumps geopolitics as Australia PM visits China
http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7vrjlp5zdvo

Paul1405 perhaps wants to disarm Australia so that China takes over. I don't see him objecting to Chinese armament. Classic communist tactic- disarm the population then tyrannize it.

Hi AC,

Just on military spending,

Why are we paying $50 billion each for the "General Motors" Nuk Subs from America with the $100 1/2" mild steel bolts fitted, and shag pile carpet on the toilet seats with no warranty on the never never plan. WHEN the Chinese have the "Great Wall" model going out for only $750 million, immediate delivery in a choice of colours, 10 year unlimited kilometer warranty, free service for 5 years, but no snag pile carpet on the toilet seats. Why is that. Even 'Demtel' are advertising Nuk Subs on the telly for $49.95 billion each plus $9.95 delivery, AND its buy one, get one free, ALSO if you call within the next 15 minutes they will throw in a free set of steak knives. AND if your're not completely satisfied you can return the subs within 30 days for a full refund of the purchase price. I'll check out "Temu' as well, they've got everything from paper clips to rocket ships. I bought a intercontinental ballistic missile from 'Temu' during their 24 hour sale for only $19.95 adding that to my purchase of a dozen pairs of undies it got me over the $50 minimum and it was free delivery.

"the plight of the refugees was acknowledged by the authorities"
Armchair critic,
Yes and, The Palestinian Authorities started the whole shamozzle. China on the other hand has already begun the downhill curve as it has a few times before. America has a chance to regroup as does eastern Europe. Western Europe is at a crossroads of having many stupid & not enough with enough sense.
The Middle East can't recover as long as there are people so silly as to keep voting for mayhem. Australia has a chance of recovery if the stupid can be made to see that voting for Labor will not achieve recovery.
Russia is on the road to stability & soon their present opponents will come to realise that for the good of all.
The biggest war we're facing is stupidity & greed which comes from stupidity. we see it on a local level, a national & international level. Without stupidity, we'd hardly have any problems whatsoever. Shame the Woke are hell-bent on being asleep !

Given Albanese's big suck-up to China, and his flagrant snubbing of America, there is every reason to believe that Australia is being eased into Beijing's influence.

Apart from the moral repugnance, and the threat to Australia's sovereignty and safety, it could be curtains for the economic benefits greedily sought after if Australian Washington-based strategist, Greg Copley's belief that China's coming “descent into chaos" is true, along with rumours that Xi will be sidelined.

Albanese's “Australian way” and “independence” from America is belied by his fascination with China. Not to mention his underfunding of defence, and his pretence of support for AUKUS.

While China regards Albanese as its own creature, it also regards him with contempt; they don't admire weaklings. They didn't even bother to advise the fool that they were going to conduct naval exercises off Australia's coast.

No wonder Albanese is frightened of Donald Trump.

What can Australians do about it? Well, not much. We no longer have an Opposition. And with the shocking mess the Albanese government has made of the economy, Australians are totally occupied paying their bills and surviving.

There is little likelihood of poor people forming a mass movement with demands governments have to listen to. That's how China became a Communist dictatorship. We shouldn't kid ourselves that Australia will not go the same way.

"Trumpster, are you saying the Australian Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade are getting it wrong when they say;"

No. They get it right. You just don't understand what they are saying.
I really can't help you here. I've dumbed it down as much as I can for you and your armchair BFF. Again, we acknowledge that the CCP thinks Taiwan is their possession, but we don't officially adopt a policy on that issue. Which part of ""neither supports nor opposes the PRC position" goes over your head?

Oh, how irksome is the poor Trumpster, his comprehension skills are at the same level as that of a Three-Toed Sloth with a hangover! Once more for the nummy.

Until 1972 Australia recognised the Republic of China as the legitimate government of the whole of China. In 1972 all that changed with official recognition taken from the government of the ROC in Taipei, and bestowed on the PRC government in Beijing.

Joint Communiqué, Trumpeter that means the Australian government and the Chinese government were speaking as one and in total agreement. They said jointly; (They) recognised the Government of the PRC as China's sole legal government and acknowledged the position of the PRC that Taiwan was a province of the PRC. Are you claiming the PRC and Australia, as they spoke jointly were both saying Taiwan is a separate independent country to the rest of China.

Mate, you should be in the diplomatic service, they sure could use another bod like you to carry bags and clean toilets!

Hi Paul,
Western weapons companies are profit driven like any normal business, on the other hand Russia's is not profit driven and they kept their industrial capacity intact with a means to ramp it it whenever necessary.

mhaze is a bit like Trump he bloviates all the time to effect, and then walks away claiming victory when he loses.

