In what can only be described as an illegal act of murder, the Israeli Air Force attacked a convoy of aid workers from 'World Central Kitchen'(WCK) after it has received IDF clearance to move out from a Deir al-Balah warehouse, where the team had unloaded more than 100 tons of humanitarian food aid brought to Gaza. Seven aid workers were killed including an Australian citizen Lalzawmi "Zomi" Frankcom along with a Palestinian driver. World condemnation of Israel has been swift, with world leaders voicing their disgust at Israels illegal act. Speaking in Brisbane Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said Frankcom’s death was “completely unacceptable” and “beyond any reasonable circumstances”. World leaders continue to call for a ceasefire in Gaza, but Israel thumbs it nose at such calls,it is ignoring a UNSC binding resolution ordering a ceasefire. Israel is making itself a pariah state by continuing to commit this and other illegal act of murder and terror in Gaza.

After bombing the Iranian embassy and consulate in Syria yesterday, I think it's time to start sending Israeli diplomats home.

This bombing of an Aussie citizen, should not be swept under the table.
Israel is a terrorist state committing genocide for land theft.

“Illegal act of murder” my arse.

Apart from the fact that murder is always Illegal, and this wasn't wasn't murder - these people got in the way of a missile or whatever killed them when they had no business being there in the first place. I'm looking forward to the outpourings of grief and ‘compassion’ from the usual suspects who didn't know the Australian woman, and hadn't heard of her before now.

Albanese is doing the old pointless huff and puff, and threatening to ‘call in’ the Israeli ambassador; Wong is ‘demanding’ answers. More virtue signalling they think will make them popular.

“Condemnation” of Israel is always “swift” no matter what they do. Insincere bleating about an accidental death is being revved up: just one more excuse to have a go at Israel and Jews. Screeching about an “Illegal act” that was, in fact, an accident; an accident that wouldn't have happened to this Australian woman if she had had the sense to keep out of such a dangerous place.

Go for it.

Good Morning Paul,

The news is tragic. We know that foreign aid workers take
risks, however we also know that they don't take rifles
or tanks or weapons and they rely on the international
system to respect humanitarian workers. The bombing of
hospitals, the Red Cross, have always been protected during
wars. It was a given in the past that humanitarian
workers in conflict zones should be ensured safety by
combatants to carry out life-saving responses.

It is truly tragic that an Australian aid worker, working
to provide food to starving civilians has been killed in
this fashion. The worker had been doing this job for over
five years and her story is of a life dedicated to the
service of others.

The Australian government should not only press the
Israeli government to cease attacks on aid convoys and
allow safe land passage of humanitarian assistance, it
should ask the Israeli ambassador to leave the country.
Support for Israel needs to stop now.

I also was shocked to hear about this terrible event.

The convoy was shot by an unmanned aircraft.

Why did the aircraft shoot the convoy?

Perhaps it was an operator's misidentification.
Perhaps it was operating in "automatic mode" and had a software malfunction.
Perhaps the signals were jammed and the aircraft received an "attack" instruction meant for some other similar aircraft?
Perhaps the operators pressed the wrong buttons due to fatigue.
Or out of fatigue looked at the wrong screen of another aircraft and saw Hamas terrorists there.
Or perhaps the operator fell asleep and their body pushed some control as they collapsed.
Or perhaps they placed a cup of coffee in the wrong spot which pushed some control unknowingly.
Or the liquid fell on a keyboard and jammed it during a crucial period, not allowing the operator to abort the action.
Or yes, perhaps it was a malicious murder by the aircraft's operator and/or their commanders.

Will we have the patience to wait for the investigation results?

This bombing of an Aussie citizen, should not be swept under the table.
Armchair Critic,
Was he/she bombed or simply in another country's wrong place at the wrong time ? Anyone volunteering to go to a war zone is knowingly risking his life & that is closer to suicide than being murdered.
What do others think ?

A non-combatant enters a war zone and gets killed.

Shocker.

Haaretz is reporting that the Israelis believed the convoy was helping to ferry at least one Hamas operative around. If true, that puts a very different light on things. As always with these things, wait for the fog of war to disperse.

