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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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"Lol, There's no Israeli settlements in Gaza you fool."

Yes and UNSC Resolution 2334 was about settlements. Therefore it had nothing to do with Gaza. I can't understand why that so difficult for you to fathom.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 25 November 2023 2:34:26 PM
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post-truth mhaze,

You write of an emotional Andrew Hastie and about "recently seen footage of Israeli citizens fleeing armed barbarians and one girl begging for her life, only to be callously and matter-of-factly shot in the head."

When I saw that footage my mind went straight to one of our SAS soldiers in Afghanistan murdering a defenceless man cowering in a field holding prayer beads.

This is the kind of culture which was allowed to develop in Afghanistan under leaders like Hastie.

So spare me his crocodile tears on this. They really aren't worth jack.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 25 November 2023 6:56:55 PM
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SR as usual, when he sees something he'd prefer to not be true, tries to change the subject. Not playing.

SR implies Hastie was involved in executions in Afghanistan. Not playing.

My point was that the barbarities on 7/10 were so horrific that even hardened men were moved. Of course the victims were Jews so SR isn't the slightest moved.

But what happened explains to those of even moderate compassion why Israel must ensure this can never happen again.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 25 November 2023 7:19:54 PM
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"Yes and UNSC Resolution 2334 was about settlements. Therefore it had nothing to do with Gaza. I can't understand why that so difficult for you to fathom."

Settlements have nothing to do with Gaza...

Ah yeah I see, you're one of those people who thinks the entire problem is Hamas, and that if it wasn't for them, Palestinians would be happy singing kumbayas in their open air concentration camp.

That they don't care about stolen land, or being subjugated or anything Israel does.
In your mind if it wasn't for Hamas, the Palestinians would be dancing with their Israeli friends in the streets.

You're one of those people who probably strongly objected when Antonio Guterres said the conflict didn't happen in a vacuum.
- Maybe there's a vacuum between your ears...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 26 November 2023 5:39:45 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-conflict-live-updates-hamas-releases-24-hostages-four-day-ceasefire-under-way-20231124-p5emoj.html

"In exchange, Israel has released more than 30 Palestinian prisoners, including women, some of whom have been convicted by Israel of attempted murder for attacks on Israeli forces. Others, including teenagers, were jailed but not yet convicted for offences such as throwing stones."

- Why is it that it's ok for settlers with the help of the IDF to run Palestinians off their land, and bulldoze their homes but if Palestinians fight back against this theft of land or anything else in any way they are imprisoned?
- Don't they have a right of self defense against an occupying force who subjugates them and is engaged in land theft?
I keep telling you all so long as they're under occupation, then their captors / enforcers are 'fair game'.
Why is it that no-one recognises that Palestinians have a right to self defense?
Is it only Israel who seems to claim it has a 'right to self defense' - as an occupier, but the occupied do not have that right?

"Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he welcomed the developments, adding that it was important all countries continued working towards “a sustainable ceasefire and a long-term, enduring peace”. Foreign Minister Penny Wong reiterated her call for all hostages to be released. The Australia Palestine Advocacy Network said Israel now needs to release the 2000 or so Palestinians held by Israel in administrative detention without charge."

- '2000 or so Palestinians held by Israel in administrative detention without charge'
What is this exactly?
Kind of sounds like 'Palestinian hostages' doesn't it?

Why is it that if Hamas takes Israeli people it's called 'hostages' but if Israel takes Palestinian people it's called 'administrative detention'?

And if Israel is taking Palestinian kids out of Palestinian areas back into Israel just as Putin is accused of ICC war crimes for taking Ukrainian kids out of Ukrainian areas back into Russia, then why isn't Netanyahu and Israel also accused of the same war crimes by the ICC?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 26 November 2023 5:45:31 AM
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Thanks again AC,

As we know, the Hamas leadership woke up on the morning of Oct 7th and said to the followers; "Chaps, what's on today?" they replied "Nothing boss, its a free day for us....might hang around the mosque, organise a stoning of a blasphemer or something" The leader said; "Well, I've got a better idea, lets invade Israel and kill as many Jews as we can." Followers "Why?" Leader; "I can't think of anything better to do, can you."...Followers; "Nah, sounds fine by me."....Yep, it all happens in a vacuum according to the forum clunkers!
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 26 November 2023 5:55:49 AM
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