One of the joys of watching the current shenanigans going on in the US is to get a bird’s eye, real time look at how modern media works in a partially free state.

We now know as a matter of established fact that the mainstream media (MSM) has been prolifically and purposely lying about the state of the current president’s mental state for at least the last three years. There are innumerable articles about how the facts were hidden from the plebs to try to stop OrangeManBad from gaining power. Only when the lie could no longer be maintained, did the media finally, reluctantly admit that indeed the emperor had no clothes.

Right-wing media had been saying this for years, but the MSM had dismissed that as conspiracy theories and straight up fake news. And the left-leaning plebs bought it. Then, just like that, Biden was gone, replaced by Harris. But Harris has a very problematic record. The interesting thing is to observe how the MSM, in their attempts to keep OrangeManBad out of office, will use their power to whitewash (!) Harris’ record.

In 2021, Biden appointed Harris to oversee the problems on the US southern border, saying she would address the illegal immigrant problem. She utterly failed. So now we have a concerted effort from the MSM, under written instruction from the Democrats, that her record as Border Czar is to be erased. To achieve this the MSM is simply denying that she was ever Border Czar even though there is ample evidence from their own records that they themselves described her as such.
There are also records to show that, while a Senator, she was determined by independent fact-checkers as the most radical left-leaning member of the Senate. Another problem to be solved. This was done by simply deleting the fact-check pages which showed this now unacceptable data.

Orwell wrote of the memory-hole where the past was regularly amended. Soviet critics used to joke that, in Russia, the future was fixed but the past was constantly changing.

Its interesting to watch that process in real time.

According to a recent Pew Research Center report we're
told that the majority of people surveyed felt that
today social media and the internet kept them informed
about domestic and international events.

Of course the media by cherry-picking and being selective
can mislead readers into spin that champions a chosen
political agenda, person, or party and obfuscates others.

Politicians and parties seek to harness this nature of the
media to their own purposes.

Too often the media is guilty of omission. In not reporting
what was done well as opposed to what was done badly.

Talking about memory holes?

Albert Einstein warned in 1949 that the time would come
when the rich would control the means of communication making
it impossible for ordinary people to make informed decisions.

Under existing conditions we can see that there are private
enterprises who inevitably control directly or indirectly
the main sources of information (press, radio, tv, education).

It is extremely difficult for the individual citizen to come
to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of their
political rights. The more we try to use a variety of sources
the better informed we shall be.

Continued funding of our national broadcaster is essential.
It's regulated by set standards - and is considered one of
the most trusted of our news sources.

National Broadcaster SBS has been named the most trusted
news brand in Australia by the University of Canberra and
Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalisms around Global
Digital News, Report 2024.

We're told that each year the report delivers comparative
data and media usage in 47 countries including Australia.
The University of Canberra conducts the Australian research
for the global report examining Australians' attitudes
to news, journalism and in recent years has chartered the
declining trust and growing misinformation within the news
and social media ecosystems.

This report is a strong validation of the work of the SBS teams
and what they do across all news platforms to provide accurate,
impartial, and trustworthy news and information to all
Australians.

The elite don’t have the guts or the ability to understand human nature enough to control a dictatorship: Harris is not up to speed for this and as Trump has already stated, she is even less of a contest than Biden.
Biden was a compliant useful idiot, Harris more so. Biden was obviously mentally deficient but had a form of loyal supporters, Harrises loyalty base is thin comprising entirely radical left.

Harris represents the entirety of the elitist power corps of the top twenty percent , and this now demonstrates the rags that dresses up Democracy and should be a call to arms for the eighty percent of the population remaining unrepresented and ignored.

Biden represented some semblance of inclusion to outsiders, Harris is ignorantly oblivious to their existence. She is a calamitous prospect for US President both domestically and in US foreign Policy directions.

Better prey for the success of DT; in that choice there is some hope to turn the ship around before it sinks on the shoals of appeasement and travels too far down the dark path it’s already treading towards defeat at the hands of Islamic terrorists.

We are not actually fighting Islamic Terrorism but only beginning to recognise it on our collective shores in the West

Mr Mhaze Trumpster,

Where do you get all your Trumperism from? I know, straight from the horses mouth that of the Dangerous Doctor Donald. I gotta give it to ya, the way you so easily turn the machinations of the crazy Donald into so called facts. Amazing, I hope for no other reason that 'Hot Lips' Harris gets up, just so it annoys the crap out of YOU!

Well as usual Paul contributes precisely nothing to the conversation other than childish spitballs.

BTW Paul, I already predicted that Trump would lose due to the cheating that the Democrats get away with, so if he does lose it won't annoy the crap out of me, just be another in the long line of successful predictions I've made here. But I made my comments about Trump losing more than 24 hrs ago and we all know that that's way beyond Paul's memory capacity.

One more thing Paul. You obviously hate Trump but when I've asked before which of his policies cause you to do so, you run a mile. All we can do is assume you hate Trump and Trumpism because the people you rely on to tell you what to think told you to do so.

The really funny (or is it sad) thing is that Paul preens himself as being on the side of the worker and downtrodden. But these are now Trump's main supporters. So Paul is now touting for the rich and powerful in their efforts to suppress the poor and working class.

Just on that point, (and this'll go over Paul's head) it ought to be noted that Biden only dropped out after it became clear that the major donors to the Democrats would no longer provide funds to them if he was the candidate. In other words, the Democrats are now bought and paid for by the billionaire class, and these are the people Paul supports. He won't understand that.

National Broadcaster SBS has been named the most trusted news brand in Australia ..."

In a recent survey of Australian's trust toward 30 different professions, journalists were ranked 29 out of 30 in terms of least trusted. (Politicians came in 30th - big surprise).

Most people are now aware that journalists and their outlets are completely untrust worthy. Others are still fooled.

So SBS being voted the most trust-worthy is hardly praise. Its like being voted the most trustworthy bikie gang.

My opening comments concerned legacy media - TV, newspapers, radio. All the stuff that's been around for decades and which are tools of the elite.

The saviour here is the internet. Even though places like Facebook and Instagram are very much anxious to do as they are told by the establishment, there remains pockets of resistance.

Primary here are blog sites run by journalists and commentators who have left the legacy media in disgust at their habitual lying ( the best here is Bari Weiss) and of course, X/Twitter where censorship is effectively barred.

Indeed Musk's purchase of Twitter may well turn out to have been the most consequential freedom of speach event since the passing of the 1st amendment.

SBS the "most trusted brand".

I thought that was the ABC.

In either case, it is utter bullsh.t because not enough people have anything to do with either them to make them significant, let alone trusted.

The National Broadcaster SBS - has been named the most
trusted brand in Australia by the University of Canberra
and Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalisms
Around Global Digital News , Report 2024.

Each year the Report delivers comparative data on media
usage in 47 countries including Australia.

The University of Canberra conducts the Australian research
for the global report examining Australians' attitudes to
news, journalism and in recent years it has chartered the
declining trust and growing misinformation within the
news and social media ecosystems.

