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Quo Vadis Israel?

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My apologies. Here's the link again:

http://michaeleasson.com/foreign-policy/2023-an-evaluation-of-whitlams-foreign-policy/
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 October 2024 11:34:59 PM
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"Talking about Gough Whitlam's foreign policy?"

Well we were talking about Whitlam's disdain for Foxy's ascendants.... but OK.

The way Whitlam abandoned the Baltic states shows what a pompous swine he was. Basically he signed off on one of the more odious clauses of the 1939 Nazi-Soviet Pact and then laughed about it.

Even the article Foxy linked, which does its best to excuse Whitlam's various errors, can't find an excuse for that one.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 3 October 2024 8:08:03 AM
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Of course at times it is hard to understand some of the
actions of leaders and politicians and the choices they
make. As I stated earlier - I'm not that familiar with
Whitlam's behaviour being out of the country during
his time in office. His supporters will of course try
to justify his behaviour. Just as Trump's supporters
try to do. Just as Netanyahu's and Israel's supporters
try to do. Or the supporters of Palestine try to do.

However facts will always in all cases prove which
supporters have truth on their side.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2024 8:32:21 AM
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We're told that during Question Time in October 1974
Whitlam explained his decision to recognize the
de jure incorporation of the Baltic States into the
Soviet Union was one which did not imply approval of
the way in which it was done but an acknowledgement
of the existing realities of the time.

The same can be said for the West's recognition of the
reality of the state of Israel and its treatment of the
Palestinian people. It's the existing reality.

However the time is well past due when an evaluation and
analysis of the West's continued support of Israel
needs to be done.

In today's world and reality things cannot continue as
they have in the past. The consequences could be even more
dire if things don't change.

And nothing will help if the "horror clown" Trump, is elected
US President.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2024 9:42:25 AM
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The question no-one seems to ask is, can there ever be peace in the Middle East as long as there are two lots of people ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 3 October 2024 2:54:05 PM
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Indyvidual,

Yes of course there can be peace in the Middle East.
Miracles have happened there in the past - right?

Israel has to get out of the occupied territories,
stop its draconian system of control of the Palestinian
people and negotiate a two state solution. The violence will
not end until the conditions that produced it end.

Quo Vadis Israel?

It's Israel's choice.

Hopefully it's not too late.

But under Netanyahu and his government - the chances are slim.
And the US and its ironclad support of Israel only makes things
worse.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2024 3:53:14 PM
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