Hi again AC,

Our dear Trumpster is rather delusional. At one time he was claiming China had a "bigger" navy than the US. The elite attack weapons in a modern navy are nuclear submarines of which China has 12 and US has 68. What the poor chap was doing was a straight one for one comparison, yes indeed China numerically does have a "bigger" navy than America, when you count all the row boats the Chinese posses compared to the Americans.

Albanese reiterated today in Shanghai Australia's position on China/Taiwan, which is to maintain the status quo, basically a situation of a Mexican standoff. The Joint Communiqué of 1972 still hold true.

p/s Trumpster must also believe if he has 100 5 cent pieces, and all you have is one $100 bank note, he has a 100 times more money than you. Strange logic from the lad.

"mhaze is a bit like Trump he bloviates all the time to effect, and then walks away claiming victory when he loses."

This from the bloke who is still wiping the egg off his face over his decoy B-2s debacle. He even admitted he got it hopelessly wrong but now pretends otherwise.

"At one time he was claiming China had a "bigger" navy than the US."

Well that's disappointing. ITs rare that Paul learns a lesson from his innumerable gaffs, but the question regarding the Chinese navy was one such time. He even admitted he'd got the numbers wrong. But it seems he's long since forgotten that and gone back to his imbecilic claims.

"This from the bloke who is still wiping the egg off his face over his decoy B-2s debacle. He even admitted he got it hopelessly wrong but now pretends otherwise."

I admitted I got it wrong when new info came to light.
What of it, I admit it when I'm wrong and then I move on.
You could've just presented a link to it when you stated it.

Trumpster,

I was referring to "bigger" in capacity, strength, fire power, capability, deployment. YOU were simply referring to the numerical number, which is of little value, I could say Tuvalu has the worlds biggest navy with its 10,000 canoes, that would be meaningless in the context when sensible people talk about such things. How can you equate a nuk sub to a row boat?

The poor Trumpster, when he goes shopping he always buys grapes instead of oranges he gets a bigger number of grapes than oranges for the same price. Ah, the blokes a fool!

Look, I'll tell you all something that these current conflicts should make apparent by now.

The United States CANNOT provide air defense capabilities to defend against large scale attacks from modern drones (either armed or decoy) ballistic, cruise and hypersonic missiles combined.

The U.S wants to sell us US$1 million + interceptors, and an enemy can flood the airspace with hundreds of drones, not only does the U.S. not have the industrial capacity to produce that many interceptors, (and nor can we afford to station that many along our coastline, even if it could, if they are used up defending the drone attack, they won't be able to reload fast enough to defend against incoming ballistic and cruise missiles, and IN ANY CASE, they can't stop the hypersonics from hitting their targets, which will knock out our air defenses either way, paving the way for an invasion.

So even IF an adversary has plans on invading us, there's nothing we can do to stop a determined adversary from doing so, WITH or WITHOUT U.S. weapons.

We are effectively counting of the U>S. nuclear deterrent.
Now on that score, lets say China decided to attack us, they could land troops on our shores if they send enough troop transports, we don't really have the means to stop them, we'd be in a long protracted war of attrition, and how long can we last without fuel, do you not think oil refinerites and shipments of crude would be targeted?
How much artillery and ammunition for small arms can we produce?
And if we are hit with a nuclear weapon, will the U.S. risk Washington being hit by more modern nuclear weapons that U.S. air defenses can defend against to retaliate?

And of U.S. nuclear weapons, which are 30 years old, can our adversaries not defend against those with their modern weapons, would they even be successful, and with their age would they even work.

[Cont.]
That's the ground war, as for Naval, China's shipbuilding industrial capacity is 200 times more than the U.S. our adversaries submarines would shadow any strike force and attack it before it ever got close enough to do real harm and the strike force would not last long with modern carrier-destroying hypersonics in a large attack, and could not be refuelled as all the refueling points would also be taken out.

Which leave nuclear subs, which can only do limited damage with existing weapons systems, as our adversaries have newer and better missiles to counter theirs with, which brings us to nuclear war, and 6 billion dead in 72 minutes.

And like I said our adversaries may be able to shoot ours down with their hypersonics, but we may not be able to defend against theirs.

So all in all, it's a fools errand.
We don't carry the big stick, our adversaries outmatch our capabilities on every level.

Militarily the country would be destroyed as would all our military, we'd be bankrupted and our kids would spend the new 50 years slaves to government debt and we'd still lose.

And finally, looking at the trade numbers, we're far better off worrying about jobs and selling our goods than the smaller trade we do with the U.S. and becoming entangled in wars they provoke to maintain hegemony, when they're a declining empire with ageing and outdated weapon systems and military industrial capacity, and BRICS accounts for more than half the global population and de-dollarisation continues.