This report is a strong validation of the work of the SBS
teams and what they do across all news platforms to
provide accurate, impartial, and trustworthy news and
information to all Australians.

I'm sure there are other reports on other news platforms.
If you don't happen to agree with this one.

Sky News, the Murdoch press, and even bikie-gangs will have
their own versions of "fake news."

Each to their preferences.

"SBS - has been named the most
trusted brand in Australia"

Yes you already said that. Repeating it doesn't make it any more convincing.

In terms of information dissemination, which is what journalism used to be about, the most trusted sources these days aren't any of the legacy media, of which SBS is a small part. Instead its X and Facebook and the multitude of blog sites.

But I guess that is only true for those who want to seek out the truth and not be told what to think.

AU has it's own msm in the shape of sky news. Nothing but made up propaganda. sometimes they have out guessed Dutton. The next instalment they have forgotten what they said yesterday and go with the latest from Dutton.

mhaze,

Don't blame me for your interpretations of what I write.

Try to drop the insults. They're a turn off.

This obviously incorrect claim that media shunned by most of the population is ‘most trusted’ is the result of propaganda, belted out so often that it has become accepted by some not-so-bright people, and the drones who have never looked elsewhere for information. No media, from the ABC, SBS, through the commercials, right up to supposedly conservative SkyNews can be trusted anymore.

Anyone who takes what the media says as gospel is a dumbcluck.

The triumph of the bizarre over reality these days is down to the cognitive dissonance of the multitudes too lazy or too thick to educate themselves.

All the media, the institutions, the politicians, are guided by the Left, to a more or lesser degree. Logic, common sense and truth have gone out the door. At least in the Western world. This has happened over the last 50 years.

Woke is not something new. It has been seeping into the system for at least half a century, and too few people have been brave enough to stop it. There is really not much point in discussing it anymore. It's an old cliche I know, but the asylum is definitely being run by the lunatics, and only the complete loss of the West might bring about a recovery some time in the future. Not in my lifetime, though.

Any society that has denied, and continues to deny, that the free world has been in the hands of a dementia sufferer since the last US election is too far gone to be redeemed - even by Donald Trump, who they are still telling lies about and demonising.

In this world we have all sorts of people who believe in
all sorts of things. Some sane, some scary. Some way out of
reality in different universes.

There's those in the US to whom winning is everything, and they
thrive on showmanship, and
know how to manipulate both the press and the public.
Where the end justifies the means. Where the slogan of -
"Make America Great Again" rings true.

They want to hear that:

After they vote in this coming election, they'll never
have to vote again. That rules and regulations will no
longer apply. That the Constitution will no longer matter.
Neither will international law, or signed allied agreements.
That supporting NATO will no longer happen. That Israel will
do what it wants and so will Putin and China. With US
Blessings.

And what the media produces is all - - "fake news." And propaganda.

It's not surprising that some in the US are buying into all this.
But what is surprising is that so are a tiny minority here
in Australia.

Still, it takes all kinds. There are people who think they've
got glass bums and if they sit down they'll crack them.
Many people have mental issues.

You can't reach for anything new if your hands are full of
yesterday's junk.

On the other side of the coin - "normality is a paved road.
It is comfortable to walk. But, no flowers grow on it."

And, in that same vein - here's some more food for thought:

"If we resist reading what we disagree with, how will we
ever acquire deeper insights into what we believe?"
Surely -
The things most worth reading are precisely those that
challenge our convictions.

Cheers.

"If we resist reading what we disagree with, how will we
ever acquire deeper insights into what we believe?"

Words to live by. Hopefully you'll adopt them one day.... but evidence to date is to the contrary.

"Try to drop the insults. They're a turn off."

What insults? BTW I'm not the slightest bit interested in turning you on.

The point of all this is that the legacy media, including places like SBS, no longer aim to inform but instead to lead. Some like being led.

And they are terrified of the revolt of the plebs. So Trump must be stopped at all costs and if that means lying to protect Harris, just as they lied to protect Biden, then they'll do it with alacrity and glee.

That is why Harris's dismal performance as Border Czar is being suppressed. That is why Harris' dismal performance as a Senator is being suppressed. Its why they don't want to talk about her extra-marital affairs while joyfully covering every sexual accusation against Trump.

They are desperate to get Harris's vote close enough that the cheating machine can do the rest. And journalistic standards don't matter.

I find the whole thing fascinating. Orwell nailed it. If society remains just a little free, historians will study it for centuries. But I suspect not.

mhaze,

I appreciate your honesty.

You probably won't get this:

However, I really don't need you to "give me a seat at
the table" so to speak.

I'll bring my own folding chair.

As for the former US President Donald Trump?

Jane Goodall put it so well:

"What we do makes a difference. But we have to decide what
kind of difference we want to make."

Hi Foxy,

The one posting as mhaze is a devout Trumpster, whatever the Dangerous Doctor Donald tells him, he talks it as gospel, and starts spruiking "Donald Diatribes" as some kinds of facts. It obvious that the poor old chap has been brainwashed with Trumpism. Sad really!

I'm no fan of American politics, as you know, but its good they kicked out Gar Gar Joe, but Crazy Donald is still there. Was there no shooter? Did Donald hold a Hollywood blood bomb concealed in his hand? Was the "deceased" only a stage dummy? Was the shooter a boy actor armed with a plastic GI Joe machine gun? Mr Mhaze Trumpster loves conspiracy theories, can you back this one?

Dear Paul,

That Trump is a threat to democracy should go without
saying. As president he attempted to block the transfer
of power by manipulating vote counts and instigating
a riot on Capitol Hill. He has also outlined plans
for undermining independent federal law enforcement while
vowing to enact "retribution" on his movement's enemies.

He's going to assemble a cadre of loyalists to staff
the executive branch.

All too frightening to contemplate.

mhaze,

On this forum:

Your choice of US President
You've Trumpeted loud and clear
We've Bidened our time
And dreaded with fear

A new candidate
Has now entered the race
One which the Trumpster
Will try to erase

Lucky for all
She knows his type
Having prosecuted fraudsters
And all of their hype

She's a leader who can
Make voters see
Just how bad under Trump
Things are going to be.

"Having prosecuted fraudsters"

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/jamal-trulove-tells-how-he-was-framed-murder/

"Jamal Trulove Tells How He Was Framed with Murder and Kamala Harris Sat in Back of the Courtroom and Laughed"

"....Kamala Harris attempted to keep black men locked up for cheap labor." Well why not...its in her DNA. There's only one candidate running now whose ancestors were NOT slave owners, and its not Kamala.

__________________________________________________________________

"However, I really don't need you to "give me a seat at
the table" so to speak."

There's a concept in philosophy called obscurantisme terroriste. Its where the author writes something so obscure and off-topic that it becomes unintelligible. But when its pointed out that its mere gibberish, rather than explain it more succinctly, they just say you're an idiot for not understanding.

http://www.openculture.com/2013/07/jean_searle_on_foucault_and_the_obscurantism_in_french_philosophy.html

" “He writes so obscurely you can’t tell what he’s saying. That’s the obscurantism part. And then when you criticize him, he can always say, ‘You didn’t understand me; you’re an idiot.’ That’s the terrorism part.”

