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Why religious freedom in a secular society is vital

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Unconfirmed reports Assad dead in plane crash over Homs.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 December 2024 4:12:20 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,
"You weren't saying it explicitly."
- I wasn't saying it at all.

If that's what I'd meant, that's what I would've said.
Do you think I don't say what I really think already, like you think I hold back?
The answer is no, I don't hold anything back I have my ethics and principles, I say what I think, and I don't have to worry about walking some arbitrary fine line scared I might step over it.

- But right now, today, I am actually pretty mad about Syria.
And if I had've gotten on here this morning it may really have been a full uncork of abuse upon all religions where I may have said every single religious text need to be burned and an actual really anti-semitic rant over this stupid greater Israel project that in my opinion gave us every single war in the middle east since 9/11, including the mass immigration that has largely destroyed western countries and their woke pandering, and which will probably bring us to WW3.

I told you all a long time ago, I'm against stupid ideas first and foremost, not necessarily the people behind them.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 December 2024 4:25:17 PM
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mhaze,
You seem pleased.
Tell me is this what you want? Be honest, it's ok.
At least we know where we're all at.
http://x.com/realstewpeters/status/1863083365047390656
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 December 2024 4:30:53 PM
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AC,

More Jewish conspiracy rubbish? Is there nothing you won't fall for?

What I want is for the so-called Palestinians to recognise that they can't conquer Israel, that River-to-the-Sea is a pipedream and for them to instead start trying to create a viable homeland for their kids and their kids, concentrating on economic rather than military development within the boundaries they currently have.

I want them to once and for all sincerely accept the peace treaties the Jews have offered. But I don't expect that to happen. So instead I want the other Arabs to simply withdraw support for them and force them to come to terms with reality. Abraham Accord.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 8 December 2024 8:14:21 PM
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Dear mhaze,

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You wrote :

1. « "Faith has a religious connotation, mhaze"
Yes it does, That's why I used the word to describe you attitude to the science finding THE answer. »
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I have no idea if science will ever come up with the correct explanations of how the universe and mankind came into being, mhaze, and I never claimed it would. I simply indicated that I have good reason to consider that there is a greater probability of the falsifiable empirical sciences coming up with the correct explanations of how the universe and mankind came into being than the unfalsifiable, all-purpose explanation carved in stone for eternity by religious dogma.

2. « But religion also travels with the times, but just at a pace you find unacceptable … »
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Yes, philosophical criticism from both within and without the Christian community has influenced the development of its beliefs.

Thomas Aquinas wrote in his “Summa theologiae” that one cannot have knowledge and faith at the same time in relation to the same proposition; faith can only arise in the absence of knowledge.

As I indicated in my previous post, it took the Church 359 years to admit that Galileo was right and “divine revelation” was wrong.

Joan of Arc was burned on the stake for heresy in 1431 at the age of 19 and declared a saint 489 years later, in 1920. Wow, that really was a “cold case” !

“While there’s life there’s hope” observed Theocritus, the Ancient Greek (3rd century BC) poet. Catholicism has taken that a step further : “Even when you’re dead there’s still hope” !

As knowledge advances, faith recedes.

But, not to worry, mhaze, faith is almost unlimited.
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3. « … those who ultimately come down of the side of the deity [are] considered by the others as dupes and fools … »

That’s a condescending Trumpian attitude, mhaze : accusing others of their (Trumpians') own defects, incapabilities, and crimes.

I don't !

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Monday, 9 December 2024 2:21:34 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

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You wrote :

« Any connections between these fear-based survival strategies and God or religion, are completely incidental »
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That primeval man conceived of spirits animating nature as an explanation of lightning, thunder, floods, bushfires, volcanoes, earthquakes, droughts, and the occasional meteorite seems plausible to me.

In fact, had I been there in those days, I might well have reacted the same way myself.

And I should not have been surprised if, seeing the force and majesty of such natural phenomena, they instinctively reacted by submitting themselves to what they perceived as such powerful superhuman spirits.

I see that as the most likely explanation for the birth of religion until somebody comes up with a better explanation.

But that is religion, Yuyutsu. What you seem to be referring to in your last post to me is not religion but spirituality.

I understand that Hinduism has no traditional ecclesiastical order, no centralized religious authorities, no governing body, no prophets, nor any binding holy book, and that spirituality is an individual experience, one's journey towards awareness of self, the discovery of higher truths, ultimate reality, and a consciousness that is liberated and content.

But please correct me if I am wrong.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Monday, 9 December 2024 7:44:10 AM
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