Yuyutsu,

No. I am not out because it is convenient for me.
I'm out as far as you are concerned.

As I stated earlier I am not responsible
for how you feel or react. I'm only responsible for
what I do and my intentions. Your interpretations are
your own and frankly none of my business.

I'm going to step away and come back when I have the
time and will to argue. For now you've crossed the
line . You have gone too far. And for me your behaviour
is a bit too weird.

Yuyutsu, Gender ideology is part of the issue that Christian Churches and religious schools face. Obviously foxy dismisses sources and is incapable of facing logical arguments. She probably did not watch the clip because of her opinion of Rebel news. Her mind is closed to debate.

Dear Josephus,

«Gender ideology is part of the issue that Christian Churches and religious schools face.»

Yes, and not just them, but these are cultural issues, not religious ones, whereas the topic here is about religious freedom.

To the best of my knowledge, no Australian Catholic/Christian school ever wished, suggested or has any reason to expel students or teachers due to their sexual orientation. Indeed why would they?

In the hypothetical and academic discussion that ensued, I supported their right to do so if they wished, although that would be a completely unrealistic scenario and out of character.

Of course, gay ideologists/activists are a different category altogether because they disrupt the peaceful learning environment, that even if they are heterosexual themselves in their personal lives. I can well understand why they are unwanted in schools.

I have mentioned before in this forum that I have both homosexual and transgender members in my extended family: none of them was ever gay, none of them ever participated in gay demonstrations or parades - they have no interest whatsoever in that rubbish. The homosexual member has a very respected job and raises two beautiful boys with his male partner, both the biological sons of the same lesbian mother who continues to see them with her partner - his children in effect enjoy having two fathers and two mothers!

Yuyutsu, I have nothing personal against any person's choices, however I do not consider they belong in the Church or in religious education of children. Their lifestyles are not new, they have been around for millennia, and the Christian Church emerged during the Roman period from such practices.

If you note Foxy's believes no one else is allowed an opinion other than hers, by her outright rejection of my sources.

Jose'

Would you be happy to see Catholic clergy return on mass to Catholic schools? These religious have extremely bad reputations, do they not. Agree?

Dear Josephus,

Of course you are allowed to have your own opinions, this is OLO after all!

And I must say that I like some of them very much.

«Their lifestyles are not new, they have been around for millennia»

There is no such thing as "homosexual lifestyle": if you saw my relative you could not have guessed that at home his intimate partner happens to be a male. He does not trumpet it around like the gays, I only know about it because he comes with his partner to family gatherings.

«I do not consider they belong in the Church or in religious education of children.»

But why?

I understand that some Christian conservatives believe that homosexuality is a sin, but then who is religion for? for the saints and angels? not for sinners like you and me? Did Jesus also reject sinners?

Of course, if someone goes around the schoolyard and continuously preaches that stealing is good and everyone should do it, then they do not belong there.

No, this is not a religious issue, but a cultural one, regarding a certain culture that was historically formed around some Christian Churches, possibly as you say, in opposition to Roman culture.

Not to speak of religion even, when people wish to preserve their culture (and assuming they are not in receipt of public funds), then I will fight, with tooth and nail, for their freedom to do so, including against any law that tries to stop them.

This is granted, but is preserving one's culture even more important than delivering God's good news?

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Dear Paul,

«These religious have extremely bad reputations, do they not. Agree?»

I don't.

While I agree that Catholic clergy has a bad reputation today, I do not agree that the paedophiles among them were religious.