That's increasingly Foxy's schtick. She writes these increasingly inane assertions and then, when its pointed out that what she wrote made zero sense, she just asserts she's on a higher plain. Its childish in the extreme.

And still we see Foxy/Paul run a mile when asked to explain why they hate OrangeManBad. Which policy/policies do they oppose. Why do they prefer the party of the billionaires as opposed to the party of the workers and suppressed?

They've just been told that's what they're supposed to do and they dutifully do it.

Think for yourself... a daft notion that doesn't occur to them.

mhaze,

I am actually interested in understanding your Trump obsession.
Your views seem so different from mine.

Please discuss why you think so highly of the man and how
will he be good for America and the world.

Let's discuss this in a rational and respectfull way.

More memory hole.

JD Vance grew to prominence from his autobiographical book 'Hillbilly Elegy'.
As is their tradition, the German publisher of the German translation of the book has announced that they will immediately cease publishing the book. Apparently sales had jumped as people sought to learn more about the prospective VP.

And the last thing the elite wants is people independently seeking information. The plebs need to understand that they can only get the information from approved sources.

Talking about the US presidential nominees:

Kamala Harris has raised more in a week than
Biden and Trump raised in a month.

"Kamala Harris has raised $US 200 million ($305 million)
for her White House bid in less than a week, her campaign
said on Sunday, with the vice president hoping that this
surge in funding will boost her chances against Donald
Trump."

"Michael Tyler, Harris campaign's communications director
called it a "record shattering haul."

"Of that amount 66% came from first-time donors, further
proof of the tremendous grassroots support for this
vice president."

There's more at:

http://www,afr.com/world/north-america/harris-raises-more-cash-in-a-week-than-trump-biden-in-a-month-20240729-p5jxag

Here's the link again:

http://www.afr.com/world/north-america/harris-raises-more-cash-in-a-week-than-trump-biden-in-a-month-20240729-p5jxag#:

"Kamala Harris has raised $US 200 million ($305 million)for her White House bid" GIVE IT TO THE BLOODY POOR! What a wasteful an extravagant society America is!

Hi Paul,

In order to be able to "Give it to the poor," the
bid in running for office has to be won and that
takes money to run that race. That's the reality.

I tried to explain this before.

When the billionaire Democrat doners decided that Biden had to go, they simply stopped donating to the various Democrat SuperPACs, the DNC and the Biden re-election campaign.

So the Biden campaign was rapidly running out of money and that's the main reason he withdrew. That is, tens on millions of Democrat voters had said they wanted Biden as their candidate but they were overruled by a dozen or so billionaire doners. (Explain to me again how democracy is endangered by the Republicans!!)

Then when Biden did as his wealthy owners dictated and withdrew, Harris who has never received a single delegate in primary elections was installed without any votes required.

Now that the doners got their way, they then opened their previously closed wallets and gave the money they withheld from Biden to Harris.

The Democrats are owned by a few dozen billionaires and the wishes of the voters don't count or matter. Harris is now their bought and paid for puppet.

And those who support the Democrats and their candidates because they think they are the party of the worker are being led, very willingly, down the garden path.

"
Please discuss why you think so highly of the man and how
will he be good for America and the world."

You've got to be kidding, right? I've been talking about Trump and Trumpism and MAGA for 8 years, and somehow you don't know my views. Go back and read any of my posts on this since 2015 if you have a genuine interest

mhaze,

Now you know how I feel when you accuse me of not listing
and giving you examples about Trump's behaviour when I also
have been doing precisely that on this forum and for a
long time. Including starting several discussions on the
man.

I am open to responsible discussion - but I will not engage
in further dialogue if your attacks persist.

OK, just for you....

Domestic Policies

I’ve explained more times than ought to be necessary, Trump represents a revolution against the globalist elites in the US, the UN and the various globalist NGOs. The last 30 years have been a disaster for the working class and middle classes in the US with jobs and livelihoods being exported to the world (mainly China) while the urban elites have feasted on cheap imports and government largess.

Trump sought in his first term, and will most definitely continue in his second, to reverse these trends by bringing manufacturing, agricultural and extractive industry jobs back to the US. His first term saw a massive increase in fossil fuel extraction such that the US became energy independent. He has already said that will return from day one. Harris OTOH has come out against fracking and the return of those jobs. I’ve shown before that the Trump tax changes favoured the working classes and families.

By bringing manufacturing back home, jobs are created, and national independence enhanced. This is why Trump is now the favoured candidate of the working class.
We saw how in his first term black unemployment fell to its lowest level ever. That’s why he’s now favoured by more blacks than any previous Republican.
His policy of closing the southern border and returning illegals to their home country will likewise improve the employment prospects of the US workers and increase wages.

Trump is well aware that the deep state apparatus needs to unwound in order to save US democracy. This will be a top priority for MAGA but will need to be continued by those who follow him. Nonetheless, as technology makes individual suppression easier it is vital for freedom that the state be bought under control. Only Trump can do that.

There’s so much more to like – his climate policies, anti-woke policies, pro-family policies- but that’ll do for now.

Foreign Policy

Trump’s first term was a triumph for the US in terms of foreign policy. The US engaged in no new wars in that term, something that was almost unheard of in the past century. Indeed not only were there no new wars, but he was extracting the US from the wars his predecessors had started. Obama’s incompetence had landed the US with a war against ISIS which Obama said would take years to end. Trump finished it in 6 months.

Although Trump couldn’t get out of Afghanistan in his first term, he did get most of the issues lined up to get out. As expected, Biden screwed it up resulting in the greatest US military debacle this century.

The Abraham Accords were close to completion by the end of his term, with an historic peace between Saudi Arabia and Israel months away. This was to the severe detriment of Iran who were also cowed by Trump’s policies toward it. Biden scuttled the Abraham Accords. Trump will restart the process if he gets back. An historic peace in the Middle East remains possible.

Obama and Biden had severely weakened Ukraine while Trump recommenced providing them with arms. Biden, as we now know, used and encouraged Ukrainian corruption to enhance his family wealth. Putin invaded Ukraine during the Obama and Biden presidencies but was too afraid to do so while Trump was around.

NATO was saved by Trump through his tough love. It is now acknowledged that his demand that NATO countries fulfill their obligations and not just rely on the US is what got them to the point where they could face Russia.

China was restrained during the Trump presidency and was forced to ameliorate its economic warfare.

All of this will start again if he wins. It is already reported that Iran is actively seeking to help the Democrats. Trump will bring the war of the Russian steppes to a close.

From Australia’s point of view a strong but restrained US is ideal. A weak and poorly led US is our worst nightmare. Trump is good for Australia.

mhaze,

Thank you.

Your responses are appreciated.

cont'd ...

mhaze,

Now, here's why I'm concerned if Trump gets re-elected:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Brittanica and others on the web have even more.

Some people don't have minds of their own. All these references to this and that; references that are all ideological preachings by people who have the same attitudes to everything; propagandists.