Well blow me down mhaze, a Zionist propaganda sheet, "Haaretz, is reporting that the Israelis believed the convoy was helping to ferry at least one Hamas operative around." Absolute nonsense, the US headquartered aid agency 'World Central Kitchen' for which "Zomi" Frankcom worked, stated that the convoy had been cleared by IDF to leave the warehouse just before the Zionist air force attacked. These Zionist apologists on here will say anything to defend murder by the Israels. The Zionists want no possible witnesses, such as aid workers, who could in the future attest to the Zionist crimes of murder and genocide taking place now.

The hypocrisy of some, the hard right poster ttbn says; "they had no business being there in the first place". If a disaster, natural or man made was to befall the poor old ttbn, he'd be the first to scream HELP!, I demand HELP, government give me AID.

"Anyone volunteering to go to a war zone"; never any danger of that happening to you Indy, back in the day, you dodged any kind of voluntary NATIONAL SERVICE.

Anti-Semitic immigrants to Germany are going to find it tougher to gain citizenship.

The German Interior Minister has said that “Antisemitism, racism, and other forms of contempt for humanity rule out naturalisation.”

“One surefire short-hand for establishing who means us ill is by singling out those who mean our Jews ill”.

Good stuff! Not much chance of it catching on in Australia, though, with the mindset that has Jews responsible for the evil - and the stupidity - of just about anyone who meets an end brought on by their own actions.

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Dear ttbn,

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At least 196 humanitarians have been killed since October 2023 according to the UN Humanitarian Coordinator for the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

The key UN agency providing relief to Palestinians, UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency), tweeted that 176 of its 13,000 workers on the ground have been killed since the violence erupted on 7 October 2023.

Israel claimed (1) that 12 UNRWA employees were involved in the October 2023 attacks, (2) that about 10% of the UNRWA's employees in the Gaza Strip have connections to Islamist militant groups, primarily Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and (3) that 190 UNRWA employees were militants.

Despite the lack of evidence, UNRWA immediately fired the employees concerned.

A US intelligence assessment of Israel’s claims indicated that some of the accusations were credible though impossible to verify but cast doubts on wider links to militant groups.

A subsequent investigation by UNRWA reported in February 2024 that Israel had subjected some of its (UNRWA’s) employees to falsely admit Hamas links under "forced confession", including through the use of torture.

As you are probably aware, the controversy led several major donor countries to suspend their funding of UNRWA, including the United States, Germany, and Japan. Others : Spain, Portugal and Ireland, increased theirs, following strong protests from the World Health Organization, Doctors Without Borders, and Amnesty International.
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In light of all this, ttbn, I find it difficult to imagine that the recent Israeli Air Force attack on a convoy of aid workers from 'World Central Kitchen', killing 7 aid workers including an Australian citizen, Lalzawmi "Zomi" Frankcom, and a Palestinian driver … was just an accident.

But perhaps you have evidence to the contrary.

If you do, would you kindly let us have the details ?

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The tragedy of all this is that the innocent on both sides
will continue to suffer. Anti-Semitism will rise, and anyone
daring to criticize the IDF actions will be accused of supporting
Hamas. Which is not good for any attempts at peace negotiations.

Israel needs to take responsibility for this act - and not
attempt to spin out of it.

Even in war - humanitarian aid should be a given and protected
and recognized by both sides.

There is no evidence that the people stupid enough to be in a war zone were deliberately targeted by Israel. Showing photos of a big hole in the middle of a logo on a vehicle justs whips up rage against Isreael - as if there wasn't enough of that already!

If you don't go into a war zone when you clearly do not need to, you won't get killed. Nothing is going to make these particular idiots live again; there will be no consequences for Israel. All the incident has done is to provide the usual Israel/Jew haters another opportunity to rant and rave - in vain. Israel is going to continue doing what it is until Israel, and only Israel, is satisfied that it is safe.

All the moralising and pontificating by po-faced do-gooders will fizzle out within a week, just as the outrage over a female activist, flattened by a bulldozer because she was also stupid enough to go all the way from America to protest in Israel, fizzled out a couple of years ago.

The media feeds on these occasions and opportunities to stir up all the cage-rattlers.

The hypocrisy and antisemitism is breathtaking. Ukraine was attacked without provocation (unless living with greater freedom and prospects is provocation). There is over ten fold the death and destruction of Gaza. Water and power are deliberately targeted by the Russian army. Aid workers and independent journalists are actively targeted by the Russian Army. War crimes by the Russian army are frequent and unabating.

