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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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"The fact is AC that, even though you constantly lament the death of the Gazan human shields, the victory of Hamas is more important to you than those lives. Such hypocrisy is both obvious and not in the slightest admirable."

I dunno, I never really thought about it too be honest.
I was too busy shocked at the needless loss of innocents.
Why put words into my mouth? Why not just ask what I think?

I think Hamas knew what Israels response would be.
Israel is what it's history says it is, their response was predictable.
And predictable can be a weakness.

And I think they calculated the cost was worth a shot at their peoples freedoms.
Maybe they thought that no price is too high for the freedom of their people.
After all Israel seems ready to kill everyone and everything for theirs.
As for me I honestly don't think I could make that call, knowing the cost that Israel would surely meter out upon hapless women, kids and elderly.
Depends how angry and frustrated they got me.

I guess every single family in Palestine probably has some family members killed or injured by the IDF, and that will garner a lot of collective resentment, hatred and vengeance.

Israel will reap what it has sowed sooner or later, it's inevitable.
A nation like this in perpetual war can't stand forever.
Eventually one just makes too many enemies, and you can't fight the whole world and expect to win.
Sad that things are as they are.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 21 December 2023 10:54:50 AM
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"Why put words into my mouth?"

Not putting words in your mouth. Drawing conclusions from your multitudinous posts.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 21 December 2023 4:08:41 PM
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Dear Critic,

«"But it is OK to make statements about the above anyway?"

- Not sure exactly which statements you refer to, but yeah why not?»

After admitting that "It's hard to for someone not familiar with everything to understand a difference between Israelis, Jews, Zionists...", this referred to any statements you make regarding "Israelis", "Jews" or "Zionists" before you study a bit the meaning of these terms and the differences between them.

Suppose for example you wrote unpleasant things against Yemen and Yemenites, just because you didn't know that there are differences between Yemenites and Houthis, thinking that they are one and the same, then that would likely hurt the feelings of innocent peace-loving Yemenites, themselves the victims of the Houthis.

You should also make sure that yourself and your audience agree on the terms you use - suppose an Israeli boy was encouraged to help his little friends in their studies, being told by his Mom that "this is a good Zionist act", then that boy saw your anti-Zionist posts here and started crying, thinking that he was a bad boy for helping his friends...
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 21 December 2023 4:32:48 PM
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Dear Critic,

«And I think they calculated the cost was worth a shot at their peoples freedoms.
Maybe they thought that no price is too high for the freedom of their people.»

What freedom are you speaking about?
Did the Gazan people ever had any freedom?
Under Ottoman rule? Under Egyptian rule? Under Fatah rule? Under Hamas rule?

Do you know when the Gazan people (also the residents of the West Bank) had been most free ever?

- Under Israeli administration between 1967 and the late 1970's!

Later arrived the Jewish settlers, starting to trickle in from 1975 onward, and as they gradually become bolder, the Arabs under Israeli occupation gradually suffered more and more (and reacted accordingly) - but initially that was their golden period:
They were prosperous in those years, they could build what they want, they could work and found good jobs in Israel, they could freely travel anywhere in Israel (including to Israeli beaches where they were overwhelmed by and harassed Jewish girls in bikini, something they never imagined possible before, but oh well) and Israeli families too came over to shop in Gaza without fear. If not for these bloody Messianic settlers, this could still have been the case now (not that I would support the Israeli occupation even under these conditions).

«After all Israel seems ready to kill everyone and everything for theirs.»

Well look inside and ask yourself what would you not do to avoid being enslaved by Chinese invaders...
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 21 December 2023 4:53:56 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

This is happening around the globe:

http://pbs.org/newshour/politics/tens-of-thousands-have-joined-pro-palestinian-protests-across-the-united-states-experts-say-they-are-growing
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 21 December 2023 11:15:08 PM
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Dear Foxy,

"around the globe"?
That article is 100% about the United States of America.

Also, did you notice the age of these protesters?

A majority of Americans aged 18-24 would like Israel not to exist.
Conversion into Islam is also a popular fashion in that age group.

It is essentially an intergenerational revolt and it gives them some sense of meaning in a meaningless world.

I wish they directed their protest at Netanyahu and his Nazi government rather than indiscriminately against Israel, but do they know the difference?

All Israelis are united in their intent to live, without rockets, random slaughters, rapes and kidnapping. Nobody would sacrifice their lives and safety in order to please some American youths. All Israelis understand, including the most progressive leftists among them, that their survival is not possible so long as Hamas exists. All agree that in this war, should Israel run out of accurate bombs then it should use its inaccurate ones and should it run out of conventional bombs altogether then it must use its non-conventional ones.

One may rightfully hate the Israeli government's ideology and objectives, but what else can one do when a deadly enemy hides weapons inside children's dolls?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 22 December 2023 5:16:40 AM
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