I can respect the opinions of people who, having heard or seen STRAIGHT REPORTING on any issue, make a choice, and say what they think: express their opinions.

But, merely repeating what propagandists say - worse, referring to them as if that should be the end of the matter - is intellectually bankrupt and, frankly, pathetic.

We all know what Wikipedia will say about any subject going; same with the ABC, SBS, Murdoch, SkyNews, The Australian, Sydney Morning Herald etc.

Just repeating what they say is pathetic. People who do this are easily led up the garden path, or along the Road To Serfdom (Friedrich Hayek).

It's unfortunate that many so-called journalists/reporters are now activists pushing one opinion or another. It is even more unfortunate that lazy people just regurgitate what they say instead of thinking for themselves.

"One of the joys of watching the current shenanigans going on in the US is to get a bird’s eye, real time look at how modern media works in a partially free state."
- They promote and continue the lies?

Case in Question:

How Authoritarian Governments Rig Elections to Stay in Power
http://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/30/world/europe/authoritarian-governments-vote-rigging-venezuela-maduro.html

"President Nicolás Maduro was declared the winner of Venezuela’s presidential vote on Monday despite glaring election irregularities, plunging the country into widespread protests.

The vote came after millions of Venezuelans had rallied behind the opposition candidate, Edmundo González, who stood in for the popular opposition leader, María Corina Machado, who was barred from running by Mr. Maduro’s government. Mr. Maduro was declared the winner by the country’s electoral authority, which did not release a full vote count, fueling suspicions about the credibility Mr. Maduro’s claim of victory.

Ms. Machado called the results “impossible,” and many pointed to government interference at polling stations.

This is not the first time Mr. Maduro’s administration has been accused of reporting false election results. Like other authoritarian leaders across the world, Mr. Maduro has employed myriad tactics to rig elections in an attempt to garner legitimacy by skewing the democratic process."

What they don't tell you is Maria Machado is a U.S foreign asset.
The National Endowment for Democracy is an arm of the CIA.

You can see she's a U.S asset right here:

http://www.ned.org/events/the-2024-ned-democracy-awards/

The article goes on the criticise El Salvador

"Experts at the International Foundation for Electoral Systems, or IFES, an international nonprofit based in the United States, pointed to El Salvador’s president, Nayib Bukele, as an example. Mr. Bukele’s government instituted changes that allowed the country’s legislative body to pass laws more favorable to his government. With a supermajority in the legislature, Mr. Bukele’s party replaced judges on the Supreme Court, which then reinterpreted the country’s Constitution and allowed him to run for re-election despite a ban on presidents serving consecutive terms."

'El Salvador: homicide rate 2014-2023 In 2023, there were approximately 2.4 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in El Salvador. Since 2015, when it stood at 103, the murder rate has been dropping annually in this Central American country.'

- Even their own articles tell the truth:

He Cracked Down on Gangs and Rights. Now He’s Set to Win a Landslide.

>>The biggest reason, analysts say, is that the 42-year-old leader has achieved a seemingly impossible feat: decimating the vicious gangs that had turned El Salvador into one of the world’s most violent places.

“Some people call it a dictatorship,” said Sebastián Morales Rivera, a fisherman living in a former gang stronghold. “But I would prefer to live under the dictatorship of a man with a sound mind than under the dictatorship of a bunch of psychopathic maniacs.”<<

- Your man Trump is hardly better than Biden.
He sanctioned the Venezuelans and had them eating cats and dogs.

Venezuela food shortages cause some to hunt dogs, cats, pigeons
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/05/18/venezuela-food-shortages-cause-some-hunt-dogs-cats-pigeons/84547888/

Trump will start a trade war, and he will lose.
He will try to entice foreign companies to America, but it will have limited success.
Foreign companies are not going to build factories in U.S. when there is a risk of having their assets seized.
Trump blew out the deficit before and achieved little, and now they're at 35tln in debt.
The next administration will probably put the nail into the coffin either way it turns out.

America is a drowning man who will drag others down with it.

Hi AC,

Things (including elections) are fine while the population (voters) are given no real choice. In our system of democracy the choice is between Tweedledee and Tweeledum. For all intention purposes they are identical, with minor differences on emphases, Tweedledee says; "Let the people eat porridge on Tuesdays!"...Tweedledum say; "No, let the people eat porridge on Thursdays!", otherwise everything else is the same. But when a third party like Mr Grumpy gets in on the act and says; "Let the bloody people eat porridge everyday!", that tends to upset the apple cart, and Mr Grumpy has to be eliminated, even if its only an assignation attempt by a telly-prompter! What do you think?

Dear Paul,

I don't know about you but I'm beginning to tire
hearing all the nastiness coming out of the US
presidential race. And it probably will get
even worse as November draws closer.

Look at how much has happened in recent months.
Goodness me.

The American people will make their choice. One we'll
all have to live with for better or worse.

Whether we approve of the way the US does things -
we're stuck with being dependent on the country for
so much. And with China and (Putin) eyeing and hovering
nearby - and the Middle-East conflict escalating,
we have to be careful what we wish for.

Hi Paul,
Well, in our democracy we're already joined at the hip with America with 5-eyes, we're already a vassal state to some degree so we don't really have the issues other countries do.

Did you see my rant over on the main forum yesterday?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=23083&page=0#396346

Quote myself "You get around the planet with your carrot and stick diplomacy.
Your stick is the sanctions to inflict collective punishment on entire nations that resist you.
And your carrot is your fifth column scumbags like Maria Machado telling the whole nation how crap the leadership is when the country is under attack by you.

You do this the whole entire world over.
You've never brought peace anywhere only war and death."

This guy is the director of the National Endowment for Democracy.
http://x.com/DamonMacWilson
If you scroll down a little you'll see a reposted tweet from Michael McFaul former US Ambassador to Russia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_McFaul
Here's the tweet:
http://x.com/McFaul/status/1818312718698590332
"If there’s a peaceful transition to democracy in Venezuela, all sanctions will be lifted, and the suffering of the Venezuelan people will end."
- Basically they're saying this:

'Dear Venezuelans - All you have to do is accept our puppet ruler and become a vassal state and your suffering will be over.
We have robbed your nation (Trump froze their assets and sanctioned them), we have starved you, we forced you to eat your own cats and dogs, we have brought your nation to it's knees anyway - why won't you just submit already?'

It's just western imperialism and conquest - no more, no less.

Silent weapons for quiet wars...

When will you all learn that the world is not the way it is because the US is the worlds savior, it's the worlds instigator.

- Trump is unlikely going to change anything.

Only when we all see that America uses 'democracy' as a tool of conquest and division to cause the conflicts will the world actually change.

I doubt if many of us want an autocratic dictatorship.

"I doubt if many of us want an autocratic dictatorship."
- No not particularly, but there may be a point where it becomes a necessary evil.
'Democracy downward spiral'
At what point do things get so bad we decide to jump off the sinking ship.
Why are China succeeding?
- Because they're not hamstrung by democratic infighting and poor policy favoring special interests.

