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If We Ban Nazi Symbols - Why Not Soviet Ones As Well?

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We shouldn't ban the Swastika or Soviet symbols either, it's hysteria.
One important fact is that the swastika isn't used exclusively by the Nazis either.
It's actually a religious and cultural symbol.

If we recognise the right to religion, then we can't touch it.
If we don't recognise the right to religion, then we may as well ban all religions, for the amount of drama they cause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

"The swastika is an ancient religious and cultural symbol, predominantly in various Eurasian, as well as some African and American cultures. In the West it is more widely recognized as a symbol of the German Nazi Party who appropriated it from Asian cultures starting in the early 20th century. The appropriation continues with its use by neo-Nazis around the world. It continues to be used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism"

Obviously, this law has been brought by Jews.
I'd give them a choice, either accept that others have a right to use this symbol in the practice of their own religions, and if you deny them this right, then you are not allowed to practice your religion here either.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 12:32:37 AM
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Point 2.

If we oppose Nazi ideology, (and I'm not the one making the rules here)
- Then stop funding Ukraine and their government officials and nationalists who sympathise with Stepan Bandera.

The golden seal of Ukraine derives from the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists.
The Ukrainian nationalists fought with the NAZI's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

How many Azov Battalion members with NAZI tattoos are riding around Ukraine in Australian Bushmasters...
You can't ban something that Australian taxpayers are funding.

I used to play this game years ago.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1198194/mediaviewer/rm931219713/
It was a great game, epic battles 7.6 rating out of 10.
You would wish to either ban the game, or change every part of it so that it doesn't even resemble the same game or storyline anymore..

You wish to ban all video games that have anything related to WWII in it Foxy?
Lest there might be a NAZI or Soviet symbol?
Throughout my life, WWII video games have been some of the best I've played, this is fearmongering and hysteria.

Finally, we can all criticise the Soviets, but you should also remember one thing, if it wasn't for their sacrifice, you'd have grown up speaking German and reciting Mein Kamf.
The Soviets saved the world from the NAZIs, so choose one, but I'm not sure it's realistic that you get rid of both of them.

And as for the Soviets, (Bolsheviks) the higher up the food chain you went was a higher concentration of Jews.
People like Gulag Commanders were 96% Jewish.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 1:16:04 AM
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I raised this discussion in an attempt to question
why only one select set of hate symbols should be chosen
to be banned. Why not outlaw the public display of ALL
hate symbols not only Nazi signs but also those used by
prescribed terror organizations.

And for that I'm an unpleasant person - being against all
hate symbols and having my motives questioned?

It seems that for some no matter what I try to do - or how I
try to do it - I can't do anything right. Or should that be
Left? I'm a Leftie don't you know. A narcissist. A hypocrite.

And here I am winging again.

It's all my fault!

That awful woman. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 8:38:26 AM
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Now back to the topic.

What about other symbols of hate currently being
used in this country? Like the KKK symbols?
Hamas Flag? Islamic State? , Satanic symbols?
And the list goes on.

KKK symbols and demonstrations have been found
in public parks by Australian Rednecks - who gathered
in groups on sacred Aboriginal land.

Of course hate symbols of any kind is something
Australia should not shy away from but we need to make
sure that we get the legislation right to ensure that
Australia remains not only free and open but also a
safe country for ALL who live here.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 9:03:59 AM
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"I raised this discussion in an attempt to question
why only one select set of hate symbols should be chosen
to be banned."

I think your question is valid in the sense that if we apply a rule to something then it should be applied equally.

"Like the KKK symbols? Hamas Flag? Islamic State? Satanic symbols?"

We consider the KKK as being racist and wrong for their attitude, mistreatment and the acts they committed.
Why is it that any minority group is allowed to congregate together, have their own culture and be proud.
But if white people were to prefer to only associate with other white people, then somehow we're horrible people for wanting more or less the same thing they do, prefer to associate with their own.
There's a show on sbs called 'Living Black'
If I created a show called 'Living white' there'd be hell to pay.
I'm just saying, if we're talking about applying things equally.

Hamas flag, well why are they terrorists?
- To enact a political policy where Israel can avoid negotiating a 2-state solution and can keep stealing land backed by Americas UNSC veto, while the Israel lobby owns the US congress?
Look at what Israel is doing, certainly no less evil than anything Hamas is accused of.

Satanic symbols.
I hate to say it, but this may come under freedom of religion.

I don't support the KKK, I don't want to do away with the indigenous, (like some states)
I don't support Hamas as I'm not Islamic, but I recognise Palestinians right to resist occupation.
Islamic State - No
Satan - No.
I don't support or adhere to any of these ideologies.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 11:38:01 AM
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Hi AC,

Good questions raised. That's exactly why this
discussion was raised. We need to seriously consider
any legislation that's raised and also look at how
effective it's going to be. Will it really solve
the problems? We can't seem to think of anything
better than to demand more law, bans, and police
enforcement. I doubt if this will help solve the
problems.

I'm not sure what the answer is. There will always be
disaffected groups in our society. Banning one select
group over others is not going to solve the problem. It will
attract publicity. Give them a platform, and possibly
give them even more recruits.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 12:06:14 PM
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