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AUKUS and submarines

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Given Albanese's big suck-up to China, and his flagrant snubbing of America, there is every reason to believe that Australia is being eased into Beijing's influence.

Apart from the moral repugnance, and the threat to Australia's sovereignty and safety, it could be curtains for the economic benefits greedily sought after if Australian Washington-based strategist, Greg Copley's belief that China's coming “descent into chaos" is true, along with rumours that Xi will be sidelined.

Albanese's “Australian way” and “independence” from America is belied by his fascination with China. Not to mention his underfunding of defence, and his pretence of support for AUKUS.

While China regards Albanese as its own creature, it also regards him with contempt; they don't admire weaklings. They didn't even bother to advise the fool that they were going to conduct naval exercises off Australia's coast.

No wonder Albanese is frightened of Donald Trump.

What can Australians do about it? Well, not much. We no longer have an Opposition. And with the shocking mess the Albanese government has made of the economy, Australians are totally occupied paying their bills and surviving.

There is little likelihood of poor people forming a mass movement with demands governments have to listen to. That's how China became a Communist dictatorship. We shouldn't kid ourselves that Australia will not go the same way.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 13 July 2025 9:43:27 AM
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"Trumpster, are you saying the Australian Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade are getting it wrong when they say;"

No. They get it right. You just don't understand what they are saying.
I really can't help you here. I've dumbed it down as much as I can for you and your armchair BFF. Again, we acknowledge that the CCP thinks Taiwan is their possession, but we don't officially adopt a policy on that issue. Which part of ""neither supports nor opposes the PRC position" goes over your head?
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 13 July 2025 9:59:52 AM
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Oh, how irksome is the poor Trumpster, his comprehension skills are at the same level as that of a Three-Toed Sloth with a hangover! Once more for the nummy.

Until 1972 Australia recognised the Republic of China as the legitimate government of the whole of China. In 1972 all that changed with official recognition taken from the government of the ROC in Taipei, and bestowed on the PRC government in Beijing.

Joint Communiqué, Trumpeter that means the Australian government and the Chinese government were speaking as one and in total agreement. They said jointly; (They) recognised the Government of the PRC as China's sole legal government and acknowledged the position of the PRC that Taiwan was a province of the PRC. Are you claiming the PRC and Australia, as they spoke jointly were both saying Taiwan is a separate independent country to the rest of China.

Mate, you should be in the diplomatic service, they sure could use another bod like you to carry bags and clean toilets!
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 13 July 2025 11:19:39 AM
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Hi Paul,
Western weapons companies are profit driven like any normal business, on the other hand Russia's is not profit driven and they kept their industrial capacity intact with a means to ramp it it whenever necessary.

mhaze is a bit like Trump he bloviates all the time to effect, and then walks away claiming victory when he loses.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 13 July 2025 12:14:01 PM
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Hi again AC,

Our dear Trumpster is rather delusional. At one time he was claiming China had a "bigger" navy than the US. The elite attack weapons in a modern navy are nuclear submarines of which China has 12 and US has 68. What the poor chap was doing was a straight one for one comparison, yes indeed China numerically does have a "bigger" navy than America, when you count all the row boats the Chinese posses compared to the Americans.

Albanese reiterated today in Shanghai Australia's position on China/Taiwan, which is to maintain the status quo, basically a situation of a Mexican standoff. The Joint Communiqué of 1972 still hold true.

p/s Trumpster must also believe if he has 100 5 cent pieces, and all you have is one $100 bank note, he has a 100 times more money than you. Strange logic from the lad.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 13 July 2025 3:42:35 PM
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"mhaze is a bit like Trump he bloviates all the time to effect, and then walks away claiming victory when he loses."

This from the bloke who is still wiping the egg off his face over his decoy B-2s debacle. He even admitted he got it hopelessly wrong but now pretends otherwise.

"At one time he was claiming China had a "bigger" navy than the US."

Well that's disappointing. ITs rare that Paul learns a lesson from his innumerable gaffs, but the question regarding the Chinese navy was one such time. He even admitted he'd got the numbers wrong. But it seems he's long since forgotten that and gone back to his imbecilic claims.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 13 July 2025 4:46:52 PM
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