I'd settle for non weaponised democracy, with a focus on diplomacy, not rule by threats, blackmail, sanctions and military intervention.

If you want me to stand BEHIND democracy Foxy, (well I still think it's flawed)
Then you all need to stand AGAINST the misuse of it, for the purposes of global conquest.

I'm happy to compromise for the greater good.
But when democracy become a fight between existing inhabitants and immigrants we're halfway gone already.
Democracy should be about the people deciding their own future.
Not about what is best for the capitalists, the donor class and those abroad.
- It's engineered conflict, to push the country in a direction the people never chose.

Why are so many Chinese fleeing China?

If democracy is so bad why are there so many refugees
fleeing into democratic countries?

Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine in late Feb
2022 - more than
300,000 Russian citizens and residents have fled Russia by
mid March 2022. 500,000 by the end of August 2022, and
an additional 400,000 by early October to a total of
900,000.

President Putin has introduced prison sentences of up
to 15 years for publishing any information that he considers
"fake news." In the meantime his "troll farm" and propaganda
machine works relentlessly. It's not an invasion - it's
a "special military operation." Just like the work of the
Soviet Regime of the past which "liberated" so many countries.

Yeah - it's all about the bad West and its "conquest." of the
world. China is great and so is Putin - don't you know?

Many of course are voting with their feet and running from this
"greatness."

"300,000 Russian citizens and residents have fled Russia by
mid March 2022."
- Yes, and the Ukrainians lay land mines to stop their people leaving.

Who wants to die in a war, because leaders are having a tiff?
Some, who think their nation, family, friends and way of life is under attack and worth defending.
And the others who care not about these things and only for their own lives run away.

"President Putin has introduced prison sentences of up
to 15 years for publishing any information that he considers 'fake news'."
- Necessary evil when the West uses civil society to put protestors on the streets.

"In the meantime his "troll farm" and propaganda machine works relentlessly."
- Yes I know, our western media loves to omit facts and twist the truth, Lol.

It's not an invasion - it's a "special military operation."
- There's no hiding the fact Russia invaded, we can say 'special military operation' because the real war hasn't started yet, send in NATO, then you'll have a war.

If you think Putin just woke up bored one morning, and drunk on conquest then you're being naive.

"Yeah - it's all about the bad West and its 'conquest' of the
world. China is great and so is Putin - don't you know?

- I've been telling you and showing you all for years.
With wars around us and potentially bigger ones in the not too distant future, perhaps you might actually try to see the bigger picture.

Why do you think the West went nuts in Georgia over the so-called Russian Law?

http://carnegieendowment.org/russia-eurasia/politika/2024/05/georgia-protests-geopolitics?lang=en&center=russia-eurasia

It's the west leading an attack against those countries to change the government.
Next minute you'll have a million Georgians dead and the puppet government run up deficits handing out subsidies to western companies to rob the country, and the people will end up having to take loans from the IMF, so the country is even more screwed.

It's a well oiled machine robbing people of the right to exist peacefully, because someone else wants to use them as a tool for conflict.

"Yeah - it's all about the bad West and its 'conquest'. of the
world. China is great and so is Putin - don't you know?"

Question - How many ports, rail, hospitals, schools, highways and parliament buildings have the Americans built in foreign countries?

None, they put in military bases.
They don't bring peace or prosperity to anyone, not even their own citizens.

Foxy says "Let's discuss this in a rational and respectfull way."

So I go out of my way to give her an overview of the reasons tens of millions support Trump, Trumpism and MAGA.

Her response... a link to Trump Wikipedia page!! !! !! ??

That's respectful?

Its clear that some people oppose Trump because the people they rely on to tell them what to think have told them what to think but they have no idea what it is about MAGA that they oppose.

Hardly worth my effort.

Foxy will no get all sulky.

The events in Venezuela proves yet again (as if further proof was required) that you can vote yourself into communism but you have to shoot your way out

"How many ports, rail, hospitals, schools, highways and parliament buildings have the Americans built in foreign countries?"

Ever heard of the Marshal Plan? Look it up.

The US found a devastated western Europe and created a vibrant, successful series of democracy with living standards similar to its own and gave them independence to choose their own path. The USSR found a devastated eastern Europe and created a decrepit series of slave nations with living standards among the worst in the developed world.

The US found a devastated Japan and created a stable and independent democracy with the highest living standard on the planet.

The US found a backward South Korea and created a stable democracy with one of the highest living standards on the planet. The Chinese found a backward North Korea and worked assiduously to keep it backward and therefore utterly dependent.

But for AC, rants are better than facts.

"The US found a devastated western Europe and created a vibrant, successful series of democracy with living standards similar to its own and gave them independence to choose their own path."

No they made the whole of Europe a vassal state.
And now the totalitarian leaders sacrifice their own vassal states.

Heard of Nordstream?
Old shultz is such a pathetic excuse for a leader.
He literally stood there next to Biden when Biden said he'd put an end to Nordstream, Olaf just stood there like a neutered dog, while his entire country got screwed.

The whole of Germany is so pathetic.
Take that nutjob Bareback for example...
She even openly stated she will back Ukraine and doesn't even care what Germans think.
Talk about totalitarians.
Ursula should have a Hitler moustache, and that Borrell, (gone now) is a bit of a nutjob too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufAHg6hN4OA

And FYI I knew what Maria Corinne Machado was up to maybe a year ago long before she was even disqualified from running because she's a foreign agent, and before Juan Guaidó (the man who declared himself president) removed himself from the game.
I knew all this was going to happen.
You can predict it once you know the game.
- And that's because I pay attention to what the U.S quietly gets up to while you're all asleep at the wheel.

"The US found a devastated Japan and created a stable and independent democracy with the highest living standard on the planet."

- Vassal state.

Japan Asks America For PERMISSION To Save Its Currency As The Strong Dollar Wrecks Everything
http://youtu.be/yXVLutqSNHs

"The US found a backward South Korea and created a stable democracy with one of the highest living standards on the planet. The Chinese found a backward North Korea and worked assiduously to keep it backward and therefore utterly dependent."

No, I'm not sure China wanted a powerful North Korea.
I think maybe Russia was closer to North Korea than China.
Many soviet scientists went there after the fall of the USSR.

North Korea is out from the cold now.
They have a military alliance with Russia and are working together in the far east for mutual benefit.

Russia and China were doing bombing exercises the other day.
http://www.newsweek.com/alaska-map-russia-china-nuclear-bomber-patrol-us-shores-1931944

"The Rybar military channel on Telegram suggested the two Russian Tu-95MS and two Chinese H-6K strategic bombers took off together from Anadyr airfield in Russia's eastern Chukotka region, which would mark the first time assets from both air forces have shared a base of operations."
- That was a message to the west, 'If you want to fight one of us, you'll have to fight both of us together'.

Like I told you, US foreign policy is suicide.