So wake the hell up!

Present immigration policies make worrying about defending Australia pointless !

Hilariously we have dumb and dumber holding completely different views on China's forces but simultaneously thinking they are both right. AC keeps telling us that the PLA forces are so great and efficient that they'll easily defeat the US if it comes to that. Paul, OTOH, wanting to pretend his beloved CCP are pacificism personified and deny that they are spending hugely on armaments, thinks their navy are all rowboats. So rowboats will defeat the US navy and invade Australia...or something.

Yet the new BFFs both agree that each is right. In the same way that the issue of recognition of Taiwan's status went over their head, the illogicality of all this will do likewise.

Lets look at China / Taiwan.
If I was the leader of China and I was making military plans to take Taiwan, do you not think they would have assets in place IN TAIWAN to take out the leadership? And how can Taiwans patriots defend against large scale drone, cruise, ballistic and hypersonic missile attacks?
They will lose their air defenses, communications, airfields, ports, refineries, and power generation in the first few hours even satellites will be targeted, and then their will be thousands of landing craft and amphibious tanks encroach on the place, how will the west stop this?
U.S bases in Japan, Philippines, South Korea etc. will all be taken out, including refueling capabilities, what can the West do to stop it? You think North Korea would't join the fight?

The U.S. will try to blockade China's sea lines of communication preventing oil shipments from Iran but how successful will that be, they just tried to take out Iran and failed there.

You think China wouldn't have secret underground fuel storage for just this scenario and also have oil and gas supplies from Russia?

Do you really want a world war against Russia, China, Iran and North Korea?
And where will the BRICS nations sit, they are sick of the U.S bully and their sanctions so who will they side with?
What will India do, with tariffs and 500% sanctions on Russian oil?

"Present immigration policies make worrying about defending Australia pointless !"
- Yes Indy, when our 57,000 ADF personnel are otherwise occupied with an active conflict, who will round up the 1.5 million Chinese?

The whole entire thing is just stupid.
But the elites would try anyway, and you know why?
Because we are vassal states, and as such we are merely tools and canon fodder, even America on some level isn't even required as all the moneymen are not globalists, they keep all their funds in tiny island tax havens, and don't make their money as they once did in the industrial era. The West is a strange new empire with financialised economies and they make their money on oil futures and things like that, not building things.

And furthermore, all this warmongering will push all our countries towards bankrupcy, all the money in the hands of the elites invested to make more money with the average joe blow struggling to mak ends meet will see people wanting socialism and communism all over again.

Remember what Klaus Schwab said: 'You will own nothing and be happy'
It might be prudent to consider how they will they achieve that aim?

"The United States CANNOT provide air defense capabilities to defend against large scale attacks from modern drones (either armed or decoy) ballistic, cruise and hypersonic missiles combined."

That's true. But then again neither can any other nation. With the current level of technology, the drone, if there are enough of them, will always get through. Russia has already suffered significant drone attacks and is clueless as to how to stop them.

Of coarse, while the US systems in association with the Israeli systems, can't stop all drones if attacked with enough of them, they are better than any other nation on the planet at taking out most.

It is reported that Taiwan, taking lessons from Ukraine, are now building over 10,000 drones of various categories per month. Military planners in Peking will be burning the midnight oil trying to work out how that affects their imperialistic plans.

But its interesting that AC just talks about how Russia, China, Iran etc will always be able to hit with their drones. Not that he' understand it, but AC is basically admitting that these are the aggressor nations who are prepared to indiscriminately attack civilians to further their avaricious plans while the US et al seek to protect their and their allies civilian lives.

Still, we already know that AC always supports the aggressor nations.

We "already know" that AC is off his rocker.

"That's true. But then again neither can any other nation. With the current level of technology, the drone, if there are enough of them, will always get through. Russia has already suffered significant drone attacks and is clueless as to how to stop them."

That's not true, do you khow abouts Russia's Pansir S upgrade?
It's now equipped with laser technology, and the West does not have an system equivalent to the Pansir S sort range air defense.

Russia Unveils Next-Gen Pantsir System—Now Armed with Laser Weapons!
http://youtu.be/zi73PoLVBF8

"Of coarse, while the US systems in association with the Israeli systems, can't stop all drones if attacked with enough of them, they are better than any other nation on the planet at taking out most."
- You mean their whole entire air defense air defense including interceptors fired from Jordan, and from ships in the Mediterranean?

