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Religious Freedom - Or the Right To Discriminate?

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"Foxy promotes a belief system that is Communism...... Paul on the other hand believes in anarchy"..... Where is Josephus on the scale of isms, right up the top, often promoting racism and white supremacy in his posts. Proud Boy Jose' still believes Aboriginals were happy and contented living under rusty old iron sheets on river banks, whilst the gubba's like himself were warm and cosy living in town.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 31 March 2024 3:58:43 PM
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Dear Paul,

Thank you for your good questions.

With objects, indeed for two objects to come closer to each other, they need to exist. What separates any two objects, like Earth and Zog, is space, so to come closer, the amount of that space between them (i.e., distance), needs to be reduced.

God, on the other hand, isn't an object (not even the Bible claims that), and what separates us from God is not space - what separates us and God is our ignorance.

Ignorance works in two ways: it obscures the truth, and it substitutes something else, some illusion in its place.

In our case, the truth is that We and God are one and the same, and the illusion that substitutes it, is that we are just limited human-beings (itself an object).

Religion provides methods to reduce, and eventually eliminate, our ignorance of our true identity, that being God.

Specifically, and I am being extremely sketchy here for brevity, religion teaches that it is our sins that play a large part in holding our ignorance together, so once we improve our character and recover from our sins, that veil of ignorance that separates us from God will not hold for much longer.

Christianity [at its best, before being corrupted] is one such approach and set of methods to overcome sin.

These methods do work independently of God's existence or otherwise, but how can you convince people to start practising them?

It is a fact of life that many beginners would only be motivated to practice these methods if they expect to gain some material rewards from it. After a while they can realise that there is so much more to gain from the practices than material rewards, but for that they somehow first need to make a start.

Some clergy conveniently allowed their flock to believe that God were an object in order to explain why they can also gain materially from these methods (which happens to be true but with a very different explanation).
That made them popular, yet incorrect. Unfortunately, some clergy started believing so themselves.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 31 March 2024 4:46:37 PM
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Foxy seems to believe in no walls for White people this is Anti-White genocide. White people aren't allowed to protect their own culture in Foxy world. Can Aboriginal's protect their own culture, can Hebrew's protect their own culture, can Palestinian's protect their own culture. Foxy appears to be an Anti-White murderer.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 31 March 2024 6:31:45 PM
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Hi again Yuyutsu,

Christian religion propagates the notion of the existence of God as a separate supernatural being. John 4:24 says "God is a spirit" and a spirit has to exist. Therefore if God as a sprite does not exist, then you cannot become closer to the non reality God, either spiritually or physically. Christians believe that on death if their sins against God are forgiven they will enter into the presences of God, but if God does not exist then they cannot be in God's presence. Agree?

My priest friend realising that the Biblical account of Angels was bunk, tried to invent a new interpretation on the run. But I disagreed, the Bible even goes to the far fetched extent of giving names to certain Angels like Michael and Gabriel. I also said does not the Bible also claim certain Angels through free will we cast out of Heaven and descended into Hell with the Angel Lucifer. How can messages as opposed to messengers have names and free will? Then when the argument is lost the religious will throw out the great red herring called "FAITH"!
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 31 March 2024 7:04:50 PM
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Dear Paul,

Firstly, Lucifer is not mentioned in the Bible.
Isaiah 14 actually refers to a nickname/simile of the king of Babylon.

«John 4:24 says "God is a spirit" and a spirit has to exist.»

In context, along the previous verse [John 4:23-24]:

"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth".

The word "spirit" can mean "ghost", but it can also mean "non-material" as well as "the real meaning or the intention".

Reading the two verses together, they clearly are not speaking of ghosts, but about the mode of worship which needs to be adopted. In fact, any dealings with ghosts are strongly shunned by the Bible.

«Christians believe that on death if their sins against God are forgiven they will enter into the presences of God, but if God does not exist then they cannot be in God's presence. Agree?»

Agreed: one cannot be in God's presence, because in order to be in the presence of someone there must be two separate persons, whereas in truth one cannot be separate from God.

Nevertheless, this concept of "entering the presence of God" has its place as a devotional expression - it describes a strong emotion of love and reverence towards God rather than an accurate situation.

As for angels, people seem to be quite confused about them,
so I rather leave the question of their existence or otherwise for science.
Perhaps you want to be the one who breaks through and finds the answers?
That would certainly be worthy of a Nobel prize!

Nevertheless, thinking of angels, sometimes even believing in their existence, can at times be beneficial - both religiously and emotionally. That varies from person to person and from situation to situation. I am happy to deliberate and explore when, where and to whom it is helpful to believe in them, but the objective questions I live for science.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 31 March 2024 9:58:47 PM
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Foxy is not against "anti-white." She sees the world
in all the wonderful multi-colours that it truly is. In
all its diversity. She believes in building bridges not
walls.

She also believes that mean-spiritedness with petty and
ungracious actions towards others should have no place
in our society. But she also realizes that there are
prickly, abrasive, and churlish people, who are bad-
tempered, rude and cruel, coarse, vulgar and uncouth,
spiteful and malicious.

Those people's views are really none of our business.
They should be treated like graffitti on public toilet
walls.

If each of us fights cruelty, injustice, and greed in
our own little worlds perhaps there will be no need for
the next generation to go to war
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 1 April 2024 8:42:30 AM
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