Well, Dangerous Doctor Donald has once more shown what a bigoted racists he is. Donald is now questioning Harris as to her ethnicity, not black enough for Donald. He is also claiming migrants to the US are taking "Black Jobs", when asked to explain what he meant by "Black Jobs" he wouldn't say. We all know what he meant, the jobs that African Americans should be performing are the low paid subservient menial tasks which serve white masters like Donald! That will win him lots of "new" supporters in the KKK.

AC lauds China for building ports, schools etc in foreign lands.

I point out that what China did is miniscule compared to what the US has down around the world for the past 70 years.

AC races to change the subject.... its like trying to hold rancid custard - there's no substance.

Laughingly he thinks the US made France, Germany, Britain vassal states post WW2. Ever heard of the Polish People's Republic, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic -true slave states. But AC averts his eyes while claiming, hilariously, to see all.

Yep Kamala's black. Always been black. Never anything else.

http://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/1818732288575700997/photo/1

But if the media tells Paul to believe it, it becomes true.

mhaze,

I gave the link about Trump earlier simply to show
my reasons for not supporting the man, as a response
to your explanations to me as to why you supported him.
It was in response to your earlier request for reasons
why I did not support him.

And no, I won't get sulky. I actually appreciated your
answering my request.

Enjoy your day.

Trump-haters can't wait for the latest of his quirky utterances to condemn him for purely ideological reasons of their own and their natural thick-headed devotion to the Leftist dogma that has seen American reduced to a laughing stock, by its dead-man-walking President and the Laughing Woman who threatens to be the next President.

These Trump-haters need someone to hate because they sure as Hell have nothing to love in the Democrats.

There is nothing artificial about Trump. He is for real. He demonstrated that reality in his last term as President, doing everything possible to see his promises through. He pulled America out of the swamp and got its people working again. What he didn't get done was down to his own side - in the form of the likes of John McCain. We have the likes of that twerp in the Coalition wets.

Trump certainly had some success in stemming the flow of illegal aliens. But again, his own side blocked funding for the ‘wall’.

He kept at it despite 90% of the American media trying non-stop to undermine him.

Just compare Trump with other so-called conservative leaders of that time: jelly-backs like Boris Johnson and Scott Morrison.

Trump also appointed conservative judges, while Morrison, crazedly, appointed his enemies; the same sort Labor hankers after.

Even Tony Abbott caved into the wet Left of the Liberal Party, whereas Trump actually stood up for Republican values - despite wet Republicans.

What I'm saying here, is that instead of nasty little Australians rubbishing Trump, over whom they have no influence as voters, they should be looking at our own apologies for leaders, starting with the worst, most incompetent yet, Anthony Albanese.

The nasty little worms hate Trump for his views on DEI, which will end up DIE in the near future. Not a peep about that from our two “heroes”.

America, Australia, the West, all need a Donald Trump. America and Canada are the only two countries with a chance to get one.

How long does anyone think Trump's ex-countrywoman Julie Inman Grant - fawned over and lauded by both Albanese and Dutton - would last with him. Americans of all kinds value freedom of speech more than Australians do. That’s why that battle axe is here, thanks to that other political disgrace, Malcolm Turnbull.

That creature's only legacy to Australia was censorship and The Guardian.

Trump’s greatest asset and advantage over the rest is his not being a career politician. He has made his fortune, and doesn't need to be a gutless coward to hang onto a job he doesn't need.

Kamala is black and has always been black?

That reminds me of the old adage - "It doesn't matter
if a cat's black or white. As long as it catches mice."

Hi Foxy,
Trumps just repeating the same story about Kamela that I already heard prior to him saying it, and I heard it from an African American.

AC,

And I'm just repeating an old adage.

"I gave the link about Trump earlier simply to show
my reasons for not supporting the man, as a response
to your explanations to me as to why you supported him."

You said you wanted to have a rational and respectful discussion about the Trump candidacy but all you can show is his highly biased wikipedia bio.

This just shows someone who doesn't actually know why she's supposed to oppose Trump, just that those who she relies on to tell her what to think have told her what to think.

My mistake for thinking that when you said you wanted a "rational and respectfull" discussion you had either then intention or wherewithal to do so.

mhaze,

It appears that all you're interested in is argument.
Attempts at explanations don't suffice.

I did my best.

I gave the Wikipedia link simply because it summarised things
rather well regarding the man's behaviour.

My reasons for not supporting Trump stem from his own
irrational behaviour, and actions, which have been documented.
The language that comes out of that man's mouth is appalling
as are the lies and conspiracy theories he spouts.

However, I can see that engaging in any ongoing conversation
on this subject with you is pointless.

I'll leave you to your opinions.

Cheers.

mhaze,

Remember it was you who did ask for me to give you examples
of why I objected to the ma.

I simply complied to your request.

Cheers.

Mr Mhaze Trumpster,

You may be able to help me. I'm somewhat confused by your man Donald referring to "BLACK JOBS", and migrants taking these "BLACK JOBS". What do you believe is meant to by a "BLACK JOB", can you give examples. Just as a side, is there such a thing in America as "WHITE JOBS" and if so do you have examples of these "WHITE JOBS"?

Is a "BLACK JOB" something like picking cotton? AND is a "WHITE JOB" something like whipping those cotton pickers that don't pick cotton fast enough, down on the ole' plantation?

If DDD wins the election, maybe Donald devotees like you could migrate to the United State, and as a emigrant maybe Donald could line you up with one of those "BLACK JOBS" at the White House, isn't it fortunate that its not called the Black House. BTW if you do migrate to the US, I think you'll have to bring your own mop and bucket to get one of those "BLACK JOBS" from Donald.

Gaza and the Death of Western Journalism
'Israel’s war on Gaza has killed more journalists than any other conflict in recent memory – so why is the Western media still silent?'

http://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/8/2/gaza-and-the-death-of-western-journalism

Donald, is running the "BLACK JOBS MATTER" campaign in America, just the other day he said; "If it wasn't for BLACK JOBS, who would put my trash out!".

Are Australians really doing it tough - or is it pure media beat up?

I know I don't go around asking people how they are doing; they don't ask me.

Stats from May 24 to June 24 show that people spent less on essentials (food), but the same or MORE on discretionary items, like booze and baccy; clothing; furniture; transport; recreation (bit less); hotels & restaurants (much more); miscellaneous.

Enough of the whingeing! It could be that these breathless reports are just another way of keeping us uptight and dissatisfied.

And, that should have been in the "Rip off" thread put up by Nathan having a whinge.

"Is a "BLACK JOB" something like picking cotton? "

Oh dear, Paul gets his [mis]understanding of the real world by watching reruns of "Gone with the Wind". What a berk!!

While Paul remains happily clueless, Americans listening to Trump would have completely understood his point. You'll note that when he said it, in a room for of BIPOCs, no one demurred - because they knew what he meant, even if morons like Paul remain clueless.

For Paul's edification, there is a delineation of job types among the various racial groups. The delineation is fuzzy and not clear cut but people know what black jobs are. For example, according to the BLS, over 20% of blacks are employed in "Production, transport and materials moving" whereas 12.1& of whites are in those jobs. They are black jobs. OTOH percentage-wise, twice as many whites are involved in construction as blacks - they are white jobs.

