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Why religious freedom in a secular society is vital

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China has pulled 800 million people out of poverty in 20 years.
It's quite a feat, as is what Putin has done for Russia in 25yrs after the fall of the USSR.

Like it or not it's true, and that's why these leaders enjoy the support they get from their own people.

You see Russia has state-owned assets i.e. Gazprom
Profits which are used to pay pensions, and build infrastructure etc.

Our western profit driven societies - we have Rhinehart and Twiggy.
- People that just enrich themselves.

Didn't Gina say Aussies are paid too much?
Greed for an individual v's state companies that benefit the nation.

Our idiot leaders have yet to prove themselves capable of running a business properly, they ran them into the ground and sold them all off.

Imagine if BHP, Woodside, Hancock propecting and Fortescue were all state owned?
Our country wouldn't owe 1 single dollar to anyone.

We need to be honest with ourselves and look at the bigger picture.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 29 December 2024 12:05:22 PM
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http://bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 29 December 2024 12:07:03 PM
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Hi Foxy,

CIA working with Navalny, Kremlin spokesman says
http://tass.com/politics/1207373

'According to Dmitry Peskov, it’s not the first time that contacts between Navalny and foreign intelligence agencies have been detected.

FYI, I never originally got this info from the Kremlin, it came from a U.S. citizen.

What I find kind of interesting is that people generally think claims like this are so outrageous, that they couldn't possibly be true.
All the CIA has to do is say 'Russian propaganda' and immediately the average schmuck is sold, believe what the TV tells them.

Here's a list of countries the US, has overthrown or attempted to overthrow since WWII. * means it was successful.
It's outdated, the Syria entry now needs an asterisk, it doesn't include other countries since 2014, such as Turkey, Georgia, Venezeula (again) Romania, Slovakia, Thailand just to name a few.

You see this list, you can dig up all the details if you put effort into it, it's right there, yet in your mind you think:
'The west is for good values, it would never do such things',
'The idea that opposition groups work with or are funded by foreign intelligence agencies is just ridiculous'
- and right there they have you right where they want you, living in a state of total disbelief and denial.

In Georgia why do you think protesters are fighting against a foreign agents group and the NGO funding them are 90% foreign funded?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 29 December 2024 12:26:03 PM
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China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009 *
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 29 December 2024 12:26:21 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism

Mani's teaching was intended to "combine",[9] succeed, and surpass the teachings of Platonism,[10][11] Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Marcionism,[9] Hellenistic and Rabbinic Judaism, Gnostic movements, Ancient Greek religion, Babylonian and other Mesopotamian religions,[12] and mystery cults.[13][14] It reveres Mani as the final prophet after Zoroaster, the Buddha and Jesus.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 29 December 2024 12:29:20 PM
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Hi Foxy,

Here's todays special phrase for you to learn
It's called 'Liberal Intervention'

What is an example of liberal intervention?
Commonly cited examples of liberal interventionism include NATO's intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina; the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia; British military intervention in the Sierra Leone Civil War; and the 2011 military intervention in Libya.

It's just overthrow / regime change by another name.

Here's something else:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

>>Subsequent annual summits of the Shanghai Five group occurred in Almaty, Kazakhstan in 1998, in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan in 1999, and in Dushanbe, Tajikistan in 2000. At the Dushanbe summit, members agreed to "oppose intervention in other countries' internal affairs on the reason of 'humanitarianism' and 'protecting human rights;' and support the efforts of one another in safeguarding the five countries' national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity, and social stability."<<

* 'oppose intervention in other countries' internal affairs on the reason of 'humanitarianism' and 'protecting human rights'
- Why do you think this is important to them?
- Because the west uses it to overthrow countries for it's own political and economic interests.

Did you see that guy getting decapitated by the new Syrian Jihadi government?
They don't care about the people there, they did it for the benefit of Israel and its not a secret.

For someone who likes to learn new things Foxy, sometimes were all too biased to even entertain new ideas in the first place, because to do so would break our own understanding of the world we live in.

I'm not a liar.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 29 December 2024 12:41:28 PM
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