I'm sure that people are upset and would protest but I guess there is no point as everyone is already aware of the depravity of terrorist Russia. And no doubt Jules would be documenting the Russian atrocities via Wikileaks, but unfortunately he can't help as he doesn't speak Russian. So all that is left to do is Jew bashing.

How long can Israel continue to play the victim role?

You can't be a victim when you're causing the problems.
And "Jew bashing," not longer applies when you're the
ones doing the bashing and have been for decades.

How long can Israel continue to play the victim role?
Foxy,
I can only guess that Israel will continue as long as Hamas continues !

Is there any evidence of the majority of Palestinians denouncing Hamas or vice versa ?

Dear Ttbn,

«Israel is going to continue doing what it is until Israel, and only Israel, is satisfied that it is safe.»

Well and good, but "Israel" as such no longer exists - there is the criminal Netanyahu and his gang on the one side and the majority of the Israeli people on the other. Israel is not safe and is not going to be safe for the foreseeable future, not because of Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah and the other Islamic enemies without, but because it is on the brink of a civil war.

While I find it hard to believe that either Israel's government or any IDF generals authorised this killing, in this atmosphere and with the Israeli Nazi party in Netanyahu's coalition promising to back any IDF soldier and prevent their prosecution unconditionally and indiscriminately, it is quite possible that one or more Israeli soldiers took upon themselves the private job of killing aid workers.

At present Israel has no responsible adult to answer the allegations of deliberate murder of aid workers and be believed - perhaps good grandfather Joe Biden, who cares for the Israelis and for the Israeli hostages much more than their own government does.

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Dear Foxy,

«How long can Israel continue to play the victim role?»

Israelis ARE the victims - of Netanyahu!

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Dear Indyvidual,

«Is there any evidence of the majority of Palestinians denouncing Hamas or vice versa ?»

A recent survey indicates that 71% support Hamas' attack on October 7th, down from 72% in December and about double Hamas' support before the war.

64% believe that Hamas will win the war, down from 70% in December.

49% believe that Hamas is more worthy of representing the Palestinian people than their present government.

Most though prefer Marwan Barghouti over Hamas and all the rest, who would easily win Palestinian elections should he be released from the Israeli prison where he serves 5 life sentences for murder.

Yuyutsu,
thank you for the info. From where I'm standing & going by your info it looks like this mayhem will continue for some time yet !

The general public in Israel supports Netanyahu's policies
according to the daily newspaper "Israel Hayom."

Even if Netanyahu gets kicked out things will change
only when his political legacy of maintaining the status
quo is gone.

The evidence is growing that this was a premeditated Zionist attack on innocent unarmed civilian aid workers. The Zionists want to silence any independent eyewitnesses to their murder and genocide in Gaza. The so called "investigation" by the Zionist into this atrocity will be nothing more than a whitewash and cover up. Something the forums Pro Zionist sycophants are ready to accept.

Just as the Nazi's tried to cover up their crimes of genocide against the Jews, the Jews are now trying to cover up their crimes of genocide against the Palestinians.

Hi Foxy,

"Das Reich Newspaper" was still claiming Germany was winning the war, as late as 1944. "Israel Hayom Newspaper" also makes pro Zionist claims.

If the hostages were returned and Gazans removed the terrorist government and Jew killing military infrastructure, that would be a great start toward Gaza becoming peaceful and prosperous.

Dear Paul,

«The evidence is growing that this was a premeditated Zionist attack on innocent unarmed civilian aid workers.»

Zionists of all people? Can you please share with us your source(s) of information?

How can you tell that the perpetrators (if indeed this was deliberate) are Zionists rather than anti-Zionist Netanyahu or his Nazi friends?

If there was evidence, wonder boy would have produced it. The "Zionist' label is getting pretty boring, too.

This is a country fighting for its very survival. It has been doing it for 75 years. And what to we get? -ankers making claims without evidence and bleating crap about Zionism.

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Dear ttbn,

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Netanyahu and the Israeli army have admitted that they are responsible for the bombing and killing of the 7 international humanitarian aid workers and their Palestinian driver and that it was a “grave mistake”.

José Andrés, head of the World Central Kitchen humanitarian organisation, accused Israel of deliberately launching the airstrikes.

