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Quo Vadis Israel?

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A two state solution was tried. It was called Gaza. It failed. But western politicians the world over continue to push it because they haven't the balls to tell the so-called Palestinians that they can't have what they want and they, the politicians, can't think o anything else.

Once the Arabs show that they want a peaceful state that will co-exist with their neighbours, then a two state solution might be possible.

Don't hold your breath.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 4 October 2024 5:23:40 PM
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I don't expect anyone hear to actually watch this but I'm distributing as far and wide as possible.

Bari Weiss is THE hope of American journalism.
Douglas Murray is the greatest journalist of this generation. I saw him live in Sydney - he's unbelievably impressive.

http://youtu.be/kY3luFEvjIY

If you can't watch it all, watch the last ten minutes if you think all is gloom.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 4 October 2024 6:12:19 PM
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A two state solution has been rejected by Israel every
time it was offered. Each time the offers were made
Israel wanted to things only on their terms - and their
conditions. You can't negotiate anything with people
who only want things their way. Therefore a change of
government and new thinking is required here.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 October 2024 9:57:54 AM
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Its just lip service Foxy
Anytime it comes close to making a deal
Israel backs away and changes the terms
- Because it doesn't want any deal.

The world used to say a deal needs to be negotiated between parties
This is just a ploy to ensure Israel stay in control and doesn't have to make any deal.

And America, their words don't match their actions.
They've been facilitating this conflict since Day 1.
Israel and the US are probably playing good cop bad cop for all we know.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 5 October 2024 10:19:12 AM
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The reality facing the Middle East is the urgency
of finding a negotiated non-military solution ASAP.
What's needed is a return to negotiations.

Negotiations are more desirable than the alternative
of running the risk that Iran's nuclear capability
may be replaced by deployable nuclear weapons.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 October 2024 10:19:50 AM
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"In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met at Camp David, with Palestinian Liberation Organization Chairman Nasser Arafat, to conclude a new two-state plan. Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in all of Gaza, and 94% of the West Bank, with East Jerusalem as its capital. But the Palestinian leader rejected the offer.
In the words of U.S. President Bill Clinton, “Arafat was here 14 days and said no to everything.”

A two state solution has been offered to the people who now call themselves Palestinian at least five times. Each time the offered settlement has been rejected by their leadership.

This is easily found in the historic records but this is a nice summary for those who abjure lengthy research....
http://lawandsocietymagazine.com/how-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-own-state-5-times-in-the-past/

"A two state solution has been rejected by Israel every time it was offered."

You don't have to be completely historically illiterate to write such rubbish.... but it helps.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 5 October 2024 10:24:43 AM
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