I'm sure Paul is already bamboozled by these numbers so I won't go on. The point is that, in the US context, people well know what are black jobs and white jobs even though it mystifies Paul.

On a slightly broader point, its always funny to see how those who claim to be full-on multiculturalists haven't the faintest idea about how others think but assume every culture is the same as their own. So Paul doesn't know what the term black job means and thinks Trump just made it up. Its why he misunderstands so much.

"Remember it was you who did ask for me to give you examples of why I objected to the ma[n]."

Foxy,

Not quite. What I asked - what I've been asking for the last 8 years of people like you and Paul, and SR before he bolted - was what POLICIES you so object to that it makes him unelectable. You've never answered that question and linking to his wikipedia bio doesn't go even close.

I know that you preen yourself every now and then on being all about policy not personality, but we see over and over that, in your case, the opposite applies.

But I won't vex you any longer with these questions. Clearly its an issue that is beyond your capacity to understand, let alone respond to.

"Gaza and the Death of Western Journalism"

As we all know, many of the people who call themselves journalists are in fact Hamas activists masquerading as journalists. We know that people claiming to be western journalists took part in the October 7 massacres.

So when such people embed themselves with Hamas militants in the service of the so-called resistance, its not the least surprising that some of them are sent off to enjoy their 70 virgins.

Speaking of Israel forcing allah to work overtime in creating virgins, three of the 'resistance's leaders have been dispatched this week. First head of Hamas’ military wing, Mohammed Deif although this might have happened a few weeks back. Then there came the killing of Hezbollah commander Fouad Shukur in Beirut who was responsible for killing kids on a soccer field who were obviously suppressing Palestinian nationhood!

Then there was the execution in Tehran of one of Hamas’ leaders Ismail Haniyeh. He was killed while sleeping in his bed in a high security Iranian Revolutionary Guard compound, showing that none of these Hamas criminals are beyond the reach of Mossad. Expect to see a sequel to the movie "Munich" in the next few years explaining this unbelievable operation.

Hamas is unravelling.

mhaze,

As the Trumpster says - "nobody knows more about this
subject than me. I know it better than anyone else.
There's nobody better than me. Everyone keeps
telling me that."

Can't argue with that.

Whatever tickles your pickle, old chap.

Cheers.

I couldn't help but notice that Paul dropped his Kamala is black tantrum as soon as a few facts were bought forth.

In fact Kamala is whatever she needs to be at the moment and all the flying monkeys will go along for the ride...

http://x.com/AlexvonRoberts1/status/1819314754973823353

Donald Trump was "unelectable" the last time, before he was actually elected.

Forget the flying monkeys.

Dorothy taught us that all you really need is a red pair
of shoes and a very loyal dog and to follow the yellow
brick road.

"Hamas is unravelling."
- They're not going to be destroyed, despite Israels attempts.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Biden orders Netanyahu into a ceasefire, I'm not sure America is in any position to take on Iran and Russia who will provide support if necessary.

Israel will probably end up nuking everything.
America will cut Israel loose if they become an existential threat to America itself.
And America has already lost too much.
Many countries have turned away.

Everything will change with the BRICS forum in October.

You're right about the Kamela facts though mhaze.
The West likes 'gotcha' moments where they can beat people over the head with things.
In this case the message is 'Trumps racist towards black people'
- Even though he already has a significant amount of support from black voters who have turned away from the Democrats en masse.

In a desperate attempt to deflect from Trumps blatant bigoted racists comments about "BLACK JOBS" and immigrants, the forum's number one Trumpster/racists, mhaze, concocted some drivel claiming Americans know what Trump was referring too with his racists rant. The fact is mhaze simply made it up on the run. What Trump was saying is immigrants from south of the border take the menial jobs that African Americans are only fit for! Mhaze YOU wouldn't have a clue about what Americans think, or don't think, you are blinded by your Trumpism.

BTW I don't give two hoots about who is US President, Dangerous Doctor Donald, Gar Gar Joe or Hot Lips Harris. They're all slimy bastards in my book, but Trump is probably slimier than the other pair, but only by degree.

Paul, I quoted numbers from the BLS. Did that go over your head?

Hi Paul,

"BTW I don't give two hoots about who is US President, Dangerous Doctor Donald, Gar Gar Joe or Hot Lips Harris. They're all slimy bastards in my book, but Trump is probably slimier than the other pair, but only by degree."

I tend to agree with your generalisations.

I no longer think in terms of 'What's best for America'
- But instead 'What's best for Australia or What's best for the world'.

I'm not sure it matters all that much who gets in, because both parties have serious drawbacks.
America has serious problems that no President can fix.

On some level I almost think the Greens candidate Jill Stein might actually be better than both of the other options.

Fighting Russia & China to Last American: Destroying US From Within| Dr. Jill Stein & Michael Hudson
http://youtu.be/3tiOp-L-uY4

""BTW I don't give two hoots about who is US President, Dangerous Doctor Donald, Gar Gar Joe or Hot Lips Harris."

Yet we only ever see you critique one side. I think you have very much picked a side but just don't have the balls to own up.

" Your man Trump is hardly better than Biden.
He sanctioned the Venezuelans and had them eating cats and dogs."

As usual AC, you've got things arse about backwards. This comes from your penchant whenever you find something bad in the world of trying to work out how to blame the US rather than trying to understand the cause of the problem.

In this case, if you go back and look at the history of Venezuela, you'll find that the Venezuelan economy had well and truly unravelled long before the US implemented any economic sanctions. Indeed the economic sanctions were implemented as a result of the Venezuelan decline which caused problems for all its neighbours including the US.

"Israel will probably end up nuking everything." Oh dear - how delusional.

"Everything will change with the BRICS forum in October."

AC the fount of never-ending predictions that things will turn out as he wants.

These will fare no better than the predictions about the imminent fall of Odessa or the massive Russian breakout following the fall of Bakhmut, neither of which, do I need remind, occurred.

The latest predictions will suffer the same fate.

Mr Mhaze Trumpster,

'Gar Gar' Biden is complicit in the Zionist genocide in Gaza, the murder of 40,000 innocent men, women and children. The bastard is also complicity in the murder of thousands in Ukraine. I've said that before on this forum, but it went over your head! So to say; "Yet we only ever see you critique one side" BS, the words of a silly old coot! I believe Harris sings off the same song sheet as Biden. Trump would start WWIII if it suited his purpose, the others would do the same if it suited them. Unlike you, I haven't "picked" a side as you claim, you only support Trump because you love far right demagogues, bigots and racists, while hating others.

So you're saying it has nothing to do with the 304bln barrels of oil Venezeula has in its reserves? (18% of the worlds total reserves)

If you think the U.S cares about the people you'd be naive.
Look at the Ukrainians, look at the Palestinians.
Munition sales are way more important than human lives to America.

