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Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 September 2024 8:55:33 AM
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Hi Foxy,
In the normal context of democratic liberalism, you would think it would be a no brainier for Harris to be leading Trump 100% to zilch. Considering Americans have had 4 years experience of Trump, BUT not in America. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 19 September 2024 9:05:33 AM
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"Then Both Biden and Harris have warned Trump is a
grave threat to democracy and freedom. " Trump goes through a gruelling primary against a series of serious contenders and is democratically elected by the Republicans to be their representative. Biden, using all sorts of secret devices including outright lawfare (http://tiny.cc/vxkmzz), forces any contender to his leadership such as Sanders and RFK Jr to give up in exacerbation at the lack of democracy in the process. Then having stolen the primary Biden is exposed a dotty old fool in the one place he could hide (the debate). So having won the primary, Biden is overthrown in a palace coup by a bunch of back-room manoeuvres. Then Harris, who has never won a single primary vote in 6 years of trying, is appointed by those same backroom cadres as the unelected but unopposed candidate. And Trump is the threat to democracy!! Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 19 September 2024 9:28:36 AM
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Dear Paul,
It appears that it's going to be a close race in the US. I think Harris is ahead by about six points after the debate. But that doesn't mean she'll win. We'll have to wait and see. Talking about politics and leadership? Look at the stuff-up the Brits made with Brexit. Look at Netanyahu and what Israel's doing. Look at all the internal probs of the Liberal Party under Dutton - and so it goes. All very disheartening. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 September 2024 9:36:40 AM
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A political party who nominates a candidate who openly
promises to end elections, imprison all his critics, who has swinging political beliefs, is against laws and calls all of his opponents criminals, denounces peaceful protesters as mobs and calls any reporting he dislikes as "election interference" and "fake news". Is not a threat to democracy? Well, I guess he does it so routinely that some people don't notice it anymore. There's more at the following link: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-is-a-threat-to-democracy-saying-so-is-not-incitement.html Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 September 2024 10:02:39 AM
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mhaze,
There’s nothing special or extraordinary about what Biden or the Democrats did there. Both sides of politics do it. The republicans did the same to John B. Anderson (1980), Ralph Nader (2000), Gary Johnson (2012), and Evan McMullin (2016). As usual, though, you spin it to look like it’s specifically a corrupt activity of the group you don’t like. Posted by John Daysh, Thursday, 19 September 2024 10:14:10 AM
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him. "He was so nice to me." Trump said that both
President Biden and Vice President Harris were "so nice",
in their calls following an apparent assassination
attempt on Trump over the week-end. Trump hinting it
made it more difficult to attack them.
Will this change anything? Probably not.
The former president has repeatedly called Biden the
worst president in history and has attacked Harris's
intelligence and laugh, while claiming she's a Marxist
who would destroy the country.
Then Both Biden and Harris have warned Trump is a
grave threat to democracy and freedom. The two have
now both condemned the assassination incident and
political violence more broadly.
Perhaps all these people aren't all that "bad" in real
life. It's just that politics seems to be a blood sport.
Right?