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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Hi mhaze,

Granted, she has about as much bias as one can have, but that doesn't necessarily make her a deliberate liar.

If Hitler said 'the sky was blue' it doesn't stand that he's incorrect simply because we don't like the bloke.

More often than not the footage speaks for itself, so your 'no credibility regarding the person who posted it argument' is mostly irrelevant.

But yeah, posts on X from the other side - I get it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 8:23:01 PM
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Do you think this is faked?
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1736909534604742837

I can usually tell the difference between 'real wounding footage' and 'staged red paint smearings and everyone scream and play for the camera' scenes.

That 9 or 10 year old girl above, I'd like to dedicate that footage to the OLO Israeli Defense League.
I hope it leaves a sick feeling inside them, as that would mean those people are actually human after all.
Remember you lot support the continuation of this.
She might be one of the lucky ones, compared to some of the others.

Many are dying of thirst and starvation slowly now, and their parents can't do anything about it except watch in horror.

This entire tragedy is the decision Hamas was forced to make, knowing full well what would happen, for just a small chance at change.
Some may see human animals (that's been displayed well on both sides)
Others may see a people with conviction to avenge those they've loved and lost, or a people so desperate for change so that the next generation of kids don't have to live through it like they did.

That whole place seems cursed.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 8:42:18 PM
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Dear Critic,

«It's hard to for someone not familiar with everything to understand a difference between Israelis, Jews, Zionists...»

But it is OK to make statements about the above anyway?

'Israelis' are the citizens of the state of Israel, most of whom by birth. Many Israelis oppose the Israeli government. Many Israelis are not even Jews, there are even Israelis who identify as "Palestinians".

'Jews' is an ambiguous and fluid concept.
Therefore whenever speaking about Jews, one should first make sure that the context is agreed upon, and if unsure ask to clarify: "Do you mean ethnic Jews? Jews by faith? Jews according to Rabbinic law? Jews according to Hitler's racial definition? or by some other criteria perhaps?".

'Zionists' is an archaic term, normally spoken of in past tense. Zionism aspired to create the state of Israel and once Israel was established, Zionism ended.
Within Israel, the term today loosely denotes good civil behaviour and contribution to society, thus a "Zionist" is someone who volunteers, donates blood, helps others, gives charity, etc.
Those, however, who do not recognise the existence of Israel, often use the term 'Zionists' to deny the existence of the state of Israel, implying that it is still an underway attempt rather than a reality.

«it seems like the Israeli government / Zionists claim they speak for all Jews, and those who don't follow the script are criticised as well for being 'self hating Jews'.»

Politicians by nature may make all sorts of self-aggrandising claims - but why should you believe or even pay attention to their rubbish?
(P.S. nor is the Israeli government Zionist)

«The problem here is that Israel itself places all the Palestinians in the same group. Sub-human, Animals, Terrorists etc.»

What is your basis to believe so?

«I've seen Jewish leaders argue for killing palestinian children on the basis they will grow up to be Hamas.»

I've seen other Jewish leaders who say the opposite.
As the saying goes, "2 Jews - 3 Views".

(I've also seen Muslim leaders likewise argue for killing Israeli children)
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 10:38:39 PM
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Baldrick,

Was the the dead girl, shot by Hamas? no evidence either way. Hamas is shooting civilians trying to avoid their human shield duties.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 21 December 2023 6:29:16 AM
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Hi mhaze,
"And the killing will stop."
- No, it wont. Don't kid yourself.

Hi Yuyutsu,
"But it is OK to make statements about the above anyway?"

- Not sure exactly which statements you refer to, but yeah why not?
(There's plenty of other things I could point to in these wars which I'd argue are NOT ok - I just make comment, it doesn't harm anyone)

I think its a fairly common thing for non-Jewish people to frequently get mixed up, I try my best to get things right.
I'm Australian, there's no historical Australian ethnicity religion, nor multiple groups to get mixed up.
And I always appreciate your help in correcting me.

Hi shadowminister,
"Was the the dead girl, shot by Hamas? no evidence either way. Hamas is shooting civilians trying to avoid their human shield duties."

That's the way you want to go? ok.

So when you actually produce footage of rapes I can say for all we know that's a member of the IDF dressed as Hamas?

We have reports that Israeli snipers shot innocent women in a church a few days back.
The IDF member who murdered the 3 surrendering Israeli hostages murdered 4 surrendering Palestinians and placed weapons on them to stage it in Oct 7, I saw the footage and shared it on here.
http://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1737551630000955598

Look if you want to go with 'Hamas likes to shoot Palestinian kids for the hell of it' and expect it to be believable then fine, hardly anyone will buy it, maybe those Hamas belong in the IDF instead?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 21 December 2023 8:11:22 AM
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"And the killing will stop."
- No, it wont. Don't kid yourself."

Oh well...if you say so.

After all how could I possibly argue with such a fact laden analysis of the situation!! !

The fact is AC that, even though you constantly lament the death of the Gazan human shields, the victory of Hamas is more important to you than those lives. Such hypocrisy is both obvious and not in the slightest admirable.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 21 December 2023 9:51:21 AM
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