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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Dear Foxy,

Correct: as long as there is occupation there will be resistance,
but that doesn't imply that once the occupation ends, resistance would end too.

Resistance by Muslim conservatives will remain for as long as their lifestyle and control over their women is threatened by the presence of liberal people, be they Jewish or otherwise.

Israel does not expect this resistance to ever go away, which is why it must remain strong and on guard forever.
Those who cannot accept it should not be living in Israel, just as those who are too scared of fires should not live in Australia.

«But the fact remains that Israel
was given a land that they were never going to share
and they made things worse by their behaviour towards
people already living there.»

Why, I agree on the latter part regarding Israel's behaviour,
but not the former - Israel offered to share that land many times,
and I hope it soon gets a new government which will do so again.

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Dear Critic,

«Agreed, that goes for both sides, especially when Israel uses collective punishment with basic necessities, such as food, water, power, medicine and internet connectivity.»

Agreed, collective punishment is wrong - why "collective" even, punishment as such is already wrong: punishment is God's job and it is not for us humans to punish each other.

So to the extent Israel does what it does for the sake of punishment, I disapprove of it. The question just being, to what extent is this the case.

«* Non combatants are not military targets.»

I rather word this, "Non combatants are not legitimate targets".

Why should a non-combatant military cook, a conscript whose only "crime" was to be born, then turn 18 and not be willing to go to prison for refusing to enlist in the army, be considered a legitimate target?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 22 December 2023 3:57:49 PM
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Gaza & Ukraine Endgame: John Mearsheimer, Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen
http://youtu.be/9pqf1JxSI2c

This is a pretty good video, if anyone wants a decent rundown of current events.
I watched another really good one on Israel a few days back that detailed and discussed many of the events and flareups.
If I can figure out which video it was from my YouTube history I'll share it when I find it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 22 December 2023 11:33:00 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,
Israel has promised that citizens in the north displaced by Hezbollah attacks will be able to return to their homes by the end of January.
This implies they intend to force Hezbollah back beyond the Litani river, by force.
With consideration to this, I think it's a reasonable possibility Israel may end up with 150,000 guided missiles raining down upon it.

It might be a good time for your family to take a holiday in Cypress.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 23 December 2023 10:53:50 AM
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For the Hamas cheer-squad who reflectively demand a ceasefire, perhaps they can ponder this....

"Israel has offered a deal that includes the release of forty Israelis, including the remaining women and elderly civilians, in return for the release of Palestinian prisoners convicted of terrorism offenses, a two-week pause in the fighting and increased humanitarian aid. Although the terms are much more generous than those of the previous deal, Hamas has rejected the offer and refused to come up with a counter-offer. Hamas’s announcement earlier today that it rejects a deal was followed by the largest missile attack against Israel in weeks."

http://thespectator.com/topic/hamas-wont-strike-deal-israel/

A ceasefire offered. A ceasefire rejected BY HAMAS. I'm pretty sure the usual folk will hurry to ignore that.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 23 December 2023 12:44:38 PM
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Yuyutsu,

Israel prefers the status quo. Until the US and Europe
take responsibility and stop funding and preserving
the oppressive regime of Israel - peace will not be
achieved.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 23 December 2023 2:49:28 PM
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'For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery'.

Given that Israel does not want a 2 state solution, I'd argue the exact opposite is true.

"Israel prefers the status quo. Until the US and Europe
take responsibility and stop funding and preserving
the oppressive regime of Israel - peace will not be
achieved."

I'd argue that there can be no real diplomacy or a change in policy until Israel is militarily defeated.
The US has veto power and its government has been taken over / blackmailed by the Israel lobby.
I hope the Epstein client list is released soon.

Until then the Palestinians will continue to be targeted with ethnic cleansing and genocide, and there's little anyone can do about it.

That's the cold hard truth, Israel gets a free pass to kill as many Palestinian civilians as it wants, without repercussions.

Do you think even the Americans would refer to Russians as sub-human and animals?
- No

Yet Israels leaders speak this way without any care for consequences, because there are none.
They shoot kids for no reason at all, just like they murdered those 2 christian women in a Gazan church the other day, they kidnap and torture people and bulldoze their homes, destroy their olive groves and livelihoods, withold food, water, medicine and the Palestinians can't even resist without being considered Anti-Semitic, because the entire world has this whole screwed up idea of 'Anti-Semitic' and eternal Jewish victimhood.

The Palestinians are the victims and Israel the oppressors,
Israel's been making all these demands of the victims, but no demands have been made of Israels oppression.

The only people who have stood up and said 'This shite isn't right' and acted to do something about it - Are the Houthis.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 23 December 2023 6:28:04 PM
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