AC, ya dill.

You're the one who raised UNSC Resolution 2334 as an excuse to kill Israeli teenagers and babies. But it had nothing to do with Gaza which you've now finally, (FINALLY!!) admitted.

So now you try to salvage your embarrassment by claiming that there is Palestinian solidarity. So what happens on the West Bank provides justification for Gazans to kill Jewish teenagers and babies, according to this new lunatic proposition from AC.

But if Israel were to use the events of 7/10 to launch all out war on the West Bank, (you know, because of Palestinian solidarity), you'd be the first to shout foul.

But I get it. Make up rules that excuse any and all Arab atrocity but deny said rules when used by the Jews. This, in some circles, is even handed!!

I'm not sure 'excuse' is the right word mhaze.
I'm not responsible for anything Israel or the Palestinians do, so why would I need to make excuses for them?

Maybe a better word would be 'motive' though.
If Israel has these people under occupation (after taking the land by force), holds all the cards when it comes to food and water, shoots them for even approaching the border fence, has settlers attack them, destroy their olive groves and livelihoods, continues to run them off the land, bulldoze their homes and kidnaps and holds them in indefinite detention without charge, and messes with them going to the Al-Aqsa Mosque...

Israeli forces attack Palestinian worshippers at Al-Aqsa Mosque - 17 September 2023
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/17/israeli-forces-attack-palestinian-worshippers-at-al-aqsa-mosque
(Hamas attack was called 'Operation Al-Aqsa Flood)

In some ways just stating the idea of 'motive?' (with the question mark) seems completely ridiculous.
What more motive do they need to attack these people who subjagate them?
If this short list above isn't enough, then I honestly don't know wtf is.

(That said I've always stated I don't support attacking innocent civilians / non combatants but IDF, complicit in helping the settlers to run them off the land, are 'fair game')

I stated FAFO in one of my previous comments
[Feck Around and Find Out, abbreviated as FAFO, is a slang catchphrase warning that taking negative steps will result in unwanted consequences.]
Israel does all this shite listed above; 'negative steps'
Then acts all surprised, and outraged and innocent when the 'unwanted consequences' occur.

I said somewhere earlier: Israel does all these things, then when the Palestinians play up, they use it as an excuse to justify more extreme measures against them.

[Cont.]

"But it had nothing to do with Gaza which you've now finally, (FINALLY!!) admitted."

- I really don't understand this 'gotcha moment' and 'scorecard' you seem to always have going sorry.
I'm really lost to try and understand what you're trying to prove.

The answer to this whole entire mess is simple
Diplomacy, Direct Negotiatiations, Dialogue, Compromise.
- Leading to a 2 State Solution, where Israel is forced to STATE AND ACCEPT ITS BORDERS.
If they do that and if Palestinians engage in cross border attacks
- Then I will denounce them.

Fail to do this, AND ISRAEL IS ASKING FOR MORE TROUBLE.

So long as the current status quo exists,
Then Palestinians have a legitimate right to defend themselves

Israel had better change it's tune real fast, otherwise these 'unwanted consequences' will amount to a wider war with all their Muslim neighbours launching an all out war against them.

Fail to listen to good advice here, then I'll be saying 'Don't say you weren't warned' when it actually happens.
Turkey and Iran see themselves as taking major roles representing Islamic societies, and in this situation they can only stay on the sidelines for so long until they are forced to act.

Turkey already sees this as a battle between Crusaders and Cresent.
The potential for jihad and 'Holy war' certainly does exist.

FAFO.

Think about ANY relationship anyone ever had with a member of the opposite sex.
(And maybe even those of the same sex Lol);
nd not constrained simple to 'intimate relationships' I might add;
- Applies to ALL RELATIONSHIPS between people.

When there are hard times, you have to sit down and 'reconcile' all of the issues.
Failure to do so will mean the relationship fails.
It means the bad situation CANNOT BE RESOLVED and the result will be 'Separation due to irreconcileable differences'

The only way out of this mess is RECONCILE.
(Diplomacy, Direct Negotiatiations, Dialogue, Compromise.)
- OTHERWISE THERE IS NO CHANCE OF PEACE.

FURTHER CONFLICT WILL BE INEVITABLE

You may all disagree with me on Russia / Ukraine, but the same formula applies.
All parties need to sit down and take an honest sober look at all the events that lead up to the conflict, otherwise there is no chance of the situation being resolved peacefully.

FFS, can't any of you people see sense in what I'm saying?
- Or do you want these conflicts decided by force?
- Along with all the dead innocent people that inevitably go along with this chosen path?

mhaze,

We all understand where you're coming from.
We've seen it time and time again on this forum.
Of course Cardinal Pell was innocent. Of course
Donald Trump made America great. Of course President
Biden molested his daughter. And now, of course
Israel is, at the end of the day, a benign
democratic state, seeking peace with its neighbours,
and guaranteeing equality for all of its citizens.

It was all the fault of Hamas - who turned Israel
into an occupying and oppressive entity in the region.

There are however, sections of Israeli society that
do recognize the validity of some of the claims made
here in this discussion. A significant number of
Jewish academics , journalists, and artists have voiced
their doubts about Israel as a democracy, and questioned
the actions of Israel.

It takes some courage to challenge the fundamental myths
of one's own society and state. This is why quite a few
of them later retreated from the brave position and either
went into exile or returned to toeing the general line.

Nevertheless, for a while during the last decade, of the
last century they produced works that challenged the
assumption of a democratic Israel. They portrayed Israel
as belonging to a different community - that of non-
democratic nations. They depicted Israel as an ethnocracy,
a regime governing a mixed ethnic state with a legal and
formal preference for one ethnic group over all the others.

Others went even further - labelling Israel as an apartheid
state or a settler colonial state. In short, the description
these critical scholars offered - "democracy" was not among them.

But of course their work was "sloppy" and they were all
Jew haters and anti-Semites.

post-truth mhaze,

I said: "This is the kind of culture which was allowed to develop in Afghanistan under leaders like Hastie."

Hastie was there on the ground when executions occurred. He was a Captain, Ben Roberts-Smith was a Corporeal. The Brereton Report was highly critical of the ADF leadership. Hastie was in that role.

"Hastie was on a mission in October 2012 to Syahchow which the newspapers allege was the site of a “blooding” incident – the practice where a new soldier is initiated into the regiment by being ordered to register their first “kill” on operation, allegedly often of an unarmed prisoner. In their defence claim, the newspapers allege Roberts-Smith ordered another soldier, Person 66, to kill a captive, unarmed Afghan man who’d been taken out into a field."
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/25/ben-roberts-smith-defamation-trial-andrew-hastie-says-he-is-no-longer-proud-of-former-comrade