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Is there a God?

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Maybe I am wrong we all can be you understand, but it seems Christianity in this country is a bit part time for most.
That the commitment is just not there as it once was, and that many have left forever.
Islam is a demanding religion and at least in part A political one, and no harm meant just an honest observation one driven by highlighting the differences in those who are not followers.
We are seeing growth in other religions and I find it hard to find fault in some middle eastern ones, while holding on to my belief they are all crutches man made himself.
If we truly hold a view my God is the only one, others do not exist, my view man can be one is challenged.
We must remember cave man truly believed in his Gods too, sun moon stars and even animals I know an old bloke who today thinks the sea is God,
I remain convinced man is able to stand alone and wonder what is life all about?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 10:47:27 AM
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"...it seems Christianity in this country is a bit part time for most.
That the commitment is just not there as it once was, and that many have left forever."

I believe that the statistics would support that. Interpretation of course could vary.

"Islam is a demanding religion and at least in part A political one, and no harm meant just an honest observation one driven by highlighting the differences in those who are not followers.
We are seeing growth in other religions and I find it hard to find fault in some middle eastern ones, while holding on to my belief they are all crutches man made himself."

Is there any reason to maintain the crutches view as dogma? If there is no other basis to your hesitation isn't the rational approach to gather information and make an informed choice? Obviously I am biased so I'll add the request that once (if) you throw off that dogmatic crutch you keep reasoning and don't get bogged down at any stage. It is my belief that reason can ultimately lead you to Christianity.

"If we truly hold a view my God is the only one, others do not exist, my view man can be one is challenged."

I'm guessing that is more a feeling or desire rather than a literal belief. Clearly it is hard to view humans as being literally omnipotent.

"We must remember cave man truly believed in his Gods too, sun moon stars and even animals I know an old bloke who today thinks the sea is God,"

Again how to view this will vary depending on perspective.

"I remain convinced man is able to stand alone and wonder what is life all about?"

You make an excellent point. Standing alone and reasoning is a very good starting point. Scoffing goes nowhere. Personally I can't understand people who don't want to know what life is about.
Posted by mjpb, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 1:42:10 PM
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I do not scoff at your views I just do not share them.
I think nature is great, life is great and I know evolution did play a bigger part in us being here than some want to concede.
Every blade of grass is wonderful to see and every scientific fact we learn tells me nature is great .
If you wish to call your God nature ok by me but why ,tell me, has man so very many Gods?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 2:18:35 PM
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"I do not scoff at your views ..."

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I actually thought your suggested approach was a good idea and didn't think you were scoffing. I mentioned scoffing to contrast it with your suggestion of standing alone and reasoning. Standing alone and thinking about things I contrasted with the scoffers who don't seem to care what life is about. I don't understand those people.

"I think nature is great, life is great and I know evolution did play a bigger part in us being here than some want to concede.
Every blade of grass is wonderful to see and every scientific fact we learn tells me nature is great."

You are asking me a question in your next paragraph and I'll ask you one about this. All scientific facts and evolutionary theory are from science. What religion produced science? What religion are the concepts of science based on and thus what religion does the success of science support?

"If you wish to call your God nature ok by me but why ,tell me, has man so very many Gods?"

That can only be guessed by anyone. I believe that there aren't as many as you would think. For example Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are either the majority of major religions or close to it. They all have the same God.

Anyway, given my belief about where life came from I suspect that we are made with an interest in God and if we turn our mind to the bigger questions and can't source the answers then our mind will point us to something similar because there is a trace of God in all of us and an interest or awareness. That God may have a human personality like the Greek Gods or be quite hostile like the Aztec Gods but we figure there is something. Historically there has been no committment to atheism so we were always open to the idea that there must be something. People lacking the benefit of divine revelation want the something to suit them but "know" there was something.
Posted by mjpb, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 4:02:57 PM
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Come on guys/gals. Talk to HIM. Push on in and ask Him if He's there. Use the name of Jesus. Push on in. Seek Him out.
Posted by Gibo, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 8:00:25 PM
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Why so many Gods? Maybe because at different times and in different cultures Belly, our ability to conceive of the creation of the universe and of life is limited by our understanding of the world around us, and of life itself, in that time and place.

Many disparate cultures in different times created their god(s) to explain life in terms relevant to their times, but its curious how so many came to similar conclusions.

My God is an abstract thing, a First Cause, and very different from Boaz' and runners. I cannot anthropomorphise him/her as they do; and I reject big R religiosity outright for myself.
Posted by palimpsest, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 11:02:36 PM
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