Houthis fired 1 hypersonic missile at Israel, what happened?
Israel couldn't take it down.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/17/yemens-houthis-file-hypersonic-missile-at-israel-what-to-know

"But its interesting that AC just talks about how Russia, China, Iran etc will always be able to hit with their drones. Not that he' understand it, but AC is basically admitting that these are the aggressor nations who are prepared to indiscriminately attack civilians to further their avaricious plans while the US et al seek to protect their and their allies civilian lives."

- That's a joke if ever I heard one coming from someone who backs the Israelis who killed 400,000 Palestinians so far, and also the Ukrainians who target civillians in the Donbass and Kursk.

The West are so full of it.
Putins using cluster munitions! (they claim).
So the UK and USA send cluster bombs and depleted Urainiam.
And your boyfriend Trump screams Putin's killing so many people, the loss of life is just terrible!

Trumps a fat pathetic orange faced liar.
Doesn't say a word about the bombs hes sending to Israel killing hundreds of thousands of women and kids.

The west is all propaganda, hype and lies.
They couldn't take out the Houthis, they couldn't defend Israel, screamed for a ceasefire even after their base in Dubai got hit and had a communications dome destroyed.
And you fools want to take on the whole bang lot, send our kids to die, which will be their job as vassal states, just like the Ukrainians, and the Taiwanese.

"Still, we already know that AC always supports the aggressor nations".
- Ah yeh, and who has 900 military bases dotted all across the globe...

You lot are a joke, dumber than a box of rocks.
Stupid is one thing but sending someone else to do it is unconscionable.

Tell me who here would send their ow sons to fight Mike Tyson?
Anyone?

ttbn, just because you like Israeli testicles slapping against your chin and think I'm unaustralian because I don't wave the Israeli flag before all others and wish to get us all killed fighting China there's no need to throw stuff around when your brain is living in the 1960' to 1980's.

Uncle Sam is not a spritely young 35yo in his prime.
He in his late 80's, his sights gone, he's deaf, prostates had it, ticker's barely still ticking, has trouble walking without a frame etc. Needs a scooter to get around.

Somehow you morons think that when the U.S. can't even take care of the Houty they can succeed against China, and their 2 million man army of devout confucious-marxists, you wish to pit them against the West fat lazy whiny overwieght slob DEI?

The U.S. couldn't even reach it's own recruitment targets until Trump came in talking about stopping overseas wars, and America first.
But that was all a lie, Trumps job is to try and save the American empire, not stop the conflicts.

What a joke.

You want our fat lazy slob kids who can't even take the wheelie bins out - to fight these people?
http://youtu.be/XbKJf18DddE?t=280

Remember the mentally-challenged-lesbian-looking woman Captian in charge of that NZ ship Manawanui that sank?
"All personnel are to try to get to the loo before they get in the liferaft."
- These are the poorly trained DEI halfwits you want to fight the Chinese with?

AC's become quite overwrought as his world-view unravels.

He creates this fantasy world about how the China/Russia/Iran axis is winning everywhere and loses all self-control when shown his fantasy world is...well, a fantasy.

He's created this fable about Israel begging for a ceasefire with the Mullahs when even the dullest of observers could see that Iran was on its knees, its nuclear programme buried, its armament factories destroyed, its airforce grounded and terrified to show its head, its air defences no more. But poor old AC has convinced himself otherwise and gets distraught to find it ain't so.

And the latest fantasy? Russia has a new super-dooper laser weapon to take out drones. We saw how well this bit of vapourware worked when Ukraine took out Russian Su-34 400 km inside Russia, not to mention drone strikes in Siberia and Russia's arctic. But in AC=land none of that happened because his 'sources' didn't mention it.

And now, as he loses his mind, he talks of "Israel killing hundreds of thousands of women and kids". Facts are the least of AC's concerns.

As an aside, "Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has issued sweeping new orders to fast-track drone production and deployment, allowing commanders to procure and test them independently and requiring drone combat simulations across every branch of the military."
The full weight of the might of the US industry will be devoted to new drone technology. Game, set and match.

As the US muscles up to match the Chinese in the arms race China started, as the Russian front unravels for Putin, as Iran licks its wounds, as the Houthis, Hezbullah, and Syrians try to find a way to live without the umbrella of Iranian support, it is becoming increasinly unlikely that the Chinese will have the will or the wherewithal to threaten Formosa and that therefore our 2050 nuclear subs will be surplus to requirements

Who knows whether or not the US at this moment could overcome China on its own. That's why the alliance with Australia is being discussed. China would not just have to deal with the US alone.

Think Japan, Australia, Philippines, Vietnam the UK, Europe, Canada.

And there are 20 plus countries currently involved in operation Talisman Sabre, clearly showing China what it is up against.

