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For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.
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Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 24 December 2023 6:56:30 AM
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Yuyutsu,
I also pray and hope for peace in the region. But pressure has to be applied so that things could change. Things cannot go on as they have done and continue to do. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 24 December 2023 8:30:31 AM
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Dear Critic,
«Israel will continue to do its utmost to destroy Iran regardless, even if Israel and the "Palestinians" were hugging and kissing.» Netanyahu will continue to do his utmost to destroy Iran regardless, even if Israel and the "Palestinians" were hugging and kissing. - There, I fixed it. The difference being that Israel is still a democracy with a good chance for a non-violent regime change, something you cannot say about Iran. «The Shah was obviously pro west.» Yes, that is a well-known undisputed fact which requires no reference. But why have you brought it now? Is it because you consider it an unforgivable crime? Small Israel in the 1950's desperately needed friends, anyone it could find, especially as it gradually lost the support of the U.S.S.R., and then it happened to find its best friend in the Persian Shah. Would you then be more supportive of Israel had it still been more allied with Russia? «But I do think the only way this endless cycle of violence and death ever end is if the hard-right government in Israel is beaten militarily.» An endless cycle to end? Israel's hard-right government cannot be beaten militarily because it is not an army: it can only be beaten in the ballot box, which is what I pray for. Israel's IDF belongs to and is supported by the whole of Israel, not its despicable politicians. Members of my family prepare and send nice cooked meals for the troops in Gaza, and it's not because they have any liking for the politicians who give them the orders. [continued...] Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 24 December 2023 9:31:26 AM
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«They won't accept a 2 state solution, [etc., etc.]» This describes the present Israeli government and their Jewish-settler supporters, not the people of Israel. I encourage you to go for their throats, but so long as you go indiscriminately for the throats of all Israelis, you force them to unite despite their mutual contempt and should not be surprised to be faced by a rock-solid victorious Israel shattering any dreams of stopping the violence. «I've seen more than enough dead kids bleeding out.» But they don't show you these two 5-year-olds, who were taken for a motorbike ride by a Hamas scout as he reported on Israeli positions, who were kept alive and well by conscientious Israeli soldiers who placed their lives at risk as a result. While you watch social media, God sees it all! «Over these past 2 months I've seen things Israels done, killings so horrific that one would imagine the Palestinians who died would envy the Jews who went into the gas chambers, because it was far less a gruesome way to go.» Same for Israeli hostages. If you suffered the pains of untreated colitis, then you too would be longing for the gas chambers: http://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-omer-wenkert-suffers-from-congenital-disease/ «What have your people become?» Exactly the same as what could become of you had you been facing their situation. --- Dear Foxy, «But pressure has to be applied so that things could change.» I fully agree - but please place that pressure on the Israeli culprits (Netanyahu, his Nazi ministers and the Jewish West-Bank settlers whom they represent) who can make a difference rather than on their Israeli victims who cannot at present change a thing. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 24 December 2023 9:31:46 AM
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Yuyutsu,
There's innocent people on both sides. And of course there's appalling acts that both sides are guilty of. We should loathe them and not defend them. Their cruelty, insanity, and and continued murder are facts. But we do need to ask ourselves - why? History is history - however we should care about the present and what can be done. The land must be shared, people must be treated equally. It can be done if the will is there. If the Diaspora Jews brought pressure to bear on the Israeli government, attitudes could change. Jews in America, and Europe are begging to realize what is going on. Israel must change or it will destroy itself. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 24 December 2023 9:51:53 AM
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Pretty funny.
First she piously advises that there is wrong on both side. Then she virtue signals by saying both sides must compromise. Then she gets to her real point. Pressure must be applied to Israel to change its attitude. Apparently Hamas's attitude isn't in need of change!! Meanwhile, as I predicted she completely ignores the fact that Israel offered and Hamas rejected a ceasefire. "Jews in America, and Europe are begging to realize what is going on. Israel must change or it will destroy itself." Actually that's wrong. Some might be saying that, but the majority of the US Jews are behind Israel. These Jews have previously been strong supporters of the Democrats but are no wavering given the obvious hatred of many in that party toward the Jewish homeland. That's the only reason Biden continues, through clenched teeth, to support Israel ie his already abysmal polling would further tank if he lost the Jewish vote by doing what most of the Democrats want ie abandon Israel. Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 24 December 2023 10:22:16 AM
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you are disgusting. you post terrible pictures of brutality against Jewish civilians then try to lie about it later.
Next, you post the picture of a girl shot in the face and without any proof blame it on the Israelis along with the bogus casualty figures put out by Hamas.
You are disgusting and a disgrace to humanity.
That Hamas is using Palestinians as human shields is the most abhorent nearly as bad as the $bns of aid that has been spent on tunnels, rockets etc that was supposed to be used for food, schools, hospitals etc.