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The Forum > General Discussion > If We Ban Nazi Symbols - Why Not Soviet Ones As Well?

If We Ban Nazi Symbols - Why Not Soviet Ones As Well?

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The Swastika seemingly a symbol depicting an idealized "storm or cyclone" is also an ancient British symbol even China's Taoist Ying Yang may be related. The swastika with the right facing arms appears to represent "power" (sometimes manliness) and the swastika with the left facing arms appears to represent "change" (sometimes femininess) (Ying Yang appears also to have right and left handed forms).

Perhaps this is why in WWII the lightening bolt symbol was associated with the swastika and German elite special forces soldiers were called "storm-troopers".

The swastika seems to be an ancient symbol perhaps one even associated with the first writing or pre-written history. All organisations try to market their activities in a way that motivates it towards their goals.

The god Zeus carried a lightening bolt as a weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt
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Armchair Critic said "Finally, we can all criticise the Soviets, but you should also remember one thing, if it wasn't for their sacrifice, you'd have grown up speaking German and reciting Mein Kamf.
The Soviets saved the world from the NAZIs"

If the Communists didn't exist the Nazi's wouldn't have existed because Nazism was a reaction to Communism even though it came from Communism (Nazism "was a form of"/ "split from" Socialism). It appears that the Nazi's considered that Communism was part of a Hebrew multipronged strategy to gain power in Europe that had been in progress for 2000 years- in this sense the war and post war remediations could be considered as a battle between the Hebrew Nihilists and the Traditional Anti-Nihilists.

The Nazi's felt that they needed to extract the Nihilist Communists and hangers on "decisively" but the British felt that a more gentle approach was appropriate "indecisive"/ strategic ambiguity epitomized by PM Neville Chamberlain's approach.

Frank Kitson in Low Level Insurgency talks about communist strategy- communists terrorise the institutions by strike and fade attacks and then recruit the resultant crackdown disenchanted.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 12:09:04 PM
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The reaction to terrorist attacks often means police and security forces will conduct house to house searches to find the terrorists- this results in abuse of the community- as a result the community will resent the institutions on mass. The communists effectively use the masses to attack their own institutions and replace them with communist equivalents. The police and security forces are a blunt instrument to use against an "intelligence war". The SAS use hearts and minds in order to get the locals on their side- they 1. bring a gift 2. talk about philosophy and 3. ask for information- they try not to threaten the locals. Ironic that the so called archetypical "notorious special forces" are more diplomatic than the police. In Japan and Britain the police know their communities- if something strange happens they know where to look.

Sometimes Communists don't need to actually conduct terrorist attacks they just need to make the community believe through propaganda that the institutions are repressive- in order for the community to be used to attack the institutions. What is legitimate institutional grievance??

In the 1890's Germany (and perhaps Lithuania/ Poland) seems to be the nation with the most Hebrew immigrants due to the recent Russian expansion and pograms. Essentially the Nazi pogram's were an extension of the Russian pogram's. (Many Hebrew's also migrated to the US during the 1890's. The 1920's saw the first generation of US Hebrew's influence. By WWII the US had tightened up on Hebrew migration due to the previous influx. Britain had seen several cycles of Hebrew migration already.)

In a sense both Germany and Britain both saw the Hebrew situation as problematic but felt that different solutions were appropriate- they both acted but in different ways. Remember WWII wasn't a war to "save the Hebrew's" it was a war to stop German expansion and to justify British and others authority over the WWI Treaty of Versailles
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 12:12:17 PM
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Foxy said "What about other symbols of hate currently being used in this country"

Answer- The "concept of incitement to violence" is different to the more recent and contentious "concept of hate". Apparently the KKK was created by the Southern US Scottish community if you believe the movie "Birth Of A Nation".
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 12:12:35 PM
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In the last 600 years there has been competition between Britain, France, Germany, and previously Spain and Rome. The Treaty Of Versailles was an example of this competition- sometimes perhaps other externalities have tried to exploit this enmity. The Treaty Of Westphalia (1648 AD) and The Battle of the Teutoburg Forest (9 AD) demonstrate key fault lines.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 12:27:19 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«We need to seriously consider
any legislation that's raised and also look at how
effective it's going to be. Will it really solve
the problems? We can't seem to think of anything
better than to demand more law, bans, and police
enforcement. I doubt if this will help solve the
problems.»

Indeed, legislation never solves anything,
legislation itself is a form of violence -
can more violence solve the problem of violence?

Feel free to protect yourself when necessary,
using as much force as the situation requires,
but can painted pieces of cloth and paper injure anyone?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 12:28:10 PM
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Symbols certainly can incite certain people into
violence.

Hate speech against a minority can have disastrous
results. There are historical precedents that show
that hate speech can be a precursor to atrocities.
Also as history continues to show hate speech
coupled with disinformation can lead to violence,
stigmatization, discrimination and large-scale violence.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 12:39:55 PM
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