There are more countries than not who won't bow down to a Communist dictatorship like China. China doesn't have that many friends. And it's having quite a few more problems, not known to Google goofs, Guardian readers and lunatics screeching hatred on the internet.

China needs to be contained, not fought.

As for AC's continual Jew-hating rants, the Jews have been dealing with arseholes, who use more than childish words, and winning, for a very long time. They will continue to do so.

"He's created this fable about Israel begging for a ceasefire..."

Iran fought an 8 year war against Iraq from 1980 to 1988, and you think pissweak little Israel destroyed them in 12 days?

You still wont admit the real aims of Israels attack, decapitate the Iranian leadership.
When that failed, Iran quickly reorganised, trashed Israel and Bibi was begging for a ceasefire, even the U.S. base in Qatar was hit.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-12/pentagon-confirms-irans-attack-qatar-base-dome-us-communications/105524594

http://www.timesofisrael.com/katz-says-israel-sought-to-kill-khamenei-but-didnt-find-an-opportunity/

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/nasrallah-style-operation-israel-plotted-to-kill-irans-president-pezeshkian-report-claims-secret-plan/articleshow/122416850.cms

How about you admit you were wrong for once, fool?

US Base is struck by Iran, Israel is hammered, Iran threatens to block Strait of Hormuz and the US wants a ceasefire?
What planet are you living on?
The bully isn't in charge anymore.

As for the nuclear program there was no radiation contamination detected, the strike was unsuccessful, theatre, because everything had been moved prior to US airstrikes.

Iran Removed Nuclear Materials From Fordow Hours Before US Bombing? Explosive Satellite Images Out
http://youtu.be/EWJTKEGDT_c

"Russia has a new super-dooper laser weapon to take out drones..."
- Might not be widely in service yet, the drones were launched from shipping containers close to the airfields, the reason why the nuclear bombers were left out in the open was this condition was a part of START treaty

http://www.intellinews.com/start-missile-treaty-exposed-russia-s-nuclear-bombers-to-ukrainian-drone-attack-384158/

Ah Su-34 sorry... who cares, it's not going to win you any wars.

"And now, as he loses his mind, he talks of "Israel killing hundreds of thousands of women and kids"

Harvard Study Finds Israel ‘Disappeared’ Nearly 400,000 Palestinians in Gaza, Half Children
http://www.hlrn.org/activitydetails.php?id=qG5lZQ==

'Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has issued sweeping new orders to fast-track drone production...'
Yes I saw his address on the Pentagon front lawn.
Pete's got a few quad-copters... sorry 'planning'
http://youtu.be/LsYaNM8GAhw
woop doop

"Game, set and match."
Years behind.

'Russian front unravels for Putin'
Russia's close to launching 1000 drones and missiles a day.

http://youtu.be/7K6hZCXBr8I
12 Iskanders in one night.
That requires 2 patriot interceptors for each
Trumps grandstanding about sending 10 interceptors, they won't last a single night.
http://www.axios.com/2025/07/08/trump-patriot-missiles-ukraine-germany

You're wrong on everything, don't know anything
- listening to hype to buy your continued support.

Hi AC,

It seems telling it like it is, is a Jew hating rant. So much for freedom of speech in this brave new world, and its rules based order. BTW, where does one obtain a copy of dem der RULES? Trumps Whitehouse! Instead of a bunch of American imposed rules, which obviously totally favour America, why not try some peace and harmony for a change and stop the killing, and stop the misery that is the situation now. What I want to see is de-escalation through disarmament, dialog and diplomacy. The world wastes about $2.5 trillion on militarism yearly, that money could be better spent on reliving the never ending cycle of human suffering.

AS for Operation "Saber Rattling" in northern Australia just little boys playing with their big boys toys, once again!

Just as a side, I have a friend living in Sydney from Taiwan, her parents, and most of her family still live there. Although she is very anti communist, she is worried about the situation back home, and sees America as using Taiwan as some kind of pawn in a stupid power game. All my friend wants is for her family to be free from war and threats, living peaceful happy lives. I don't think that is too much to ask. p/s She wants Taiwan to be its own country, free from Communist China, not being used the way it is by America, just doing its own thing. Can't disagree, a great ideal, but not possible at the moment.

Here's and article that looks at Israel V's Iran and the level of destruction that occurred in 12 days.
Israel was trying to decapitate the leadership and install the Shahs son. Includes maps and images.

Findings on an Illegal War that the West Enthusiastically Waged and Lost
http://sonar21.com/findings-on-an-illegal-war-that-the-west-enthusiastically-waged-and-lost/

This is a short but really in depth video on the China, Russia and Iran's hypersonic missiles, must watch.