Netanyahu declared that his government would investigate the incident, though such probes are usually not completed in a timely fashion and rarely produce conclusions that bring accountability. Andrés replied that he welcomed the guarantee of an investigation, but would not accept Israel’s assertion that the attack was not deliberate.

He indicated that the vehicles had a clearly visible WCK logo on their roofs so that the military would be aware the cars were full of aid workers. WCK said it was also in constant communication with Israeli military and civilian officials so that they were aware of the vehicles’ movements.

After Israeli forces struck the first car, the aid team tried to escape to a second car in the convoy. When that car was struck, the workers then fled to a third car, where they were killed in yet another strike.

“They were targeting us in a deconflicting zone, in an area controlled by IDF. They knew that it was our teams moving on that road,” Andrés told Reuters, adding that Israel targeted the aid workers “systematically, car by car.”

Netanyahu admits responsibility in this video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDX1_Q-Axa8

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Dear Banjo Paterson,

«He indicated that the vehicles had a clearly visible WCK logo on their roofs so that the military would be aware the cars were full of aid workers.»

What are the chances that every 20 years old IDF second lieutenant, with English only as second language, with so many other concerns and bombarded by some 100 pieces of new information an hour while extremely fatigued after months of little sleep, would know what "WCK" means?

I haven't heard of WCK before this tragedy, so I wouldn't!

Thank you Banjo Paterson, I hope that satisfies the Zionists sycophant.

ttbn; I will use the word Zionist ( word for terrorists in my book) as often as I like, I don't care is if is upsetting to you. I don't like using the word Israeli, because I believe the Israeli people in the main are good people, wanting to live a peaceful life, caught up in circumstances beyond their control.

Yuyutsu, you can surmise all you like about second lieutenants with poor English, lacking sleep etc, the facts are clear, this was a premeditated war crime that should not go unpunished.

"I (Yuyutsu) haven't heard of WCK before this tragedy" So what, you probably haven't heard of 99% of the charities in this world anyway. Means nothing.

Where are the regular forum Zionist sycophants now, keeping their traps shut on this one.

Dear Paul,

«the facts are clear, this was a premeditated war crime»

Possibly and if so, then where is the proof?

If so, then I will be the first to condemn whoever did it, Zionist or otherwise!

Captions on the usual no-proof reference, not Netanyahu, said that he admitted it, not Netanyahu himself. We don't know what Netanyahu actually said. It has been reported in media more respected than YouTube that he, obviously, knows that the deaths occurred, and that there will be an investigation.

There is certainly nothing to indicate that trespassers onto a battlefield were targeted, as the resident lunatic seems to think.

Why this Banjo Paterson character addresses me personally all the time instead of just stating his opinion, I don't know. As far as I know, he doesn't even live in Australia, despite his purloining of the name of one of our writers. To me, it's just a feeble attempt to close me down. That's going to work - pig's arse.

Perhaps, like Armchair Critic, who is also obsessed with shonky references, he is an expert linguist who reads and speaks Hebrew.

Leftists have replaced the Nazis as the leading anti-Semites, and they will do anything to express their hatred, even to the point of excusing terrorists and declaring them “innocent” victims, subjected to Israeli “genocide”. The last time this sort of filth and hatred was being openly expressed, we had a world war.

I note that Paul 1405 still thinks that he has the power to “upset” other posters, when in fact, he just continues to make a dick of himself.

The IDF had authorised this aid-giving group into Gaza.
And the group should have been given an escort into the
area for its safety. This did not happen. It shows either the
incompetence of the IDF or malicious intent. Either way the
responsibility lies with the IDF and something needs to be
done to ensure this does not happen again.

A few more days and this unfortunate but minor incident will be off the radar of the keyboard warriors. Most people with lives to live and and affairs to see to will not have registered the occurrence.

Seven people killed who would still be alive if they had had common sense.

Uncorroborated numbers of Gazans killed because of Hamas.

When I see these figures, I think of the 6 million Jews deliberately killed in a short period of time by animals like Hamas, just because they were Jews. Plus all the Jews who have been persecuted and murdered for two thousand years.

Wong's constant ranting about "proportionality" from Israel is gobsmacking idiocy and ignorance.

