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Why religious freedom in a secular society is vital

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Netanyahu - a man of vision?

Or a man of illusion?

"Protector of Israel?" or - "Mr Security?"

Believing that Palestinian aspirations for freedom
could be hidden behind concrete barriers and ignored.
And, that any resistance could be managed through
overwhelming firepower. Believing - That Israel could do
as it pleased and suffer few consequences.

A man of vision?

The vision seems rather limited and one-sided.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 December 2024 11:16:52 AM
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'You have this rather childlike attitude that everything is binary - people are either entirely pro-Russian or entirely anti-Russian; pro-Israel or anti-Israel. '

Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes
Posted by Houellebecq, Saturday, 7 December 2024 12:04:46 PM
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"You're becoming increasingly deranged AC as the world fails to work out as you've predicted."
- I'm not the one desperately trying to defend a racist apartheid state run by psychopathic religious fanatics engaged in ethnic cleansing and land theft, and whose actions killing women, kids, journalists, etc. is an affront to everything the West claims to hold dear, so there's that...

"Thinking like - Assad is anti-Israel therefore those attacking Assad must be pro-Israel"
Assad facilitates weapons transfers to Hezbollah through his country so of course he has a bullseye on his back.
Hezbollah defended Syrian Christians.

People I listen to are all mostly ex-government, ex-military or ex-intelligence, and there's lot of them, no longer in government who no longer follow the governments official narrative.

Here watch: the war on terror was a war on Israels enemies;
What's the big deal?
http://x.com/toastedavocado2/status/1865174035790991871

"But Israel has made mincemeat of Hezbullah"
- I guess that's why they accepted a ceasefire after barely making it a few hundred meters into Lebanon, and were taking huge casualties.

Truthfully, Israel was rewarded for killing civilians.
Hezbollah's also a political organisation, and as such they had to accept that the killing of civilians was not in their political interests, it's Israel that's exhausted and on the ropes.
Iran hasn't been put back in it's box, they didn't want a war to begin with.
Pezeshkian was talking about trying to make peace with the west at the U.N. and Netanyahu bombed them, because he needs to be seen to be achieving something, when he's losing on all fronts, except for killing women and kids, mass starvation, depriving food, water and medical goods so that there were desperate people willing to inform on Hamas, for food... so Israel could locate the prisoners of war / hostages.

I get a fairly good main course of the truth by people who WOULD know better, all you offer is a blinkers-on view of things.

http://www.youtube.com/live/wqY0Lu_aYBw
http://www.youtube.com/live/-5S5md0JsZQ

You need only watch 5 mins of them to see your views are naive or willfully ignorant.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 7 December 2024 12:30:03 PM
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"Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes"

Absolutely!! </grin>

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"Hezbollah's also a political organisation"

Who just happened to have tens of thousands of missiles....aimed at Israel. Just your standard political organisation!!

"Iran hasn't been put back in it's box, they didn't want a war to begin with."

Yeah, so when they fired 600 rockets at Israel, unprovoked, they were trying to avoid a war? Struth AC. Do you have ANY standards?

"I guess that's why they accepted a ceasefire after barely making it a few hundred meters into Lebanon"

You are beyond explanation. Hezbullah's leadership has been destroyed, or have you already memory-holed that? Their source of resupply is cowed. They have agreed to move back to the Resolution 1701 lines and have them properly monitored this time. Israel has now got the declared right to move back into Lebanon if Hezbullah steps out of line. Hezbullah, who promised to never abandon Hamas, have abandoned Hamas.

Israel got EVERYTHING it wanted out of the war on Hezbullah. Everything.

As to your links...Pepe Escobar? Seriously. Is there no charlatan you won't fall for?

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"Netanyahu - a man of vision?"

He predicted that the middle east would look very different at the end of this war. He's been proven right.

Yes, he saw the future and made it happen. And its not over yet. You and antisemites the world over might not like that future, but Israel doesn't care.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 7 December 2024 1:18:13 PM
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Netanyahu does not care?

He should.

It's his actions that have revived the centuries old
stereotypes of Jews ( as both alien and all powerful).
So the distinction between opposition to Israel's
actions and hatred of Jews becomes blurred.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 December 2024 3:12:13 PM
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"Netanyahu does not care? He should."

Why? Why should he care what the world's anti-semites think (although 'think' is probably giving it too much credit.)

Israel has seen that there are forces in the world who want it to fail, to not defend itself. Israel has ignored those forces and powered through to defeat all its immediate foes - Hamas, Hezbullah, Houthis and Iran. And each time it deals a new blow to the anti-Israel forces, the world's anti-semites whine even more.

Caring what they think would be detrimental to Israel and therefore won't happen. And now as Israel emerges victorious on all fronts, they find a friend about to take the White House and help them to achieve even more victories.

Ever heard of the Abraham Accords? You will.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 7 December 2024 4:17:07 PM
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