China, Russia, and Iran have hypersonic missiles. And that changes everything.
http://youtu.be/QXvVs8RcbSg

US policy planners are looking to use AI to implement the Wolfowitz doctrine, they're also looking at limited nuclear strikes.
They know the window of opportunity to attack China will close by 2030, as China will become too strong for them to do successfully.

Taiwan Could Become the Next Ukraine — Taiwanese Politician Joanna Lei Warns
http://youtu.be/AUz7xNfiXJY

The US plans to use Taiwan as it's proxy to provoke China into war, just as they did with Ukraine.

Hi Paul, there's a number of military exercises going on in the Pacific in the coming weeks.
I stated earlier the best thing would be for China and Taiwan be left to figure things out on their own without foreign interference, but it doesn't work like that.
America will gather and rally all it's subservient vassal states and try to start a war anyway.
The US is an empire and the job of vassal states that are controlled politically is to serve the empire, including being used as a proxy for war, and their people being sacrificed, to fight and die for the sake of the empire, if necessary.

I give up that old fool AC. He lives in a fantasy world based on unerring belief in the fantasies his click-bait sources feed him.

Oh well...one more...

"even the U.S. base in Qatar was hit."

Its hilarious he thinks that was a valid attack. Iran first off advised the Qataris and the US that the attack was coming, giving precise details about what they would aim at, which wasn't the bases but the areas around them. They also advised precisely when the 'attack' would come. When they fired their few rockets, the US allowed them to continue, knowing that nothing of any importance was being targeted. The bombs duly landed without causing the slightest damge or injury. The mullahs immediately then pretended that they'd struck back and asked for a ceasefire.

It was all performance art for their own citizens so they could claim to have not been totally defeated. Its beyond funny that, while most of their citizen saw through the smoke and mirrors, dllls like AC fell hook line and sinker.

The “healthy relationship” Albanese burbles about with China is one with a Communist Dictatorship that arrests journalists, spies on students, uses slave-labour, intends to invade Taiwan, and continually threatens peace in the Indo-Pacific. Nice!

When asked, during a smirking session with his Communist mates, if he was any closer to a meeting with ally Donald Trump, Albanese replied, “OK look, I'm focused here in China”.

Albanese can see the importance of “people to people relationships” between Australian business people and their “Chinese counterparts”; just not person to person between himself and President Trump. Communist dictator, good. Leader of the free world, bad.

It took slack-arse Australian officials and politicians 16 months to declare that Maha Almassri aka ‘Gaza Gran’ did not meet the character test for a visa, and bundled her off to Villawood.

Immediately, Palestinian activists (who should be deported with her) started protesting outside Tony Burke's office (yes, Tony Burke, champion of the Jew-haters) shouting, “Tony Burke, you can’t hide, you’re supporting genocide” and “Death, death to the IDF”.

Australian antisemitism, more correctly Jew-hatred, is the direct result of a policy of multiculturalism that has permitted certain Jew-hating communities and cultural beliefs from the Middle East and North Africa to entrench themselves with impunity in the suburbs of our cities.

mhaze,
"Its hilarious he thinks that was a valid attack. Iran first off advised the Qataris and the US that the attack was coming, giving precise details about what they would aim at, which wasn't the bases but the areas around them...
The bombs duly landed without causing the slightest damage or injury."

Forgot to add the link, but it's great to see you make a bigger fool of yourself a second time than you did first time around.

It's hilarious to think that you buy into every bit of bs you're spoonfed, by the all powerful U.S.
Yes Iran gave warning, still couldn't stop the attack on the largest U.S. base in the region.

Even when I provide you with a link to an article that says
'Pentagon confirms Iran's attack on Qatar air base hit dome used for US communications',
still too stupid find out for yourself, the jokes on you, what an idiot.

Would you like to admit you're wrong, or will you double down on stupid for a second time put your tail between your legs and skulk away claiming victory, again?

Photos from the ground showing the damage inflicted on a communications antenna at the American Al Udeid airbase in Qatar.
http://x.com/squatsons/status/1944731113261277267

Satellite imagery revealed that an Iranian ballistic missile destroyed a radome at the U.S. 'Al-Udeid' Airbase in Qatar
The U.S. and Qatar had claimed no damage had been done to the base.
http://x.com/squatsons/status/1943418520773046282

Maybe if you clicked my links you'd actually learn something.

ttbn,
"Albanese can see the importance of “people to people relationships” between Australian business people and their “Chinese counterparts”; just not person to person between himself and President Trump. Communist dictator, good. Leader of the free world, bad."