Yuyutsu,

<<Why did the aircraft shoot the convoy?>>

The real question to ask is what were the causational factors that lead to the Israeli government and military getting involved in Gaza since last year?

These are obvious and I don't need to state these again here.

The Israeli government and military though have taken action that goes well beyond (re justifications) in terms of what originally occurred re Hamas activity and the number of hostages still kept under Hamas control.

So, with that in mind, the Israeli Government and military must take full responsibility in terms of what continues to occur here (in all areas) and it must be noted a lot of hostages are still kept in a hostage environment.

What the Israeli Government has done so far alongside the military there is not working either in terms of freeing hostages.

There is a need for a complete rethink by Israel and with that we may see a reduction in the loss of lives, including those providing aid and assistance in Gaza, plus the return of hostages at the same time.

So it is not about one investigation and waiting for outcomes over this one incident. The Israeli government needs to revise its whole approach from top to bottom.

As a person who is for the sanctity of life, I look at these situations and I am left feeling gutted.

Dear Nathan,

There is no way to understand and explain Israel's poor performance in this war, both militarily and humanitarily, other than that Israel's prime minister is a criminal on the run who would do anything and sacrifice anyone, including the Israeli hostages, in order to prolong the war as much as possible. He knows very well that the end of the war will also spell his own personal end. Any decent leader would instead have committed 100 Harakiris in his place, but Netanyahu on his way to jail leaves behind a river of other people's blood.

Netanyahu's biggest nightmare is to see the Israeli hostages released, because then the majority of Israelis will no longer have an appetite for war. Instead, he argues that the only way to release the hostages is to hit Gaza harder and many Israelis fall for this, because all that most Israelis care for is the release of their loved ones who undergo the worst of hells in Gaza. However, Netanyahu lingers and buys time by keeping the war flame low, failing to keep his promise to hit harder (and finish the war by killing the remaining Hamas terrorists before Ramadan starts), and meanwhile both the Gazans and the hostages are dying of hunger, thirst and treatable diseases, not even mentioning the many IDF casualties.

You should not blame the IDF because it only obeys orders, often while grinding its teeth.
In contrast to Netanyahu and his evil government, all IDF generals already declared on their own volition that they will resign once the war ends due to their failure to foresee and be prepared to prevent the horrors of October 7th.

You are not the only one who feels gutted - most Israelis also do.

One more possibility, now circulating in Israel, is that information as if the convoy consisted of Hamas terrorists posing as WCK aid workers, was provided by double agents, Gazans whom Israel secretly recruited (and there are many of these) and believed to be working for Israel, but whose true loyalty remained with Hamas.

Will we ever know the truth?

Dear Nathan,

The following link may be of interest.
It is written by an Israeli who lives in Tel Aviv.
He asks the question - "Should I support Israel or
Palestine? " His name is Noam Cohen. He wrote his article
on "Quora."

If you go into the link I give and click onto -
"Should I support Israel or Palestine?"

You'll be able to read his article.

In my opinion it's worth a read.

http://quora.com/profile/Noam-Cohen-6

If it were not for Netanyahu and the IDF, all Israelis would be "gutted", literally, and much worse

ttbn,

You seem to get upset all the time on this forum, throwing abuse at others, as you do. In this case you dismiss the murder of the aid works as a "minor incident" something "unfortunate", well I can only guess your demise under tragic circumstances would be to your "loved ones" assuming you have any, an unfortunate minor incident. Can anyone be as cold heart'd as this bloke.

Dear Ttbn,

«If it were not for Netanyahu and the IDF, all Israelis would be "gutted", literally, and much worse»

If it were not for methane and oxygen, we would all suffocate, literally, and much worse.

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Dear ttbn,

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The Israeli military dismissed two officers and reprimanded three others for their roles in the drone strikes in Gaza that killed the seven international aid workers and their Palestinian driver. They were said to have mishandled critical information and violated the army’s rules of engagement :

http://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-palestinians-strikes-investigation_n_660fd436e4b04fa3961454bb?utm_source=cordial&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=hp-us-reg-morning-email_2024-04-05&utm_term=us-morning-email&email_hash=6c94cf0ee1008b85ff77dccba90d61e8db553048
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Biden is reported to have told Netanyahu that any future U.S. support will depend on Israel protecting civilians in Gaza and that he has urged an "immediate cease-fire" :

http://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-israel-military-support_n_660ee838e4b083254eab5b57?utm_source=cordial&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=hp-us-reg-morning-email_2024-04-05&utm_term=us-morning-email&email_hash=6c94cf0ee1008b85ff77dccba90d61e8db553048
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Also, I noticed in one of your recent posts, ttbn, that you wonder why I address you “personally all the time” on this thread. It seems I owe you an explanation.

