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For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Netanyahu to members of his Likud party yesterday: "I am the only one who can prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state in Gaza and Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] after the war."
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 7:43:30 PM
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mhaze,
"I can argue against your moronic assertions but it'd be futile because you reject all information that doesn't suit your narrative."
- You're projecting.

"What you say can't be verified although I'll accept that you can find any number of likeminded fools who fall for this rubbish and that you have a well honed system of falling for anything that suits to prejudices."
- I can find enough info to cover every single point I made in that post - bar the item 'Anti Defamation League (ADL) starting the 'hate speech' idea because of Anti-Semitism'
- and maybe tomorrow I'll go through it all point for point, with links for everything, if I can be bothered gathering it all up
- Not that you would ever accept it anyway.

"That's why I spent so much time trying to get you to see how your lack of credulity on these issues led you to fall hook, line and sinker for the Sifa Hospital story..."
Actually truth be told, I'm not sure I ever claimed with certainty that Israel did it.
I'm pretty sure Steelie will remember that I actually said numerous times that I haven't seen enough evidence that would make me argue with certainty either way. If you can dig up some comment where I did make the argument with certainty that I believed Israel did it, go for your life.
I may have said that Israel like to blow up hospitals full of kids, but it's done this at plenty of hospitals.
I don't think I ever said that 'yes I've seen the evidence and am convinced Israel is responsible for the attack at Al Shifa'.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 7:51:24 PM
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"...and led you to fall hook, line and sinker for the story about Ukraine banning the Russian language."
- You still haven't gotten your head around that, it wasn't a lie.
Banning the Russian language in Ukrainian government buildings, included schools, meaning none of the Russian-speaking kids in
the predominantly Russian-speaking part of Ukraine (draw a line from Kharkiv to Odessa) could go to school to learn.
Don't you think that would be a serious issue if you were a parent?
I even showed you that Lavrov spoke about it, probably one of the most well respected diplomats in the world, he didn't earn that respect from lying, but you wouldn't have it.
(and we looked at the Ukrainian documents but they weren't the ones from 2014, they were the 2017 ones made after the Ursula Van der Leyen head of EC had pressed Ukraine to be more reasonable if they wanted to join the EU.

"Well the Arab Spring replaced Israel's greatest friend in the Arab world, Hosni Mubarak"
Well they definitely did in Syria, as well as the Christopher Stevens issue in Libya,
(You probably believe that 'Charlie Hebdo' crap)
- probably Iraq as well and also tried a coup in Turkey in 2016, They would conduct a coup in Iran if they could (They've tried) and they were providing weapons and intelligence as a partner to the Saudis to bomb Yemen. I'm not well versed with Egypt. I used to know a couple of things but honestly its been too long.
It was a incident that spread across the Middle East.

"You, like the authors of the Protocols, believe the Jews control the world economy and cause most of the wars."
- I'll get back to this later.

"What amazes me is that people like Foxy and Paul and even SR are prepared to be associated with these views."
I don't tell them what to think or say.
Their opinions are their own and I disagree with them all on numerous topics as they also do with me.
- Stop trying to make something out of nothing.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 8:09:20 PM
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'as well as the Christopher Stevens issue in Libya'
Scratch that , it wasn't meant to be there.

As for Al Shifa...
Saying I fall for Hamas propaganda.
Let's not forget that an Israeli government official tweeted about it themselves and then deleted the tweet.
You can't have a 'gotcha moment' when the aide to Netanyahu responsible for releasing official Israeli information tweets about it indicating Israel did it.
It's not like Israel wasn't bombing hospitals and has form for doing such things.

You always have to nitpick and make something out of nothing.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 8:19:44 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

«Netanyahu to members of his Likud party yesterday: "I am the only one who can prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state in Gaza and Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] after the war."»

I have a number of independent reactions:

1) I hope he is right, because he is a goner, no chance he will remain in office the day after the war, and recent surveys predict that his Likud party will lose nearly half their seats.

2) The local Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza have ALREADY successfully prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank, several times - so why suddenly couldn't they keep preventing it again, and again?

3) Suppose Netanyahu said the truth (an oxymoron!), then Hamas should have taken ONLY Netanyahu and his Likud members to Gaza's underworld hell, why murder and kidnap the helpless others?

4) regarding that slimy spineless creep - had the Israeli Labor party, for example, been willing to participate in a coalition under him, then he would tell them that "I am the only one who can make peace with the Palestinians and hand over the West Bank to them".

Look, the man never cared or even held a view about Israel or Gaza, Judea or Palestinians, economy or religion, not even about stopping Hamas - he cares ONLY about one thing, maybe two: avoiding jail-time and avoiding bankruptcy with enough money to satisfy his family's rich tastes.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 11:46:39 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

I believe the Palestinian hostages exchanged by the Israelis were also in good condition. A small mercy in what is a terrible war. I hope your family members in Israel remain safe. I see film of all those bomb out buildings in Gaza, and I wounder what will the people who once lived there have to come home to, such destruction. Its going to require millions, if not billions, to make Gaza habitable again.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 30 November 2023 2:56:03 AM
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