The fat pathetic clueless orange faced man is a lying sack of manure, and also he's unhinged, and also the Epstein saga will completely unravel his presidency, and as soon as he loses his MAGA base, the wolves are going to pounce on him and eat him alive.

Albo is right to steer clear of him.

"Australian antisemitism, more correctly Jew-hatred, is the direct result of a policy of multiculturalism that has permitted certain Jew-hating communities and cultural beliefs from the Middle East and North Africa to entrench themselves with impunity in the suburbs of our cities."

Are you like actually retarded ttbn?
Were you like dropped on your head at birth or something?

That in your mind hundreds of thousands of slaughtered women and kids mean absolutely NOTHING to you, and you justify everything as people just having a built-in genetic-type hatred for Jews.

If you actually believe that, then you must really be a few beers short of a carton.

Not to mention that the reason WHY they are both HERE and why they are ANGRY
- IS BECAUSE OF Israels wars in the M/E and North Africa.

You people are so clueless.
I could forgive you if you were simply ignorant.
But constantly talking shite, when I've told you the facts over and over again, (and you've even shared the policy papers) means you get nothing but scorn and ridicule.

General Wesley Clark: War in 7 Countries, in 5 Years Speech
http://youtu.be/x17KVOiiGfI
"...Starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off (with) Iran"

"'Pentagon confirms Iran's attack on Qatar air base hit dome used for US communications',"

That's what I said. They hit nothing of consequence and there were no injuries. That's why the mullahs pre-advised of the attack. They were terrified that they'd actually hit something that mattered or worse still kill or injure Americans which would have then invited a US response. Given that their air defences were non-existent after 12 days of Israeli pounding, the last thing they wanted was to invite the US to add to their misery. So they gave warning of their miniscule 'attack' and once they'd gone through the pantomime they rushed to get a ceasefire.

But your click-bait sources will tell you differently and you, as usual, will fall for it.

The other interesting thing to come out of the 12 day Israeli pounding they received was that none of their supposed allies lifted a finger to help them - not Russia, not China or North Korea or Pakistan. They all stood by and let the Israelis do whatever they wanted to the mullahs. Oh, China did make one move - to tell the Iranians to not close Hormuz since China would be the main victim of that. And the Iranians meekly obeyed.

AC

You are either permanently drunk, drugged, or insane. Nothing else could account for your hate-filled ranting and raving. There have been a few fruit loops here over the years, but you take the cake.

If you stepped out of your cave and faced some of the people you are constantly raging against online, you would melt into a puddle of nasty fluids. You are an embarrassment to other posters, and I hope you will eventually get the message that your ranting and raving isn't going to make any difference to anyone or anything. No-one on OLO seems to have changed his views because you abused them.

You are entitled to your loony opinions and head banging, but they would be best shared with a therapist, for your own sake.

Thanks Armchair Critic, for your in-depth analysis and insight into what is a very complex world situation. Unfortunately the clueless pair of mhaze and ttbn can't understand even the basics and are out of their depth arguing with you.

Albo doesn't need to meet with the Orange Man, who speaks nothing but gibberish! A 5 minute conversation with the Mad Hatter would give the same outcome.

ttbn, hows that folk hero of yours Mark Latham from the One Nation Party going, seems to be as perverted as you man Trump. AND you claim Trump is a friend of Australia, me don't think so, he's just an a-hole.

Apart from spurning the US, Albanese didn't think to take a couple of days out from the inordinately long 6 day love-in with Communist China to visit, on the way, two actual allies and economic partners, actual friends of ours, Japan and South Korea.

That the US is growing tired of the little man is apparent in their now straight up, public questions about where he stands, and what he would do if America became involved in a China-Taiwan conflict. A question the increasingly silly and dangerous twerp won't answer.

He cares only about further increasing our economic reliance on a country which is a threat to Australia. Madness.

More business with Communist China means more chances for them to weaponise trade against us as they did to bully us into submission following Morrison's attempt to nail down the source of Covid. $20 billion of Australian exports were affected for years. It led to diversity in trading partners, a healthy thing. But Albanese wants us to be more reliant on China again. And he's taken that “genius” on hydrogen, Forrest, with him to pull his strings.

Albanese jabbers about ‘jobs for Australians’ when the jobs Australians had have been exported to China by him and his kind. Not to mention his mass immigration, which still has not filled the 300,000 jobs going spare already.

Albanese is more interested in far-left ideology, picking up tips from Xi, than he is in jobs or anything else for Australia.

Xi on the other hand is making China less dependent on other countries, while making dumb countries like Australia more dependent on China.

It's all part of the Communist grey war on the West. It is how he will control us.