In your very first post, you indicated :

« … these people got in the way of a missile or whatever killed them when they had no business being there … an “Illegal act” that was, in fact, an accident … Go for it. »

I took that to be an open invitation for discussion – apparently, mistakenly.

Sorry about that. I'll reply to any of your future remarks without mentioning that it was you who made them.

No harm done, I hope !

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The Zionists in light of world criticism have "punished" a few scapegoats.

"The army (IDF) declined to answer questions about whether similar violations of rules of engagement have taken place during the war — in which Palestinians, aid workers and international rights groups have repeatedly accused the army of recklessly striking civilians. More than 220 humanitarian workers have been killed in the conflict, according to the U.N."

The accidental death of one Australia plus half-a dozen others barely mentioned has been a real boon for the raging anti-Semites and Israel-haters. Only a few days to go before they'll have to find something else to bang on about. The only thing that lasts is their permanent rage about everything little thing that displeases them.

Beyond and above these isolated opportunities for ranting sessions from anti-Semites and the loony-Left in general is the question: do you want victory for Isrsael and the West, or do you want victory for Hamas and Iran. Nothing else matters. All this nonsense about Israel having to care for the enemy, feed them, refrain from killing them, is utter bullsh-t. Gazans are the responsibility of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, the thugs that got them into their current situation in the first place.

The majority of Israelis, Left Right and indifferent, want Hamas wiped out. That should be the only thing of interest to all but a few nutjobs.

For the hard right posters, who have for years been banging on about the dangers of non-whites, particularly Muslims and their undesirability as people have a simple philosophy when it comes to Palestinians, it goes like this;

Muslims are bad, Palestinians are Muslims, Palestinians are bad. Very simple is it not ttbn.

BTW; a poster who likes to throw stones. How many Australia's are there? You said; "The accidental death of one Australia" I am aware of only one Australia, if there is another Australia thanks for letting us know. so if there is only one and its dead, where are we? The other stone thrower mhaze, will want to "here" that news.

The ranter-in-chief in all this has been Albanese, using the incident to veil his dislike of Israel.

He arrogantly and ignorantly said that Australians were “outraged” by it. He doesn't have a clue about Australians and what they think.

A more unaware Prime Minister has never existed.

There was no “outrage” talk from him about October 7.

His use of the word, “unacceptable” in relation to the death of one Australian for being where she should not have been is silly. It's unacceptable for people to go into a war zone, unnecessarily, and expect to be safe.

Further, this buffoon threatened (without any authority to do so) that Israel would lose support.

A good many Australians would be outraged by that comment.

Albanese Labor detests Israel. Albanese's politically-inspired “outrage” is for the benefit of a few electorates full of his imports.

Scott Morrison was an authoritarian leader. He made
decisions and announcements without consulting his team.
As a national leaders the man tested the mood and
followed the trend. He did not attempt to lead on any
issue.

It's a matter of what kind of leader voters prefer.

I think that a government should be a team effort, not a
personality cult. Yet some voters prefer a Trumpian style
government as we can see on the American PBS News programs.

To me our current Prime Minister acts like a leader.
He supports and enables his team. He raises issues, explains
the problem, and proposes solutions for consideration.
He is consultative and inclusive. He takes advise and has
not boasted about his achievements.

Governments should be a team effort, not based on a
personality cult.

In my humble opinion.

Here is a link from a doctor who's actually worked
in Gaza refuting the information that Israeli
forces are putting out to justify their behaviour:

http://irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41367394.html

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The lack of empathy of the Israelis for the Palestinians is explicable. After 2,000 years without a home and the Holocaust that exterminated 6 million Jews, they feel vulnerable.

It's explicable and understandable, but that doesn't mean it's excusable. Having experienced such terrible injustice and suffering themselves, one might have expected them to be sensitive to the suffering of other innocent victims as they were themselves.