Here you go NED and USAID - tools of overthrow - they don't hide it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2019/02/19/the-u-s-has-covertly-supposed-the-venezuelan-opposition-for-years/

Yes the economy did sour after 2011 / 2012, Chavez died in 2013, and Trumps oil sanctions in 2016 reduced their output from 1.8m bpd down to around a quarter of that by 2020.

But make no mistake, the U.S. certainly has had a hand in making things worse, deliberately - and why?
So they can install their puppet ruler.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/experts-react/experts-react-venezuela-sanctions-election/

"On Wednesday, the United States announced plans to reimpose oil sanctions on Venezuela—though with opportunities for exemptions—faulting Nicolás Maduro’s government for failing to uphold an agreement signed in Barbados in October 2023. The agreement was intended to put Venezuela on the path to holding a competitive presidential election in 2024, but Maduro’s government has cracked down on its political opponents ahead of the July 28 vote, including banning leading opposition candidate María Corina Machado."

Just because you're right about Chavez poor financial management, (which was really due to a reduction in oil prices) doesn't mean I'm wrong about the U.S. and it's intentions and actions.

As for Ukraine, well that's a pretty sad story now.
The West knows Ukraine can't take back any territory and it's over.
But hat Biden wants is for Zelensky to keep sending Ukrainians to die anyway, so he can scrape through till the November election.

Do you get that?
They are sending people dragged off the street with little to no training sending them straight to the front to die in a war they already know is lost just to save face before the U.S November election.
If you think the U.S. cares about Ukrainian lives, then you really are an idiot.
But of course I told you all that some 2 years back.

Non-stop flow of military transport planes from Russia landing in Tehran.
I guess Russia is returning the favour for Irans supplied drones, and also returning the favour to Netanyahu, who has supplied weapons to Ukraine to kill Russians.
Wonder how long till this mess kicks off?

Speaking of the memory hole...

Why is Albo's mouth still trying to write cheques the Australian people wont cash?
What's with all these demands for a Makarrata commission?
- After the Australian people already said no?

Albo has a history of making promises to people that he can't keep.

"If you think the U.S cares about the people you'd be naive."

So that's a "No" from AC to actually going back and looking at the history to see if the sanctions caused the Venezuelan collapse or were the result of the collapse. Typically AC there. If the history doesn't support the fantasy, then ignore the history.

"Just because you're right about Chavez poor financial management, (which was really due to a reduction in oil prices) doesn't mean I'm wrong about the U.S. and it's intentions and actions."

Well actually it does. The US doesn't need Venezuelan oil and particularly didn't need it in the Trump years when the US was a nett exporter of oil. But a destabilised Venezuela is a threat to the region and that's the US interest in the issue.

Maduro's regime is now utterly reliant on military forces from Cuba and China to suppress the Venezuelan people. Why am I not surprised you're okey-dokey with that.

""Just because you're right...."

You should start every post addressed to me with those words. </grin>

Does my last response to you give the appearance that I didn't?
Maybe you should've quoted what I said, before you responded, no?
Sometimes you really seem to like putting your own foot in your own mouth,
I'm not exactly sure why you would want to do that, it seems counter-productive.
Maybe you should put your foot in your mouth before you speak?
- It might be more helpful, as you wouldn't make yourself look foolish.

"Does my last response to you give the appearance that I didn't?"

Yes.

You see mhaze, the problem with you is you have your tongue inserted up Uncle Sams rectum.
Now me, I may have fondness for Vladimir Putin, but that's only because him and China are trying to put a stop to the type of internal meddling in nation to conduct regime changes and overthrows.

I told you all from the beginning I don't support that crap.

You want to know what all this crap in the world is really all about?
- World Government.

Zbigniew Brzezinski:
"We cannot leap into world government through one quick step... The precondition for eventual and genuine globalization is progressive regionalization because by that we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."

The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives (1997) is one of the major works of Zbigniew Brzezinski.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

Also back around that era you need to go look at George Bush and Dick Cheney's Strategic Energy Policy.
Which is basically about Americas need to control oil and energy for war.

If you ignorantly turn away from all these things, thinking everything is all roses, then you'll never actually see anything for what it really is, all you'll ever be is a useful idiot, like so many others.

Keep up the good work, they're counting on you.
- Baaaaaa

Brzezinski? You're basing your claims on Brzezinski?

Wow.

A failed apparatchik from a failed presidency is your goto guy?

Wow.

A book written a generation ago is your treatise?

Wow.

You might have noticed that the world has changed in those years. Well, not you, but someone with a clue. Even if it was true that the US policy was all about oil back two generations ago (it wasn't BTW) fracking and the advent of renewables has changed all those calculi. Or haven't you noticed.

Brzezinski? wow. Personally my goto guy is Caesar and his diaries which I use to work out what Italy's policy toward France is.

Kudos mhaze for your persistance on Trump. But you're right the Woke/ Marxist's rarely want to talk about 'why' they hate Trump.

Personally I think both Israel and Hamas are mad in their own ways and Ukraine and Russia both have issues.

We need to find an alternative to middle eastern oil this and the Suez Canal is at the root of the ME conflicts. Those that control the oil rule the world- I would prefer that the "rational" west controls the world- at least they believe in self rule as per Catholic Church independent subsidiarity.

Sometimes I'm unsure if The West or Russia is more Marxist- but Russia is run by organised crime it seems. The corruption of the western courts aren't much better at this point. At least the violence is mainly in the courtroom but more and more the violence will move to the streets. Sadly normal people seem reluctant to take action, to create sanity in policy, and law and order, in community cohesion, and protecting the vested interest of the founding culture in their own nations and cultures. It seems that the normal people have been stunned into inaction by fear, doing nothing will increase the environment of fear, and the decimation of their communities and slavery. The way to reduce fear is by creating and maintaining communities of like people, insulating the chaos outside. There must be integrity in the different levels of social hierarchy, preventing power creep, loss of identity, self sufficiency. Yet Marxism claims to be about stopping slavery- do you trust them? Wokeism has similar "aims" to Marxism, perhaps different "means"- though often they are similarly authoritarian.

We are the end result of a type of immortality, don't be responsible for it's end.
Freedom is not free- our ancestors have given their lives for us- why can't avoid our responsibilities to preserve the life of our line. Have courage in death, hopefully we have preserved something important.

It's ok to help other communities, for the common wealth. Generosity comes from strength.

Armchair Critic- Do you think that the world can be stable with more than one defining principle? Do you believe that one nation needs to manage this defining principle? Do you believe that a movement to a new global manager will create pain and death that may not be worth it?

In a sense I see the Russian conflicts as relating to the division between Slavic and Non-Slavic in just the same way as there is a division between ex-Roman and never-Roman territories in Europe north and south of the Rhine. In a sense there has been a migration of non-PIE peoples migrating into PIE/ Yamnaya Europe for the last 3,000 years and mostly European's have retreated. This includes Slavic and Hebrew cultures originating in the Middle East. There was the Chinese that invaded in the 1200-1300's and most recently the African's, Indian's, Chinese, Muslim's.

The Russian Royalty and it's British links was a chance for Russia to identify more closely with Europe that was broken with the rise of Marxism.