And, what about Albanese's first term promise to wrest back the Port of Darwin? Well, the Chinese media is already hinting at pay back if that happened. But they probably know that Albanese won't have the balls to mention it to Xi.

Paul thinks the Chinese navy is made up of rowboats. AC thinks the Chinese navy outclasses the US navy. Yet between them they both think they are collectively right and that others don't understand the situation. Logic would tell you at least one of 'em has to be wrong, but for this pair, logic is a four letter word.

Ya gotta laugh.

Poor Trumpster,

"The United States Navy (USN) has the largest navy in the world, both in terms of displacement tonnage and overall number of capital ships. While the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has more ships, the USN's fleet is significantly larger in terms of total displacement, reflecting its emphasis on larger, more powerful vessels like aircraft carriers."

Yep, you were counting row boats, One row boat = One aircraft carrier, in your way of thinking.

Which part of "While the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has more ships, " went over your head?

Trumpster,

I never said the US had more ships than China, but numerical numbers are of little consequence when determining the relative navel strengths of both nations. This claim by some that US has to "catch up" to China militarily, is hog-wash. Like during the Cold War it suited the American military industrial complex to claim the Soviet Union was neck and neck with the US militarily, when in fact it was way behind.

Can you explain why America needs 68 nuclear powered and armed submarines. The reason is when America goes down they intend to take the rest of the world with them, AND that includes AUSTRALIA!

"You are either permanently drunk, drugged, or insane. Nothing else could account for your hate-filled ranting and raving. There have been a few fruit loops here over the years, but you take the cake."

You're the one who screams endlessly about antisemitism, but makes no connection to the fact Israel are slaughtering women and kids, engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing, and whines about Muslims, but doesn't see the cause of their anger or the cause of wars that displaced them, or our governments willingness to pander to them allowing them entry.

Australia can't maintain more than one submarine, nor maintain or crew its two biggest ships. Eight years of continuous ship building have produced 1 pretty useless for defence patrol boat.

Plenty of admirals though.

An ex-ASIO head has been commissioned to investigate the RAN; but there will be no written report in case someone accidentally reads it.

AC

You are too crazy to bother with. Bye.

You think you're a good person because you're a Christian hey?
You can say what you want about me ttbn,
I believe in free speech and freedom of expression.

The Ugly Truth about Evangelical Christians
http://youtu.be/R51yMQSsybk

CHRISTIAN MARTYRDOM: A GLOBAL DEMOGRAPHIC ASSESSMENT
http://mcgrath.nd.edu/assets/84231/the_demographics_of_christian_martyrdom_todd_johnson.pdf

Page 4
Martyrdom situations examined
When we examine a list of martyrs down the ages, as comprehensive as is known today, some startling findings
emerge. Table 1 provides a list of the 10 largest known martyrdom situations ranked by size. Note that over 20
million were martyred in Soviet prison camps and that well over half of the 70 million Christian martyrs were killed
in the twentieth century alone.
Table 1. Top ten martyrdom situations in Christian history ranked by size
Situation Martyrs
1. 1921–50, Christians die in Soviet prison camps 15,000,000
2. 1950–80, Christians die in Soviet prison camps 5,000,000
3. 1214, Genghiz Khan massacres Christians 4,000,000
4. 1358, Tamerlane destroys Nestorian church 4,000,000
5. 1929–37, Orthodox Christians killed by Stalin 2,700,000
6. 1560, Conquistadors kill millions of Amerindians 2,000,000
7. 1925, Soviets attempt to liquidate Roman Catholics 1,200,000
8. 1258, Baghdad captured in massacre by Hulaku Khan 1,100,000
9. 1214, Diocese of Herat sacked by Genghiz Khan 1,000,000
10. 1939, Nazis execute millions in death camps 1,000,000

Armchair Critic,
I think you'll find that all the ones you listed would turn out to be retaliatory conflicts for the antics of the Moors, Huns, Turks & Ghenghis Khan etc. in the preceding centuries. My guess is the Europeans settled on the philosophies of prevention rather than cure then. Going by today's situation it'll need to be done again very soon.

"1. 1921–50, Christians die in Soviet prison camps 15,000,000"

The kulaks in the gulags were Christian martyrs? You've got to be kidding.

"8. 1258, Baghdad captured in massacre by Hulaku Khan 1,100,000"

When Hulegu took Baghdad in 1258, Christians were specifically spared. There might have been 1,000,00 or so killed (more likely 200,000), but they were almost all Mohomadians.

Most of the other items in his list are equally fatuous.

Once again AC is led done the garden path by his click-bait sources.

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=699286076341000
Armchair Critic,
Any chance of getting your opinion on this ?