According to polls in November 2023, 57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza, 36.6% said the IDF was using an appropriate amount of firepower, while just 1.8% said they believed the IDF was using too much firepower, and 4.2% said they weren’t sure whether it was using too much or too little firepower.

The same polls indicated that 49.5% of respondents said that they trusted the IDF more than Prime Minister Netanyahu, while just 7.3% said they trusted Netanyahu more than the IDF.

Support for a two-state solution also went down slightly among Jewish Israelis, dropping from 37.5% in favour of a two-state solution to 28.6% supporting the idea in the aftermath of the Oct. 7 attacks.

http://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/

Of course, despite the monstrosity of the crimes committed against the Jews, nothing can justify the mass bombings and destruction committed by the Israelis against the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza of which innocent women and children are the principal victims.

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No one with an ounce of fairness is accepting the Zionist whitewash of this whole disgusting war crime. The "quick as you can" report by a couple of biased ex IDF people is a joke, its unacceptable to all except the bunch of far right Usual Suspects, like those on this Forum.

Hi Foxy,

You asked for "COMPASSION" from the Hard Right Brigade on the Forum, unless it means hate and bigotry, me thinks you ask for too much.

Foxy uses the same reference in two different threads.

Some unknown Irishmen says something she agrees with in a foreign newspaper, so it must be right.

It's all too easy to look up stuff on Google that might be right or it might be wrong because it can't be authenticated.

If Foxy was a librarian, as she so often tells us, she would know about 'junk citations'. Perhaps she wasn't and she doesn't. It's easy to tell lies and fantasise online.

Junk citations or references are those that are wrong, irrelevant, misleading, corrupt, uninformative, useless, or purely rhetorical; pervasive groupthink references that confirm left-wing biases are rarely double-checked.

References should be checked to see if their writer has explained how he came to his conclusions.

References to third parties must come with information about what research they did to back what they say.

Dear Paul,

«The "quick as you can" report by a couple of biased ex IDF people is a joke»

So you rather they did it in slow-motion?

Those responsible were found.
They honestly believed that there were Hamas fighters in the front car, because it was similar to the cars used by Hamas.
Then when the people from the front car fled to the other two cars, they shot them too.
The "WCK" stickers were not visible from above because it was night and the stickers were not thermal.
Nevertheless, the officers in charge, a major and a reserves brigadier (a bloody West-Bank settler in his civil life), acted recklessly and against their orders when they failed to seek higher authorisation to shoot the vehicles despite them posing no immediate threat, and for that they were dismissed. The dismissed officers in the front command post were not told about the presence of that type of vehicle in the convoy - but their superiors were informed about it, and had they been asked then they would not have authorised that attack. Their superiors, up to the rank of general, were also reprimanded for not enforcing the orders strongly enough in their units.

It did not take long to uncover exactly what happened and to take the appropriate disciplinary action. The investigation was swift, there could be further international investigations, but I am convinced that they won't find anything other than was was already discovered.

Hi Yuyutsu,

Its no surprise that these "findings" are exactly the minimum outcome the US regime should find acceptable, how fortuitous for the Zionists. The whole thing stinks to high heaven as a whitewash and cover up.

Anyone, any organisation, investigating itself will always lack credibility.

BTW, who were the independent non-bias members of the "investigating" bods? Was anyone from the charity or the UN, or a neutral person allowed to observe the proceeding? NO!

Hi Paul,

Australia has strongly demanded"from Israel that with
the IDF's military's "deadly failure" in protecting aid workers
Israel must take "appropriate action" against the individuals
involved in this incident.

Australia is asking for clear, practical action to ensure this
tregedy is never repeated and that it must not be covered
over.

But of course it will be. Israel has so far ignored all
international laws and rules. And undoubtedly will go on
committing war crimes until the US stops founding and supporting
its actions.

I've said previously the Israeli hostages are simply being used as pawns by the Israeli government and that the Israeli government cares little about its own people. It places young people in prison for refusing to be part of mandated military service, with some in prison for time periods of around 120 days and higher.

It is also a difficult issue when your country has conscription, and the principle of mandated military service is put into the minds of people that such activity should be common practice. You also have people who rebel against conscription being disowned and shamed.

