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AUKUS and submarines

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Only received my digital version of Spectator today. I'm looking forward to reading that article and others. It's one of the things that keeps me sane and and arms me against the malignant idiots.

I have just finished watching on YouTube the feisty American rabbi who wants Albanese banned from the US. He said that Americans "used to love" Australia, pre-Albanese, who he sees as an abomination.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 10 July 2025 11:09:11 PM
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It has been said that the ADF is top heavy with brass. The RAN “has more admirals than it has ships”, and all that.

Even Albanese has been reported as thinking of trimming the number of senior officers more interested in woke and gender bending than in that nasty military stuff that most of them have never been personally involved in.

The RAAF higher echelons also have time on their hands for things other than their trade.

Air Marshal Leon Phillips has written a ‘cookbook’ - what used to be called a recipe book.

The Air Marshal believes in “the incredible power of food”.

That should put the wind up China; and they might add to their notorious 14 demands of Australia that Chinese recipes be included. There are none.

However, the book's title ‘A Taste of Harmony’ should reassure them that they have nothing to fear from the ADF.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 10 July 2025 11:13:54 PM
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Hi AC,

Always good to chat to a fellow Fashocommie like myself.

"I thought the U.S. was the defender of the "Rules based order'" Nah!, that's the job of the Mafia! The problem is those bloody third world dwellers, Koreans, Vietnamese, Afgans, Africans, Arabs etc and of course etc just don't follow the rules, which are very simple, in fact there is only one rule RULE NO 1 You do everything we say. How could the rules be any simpler. How come those selfish bastards can't follow the rules, after all there is only one very simple rule. We have told that mob that we are a peace loving people, but if they don't follow the rules, we'll have to bomb the sh!t out of them, and we have to do that constantly, cause they're not following the bloody rules! If you want to talk about the Chinese and the Russians well they're another john dory, they've got bombs like us, big ones, and they're not a peace loving people like us, so we might have to bomb the sh!t out of them as well. Now there's the likes of those silly Iranians and North Koreans, who think they to should have bloody big bombs, just like us! Now how would it be if we dropped a big bomb on them, and they came back and dropped a big bomb on us, that's not playing by the rules, we're the ones who drop the big bombs because we are a peace loving people!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 11 July 2025 6:42:58 AM
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I've never accepted the arguments favouring the AUKUS sub programmes. The timelines don't make sense.

The first sub will be ready for deployment some time around mid 2030s, one more a year or two later and a third a couple of year thereafter. So we are into the 2040s. Equally the subs we are going to build (if they ever happen) will hit the water in the 2040s and 2050s.

But, it'll all be over by then. The whole thing is about countering the Chinese attempt to establish a Pacific, if not a world, hegemony. However, given the demographic and industrial problems facing China, this play for hegemony will take place either late this decade or early in the 2030s.

By the time the subs are available for Australian use, China will have made its play and either be the established military leader in the Pacific or will have lost its one shot and be in terminal decline. Either way, the subs will be white elephants.

Far better that Australia look to weapons and systems that will matter when we need them to matter and leave the US and UK to do what they do best. We could open all our ports to US/UK military shipping today (that's actually envisaged by AUKUS anyway) and instead look to establishing northern Australia as fortress projecting out into the western Pacific. Imagine a series of military bases bristling with long and medium range missiles threatening any and all military activity around the Malacca Straits and the South China Sea.

We should be looking to obtain and/or construct hundreds, if not thousands, of such missiles as our contribution to deterring Chinese hegemony. We already have some expertise in drones, and this could be expanded to make us truly fortress Australia.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 11 July 2025 12:25:30 PM
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"I've been telling you all for years, US weapons are outdated JUNK." according to AC.

Hilariously he made this same claim a day or two before the US B-2 attack on Fedro etc proved his claim to be complete bunkum.

Still its funny to see that AC has now wiped the egg off his face and is back making the same silly assertion all over again having totally forgotten the facts that prove he's utterly wrong. That's the AC we've come to expect.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 11 July 2025 12:31:46 PM
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Trumpster,

Warmongering again I see, Fortress Australia, thousands of missiles. We certainly know who wants to start WWIII! Of course YOU and all the other warmonger's think you old farts will be kept warm and cosy, as well as safe, well away from any hostilities. Well my better idea is to get some old rust bucket, load YOU lot on board and ship YOU off to China where YOU can do an Mad Monk like shirt fronting of the Chinese! Some people are pathetic!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 11 July 2025 12:55:58 PM
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