However, I have respect for people doing other things, like this chef in Ukraine who is feeding refugees for free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6f6Yi1mhXI

No it's not seen as admirable as being in the military to many, but for me, serving food and supporting others is something I rate highly. That is why I take the view there must be full responsibility taken when those providing aid lose their lives in conflicts like in Gaza and an alternative not found (in terms of direction).

Again, it's not about one individual case in terms of an Australian here. Others have lost their lives in terms of daily assistance in Gaza providing food, medical treatment and aid.

Ultimately the reasons for the Israeli Government being in Gaza go way beyond what is justified (based on what originally occurred) and as a result both the Government and military must be held to account - otherwise where does responsibility lie?

It must also be noted, with mandated military service I agree you can't put all the blame on the IDF. After all you will end up with people who have no real idea of what they are doing and there will be loss of life that could have been avoided.

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As I write, (Sunday 7 April) the antagonists are in Cairo negotiating some sort of deal.

According to one report, Hamas is sending its top representative Khalil Al-Hayya, to Egypt to participate in a new round of negotiations, with diplomats and Security Service heads of Egypt, Qatar, the US and Israel – but there is some doubt that the Israeli delegation will attend, following Hamas' latest refusal of Israel's proposal.

Maybe they’ll find something else to talk about – a two-state solution, perhaps ?

In the meantime, I found an interesting article on the Global Research website in Montreal written by a peace activist, Donald Smith, who has a Ph.D. in Computer Science and lives in Washington. I thought I should share it with you :

http://www.globalresearch.ca/senior-us-diplomats-journalists-academics-secretaries-defense-say-us-provoked-russia-ukraine/5852995

Perhaps I should also add, for the record, that I consider pacifism to be a very noble philosophy but a totally unrealistic and ineffective defence strategy. I am more inclined to think that if you want peace, you should prepare for war.

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Reading between the lines this is my thoughts on what happened as in
another post, too lazy to rewrite it !

From what I have heard of the deaths of the World Kitchen killings
it seems as though there was not enough feedback from the attack
controllers to the those controlling movements such as aid people.
When the attack controllers saw what they thought were Hamas they
presumed the status of the convoy had changed. By takeover ?
That should have been confirmed by continuing to watch them.
That was not done and seven people died.

One reason given was that the Kitchen vehicles do not have radios.
Encrypted radios are available but Hamas could capture one is probably
why they have not been used but there could be a way around that.
The encryption could changed every few minutes.
I am sure our military has already solved that problem.

Hopefully it is a lesson learned.

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Some helpful facts :

According to a Palestinian public opinion poll, 71% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza supported the Hamas attack on Oct. 7. Many see it as a triumph of resistance to Israeli oppression. But only 1 in 5 Palestinians surveyed in the poll said they saw videos showing what Israelis endured the day of the Hamas assault.

Hamas and Israel each see themselves as the victim and the other as the aggressor.

After 2,000 years without a home, Israel was created for the Jewish people in Palestine in 1948.

In 1947, the UN General Assembly voted on a plan to create two states. The Arab state with a territory of 11,100 km or 42%, the Jewish state with a territory of 14,100 km or 56%, while the remaining 2%—comprising the cities of Jerusalem, Bethlehem and the adjoining area—would become an international zone.

The Jews accepted the plan but the Arabs rejected it. It was obviously unfair. The Arab population was twice the size of the Jewish population and they owned most of the land. The Jews only owned 6-7% of it.

War broke out and more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half the Palestinian Arab population at the time – fled from their homes or were expelled, at first by Zionist paramilitaries, and later by the Israeli army following the establishment of the state of Israel.

The expulsion and flight of the Palestinian Arabs is known as the Nakba. Many Arabs were massacred, their villages were destroyed, their village wells poisoned, and their properties looted to prevent them from returning.

Palestinians still lack a homeland 76 years later, in 2024. There are now 6 million Palestinian refugees, representing successive generations of families who fled or were forced from their homes and not allowed to return.

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Dear Banjo,

Thanks for the information.

I am beginning to be unable to watch the TV programs of
the news. The images are so horrific.

Dear Foxy,

«I am beginning to be unable to watch the TV programs of
the news. The images are so horrific.»

Good on you - it is so much healthier without, I never had a TV and will never want to have one!

Thank you for your kind words Yuyutsu.