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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Paul you are brain-washed on Leftist thinking. Israel is a Western society with Western values, they are not going to wipe out every person in Gaza, there are many Christians and civilized citizens in Gaza. Israel employs over 150,000 Gazan citizens in Israel. They are endeavoring to eradicate an extremist bunch that wants Israel exterminated, "From the river to the sea". This is the chant you hear all aroung the Leftist World. Israel has citizens from every country not only Jews. There are no people called Palestinians they are Arabs living in an area originally called Palestine by the Romans during the time Israel occupied the land.

The name Palestine is derived from the Jewish Hebrew word Pelesheth, which means "Philistia, land of the Philistines". The word Palestine was originally used to refer to the country of the Philistines, but was later extended under Roman rule to all Judea and later to Samaria and Galilee. The word Palestine is also associated with grief-stricken dust-rollers and burrow-diggers.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 25 November 2023 8:52:54 AM
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Andrew Hastie, shadow defence minister, fought in Afghanistan. As such he's seen more brutality than many of us can imagine.

A few days back he was shown the raw footage of 7/10 attack by Hamas's barbarians against innocent Israeli citizens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PzAu7P12LY

Among other things he talked of a man and his sons attacked with the farther executed and one boy losing an eye. Hastie, hardened against brutality, could barely keep it together. (go to 2:10 in the video).

We've also recently seen footage of Israeli citizens fleeing armed barbarians and one girl begging for her life, only to be callously and matter-of-factly shot in the head.

There are hundreds of such stories. Yet precious few of the Hamas cheer-squad here or elsewhere have found even one word of compassion for those murdered. If the rapes and murders of young Jews had been done by a Catholic priest, these same people would be calling for retribution. But Jews don't warrant such compassion.

We saw the misinformed school marchers trying to justify these murders. Such utter ignorance can be forgiven in the young, but not forgiven among those who ought to know better.

Despite these outrages against their people and Hamas's promise to do it again given a chance, Israel, according to these heartless souls, should just turn the other cheek. Just take it on the chin and sit around waiting for the next outrage, which they would also be admonished to not respond to.

That's not how the world works
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 25 November 2023 9:32:14 AM
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Jose'

Brain washed,me, no you. There are radical Zionist, a minority of politicians and others in Israel who want every last Palestinian eradicated from the face of the earth. The present Israeli government is the most extreme the country has ever seen, with committed radical Zionists having a disproportional say. I don't believe these radical extremists will hold sway and get their wish, but if Netanyahu can't prevent it then external forces and opinions might.

How would YOU see the future for Palestinians, with thousands dead, and the survivors living under atrocious conditions, lacking the basic essential for life in a bombed out ghetto that is Gaza.

Are you in favour of Australia taking in about 800 Palestinian refugees from Gaze. Or are you like the racists Dutton riling against such a humanitarian act, but saying nothing about the 1700 Israeli refugees coming under the same conditions. DUTTON IS A RACISTS!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 25 November 2023 9:44:50 AM
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"Andrew Hastie, shadow defence minister, fought in Afghanistan. As such he's seen more brutality than many of us can (not) imagine." Judging by the findings of a Royal Commision, Gung-Ho Hastie might have been closer to the action than many of us can imagine.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 25 November 2023 9:58:14 AM
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One option for Gazans who want a better life for their kids would be to move to a different Muslim state like Egypt or Jordan or Kuwait of Lebanon.

Oh wait, they can't do that because these Muslim brothers don't want a bar of the so-called Palestinians. I wonder why?.

http://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1725842440295166376

"Unlike bleeding-heart liberals in America, Arabs know their history".

Yes they do... http://twitter.com/HeavenBoundOrg/status/1718279538160042050
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 25 November 2023 10:45:41 AM
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Israeli historian - Professor Ilan Pappe
tells us that:

There are deep layers of history that will need to
be addressed if a genuine attempt is to be made at
a resolution.

It needs to be recognized that after World War II,
Zionism was allowed to become a colonialist project
at a time when colonialism was being rejected by the
civilized world because the creation of a Jewish
state offered Europe and West Germany in particular,
an easy way out of the worst excesses of anti-Semitism
ever seen.

Israel was the first to declare the recognition of " a
new Germany" - in return it received a lot of money.
but also, far more importantly, a carte blanche to turn
the whole of Palestine into Israel.

Zionism offered itself as the solution to anti-Semitism
but became the main reason for its continued presence.
The "deal" also failed to uproot the the racism and
and xenophobia that that still lies at the heart of
Europe , and which produced Nazism on the continent
and a brutal colonialism outside of it.

That racism and xenophobia is now turned against Muslims
and Islam , since it is intimately connected to the
Israel-Palestinian question. It could be reduced once that
a genuine answer to that question is found.

We all deserve a better ending to the Holocaust. This
could involve a strong multicultural Germany showing the
way to the rest of the world, an American society dealing
bravely with with the racial crimes of its past that still
resonate today. and an Arab world that expunges its
barbarism and inhumanity.

But nothing like that will happen if we continue to fall
into the trap of treating mythologies as truths.

Colonized people even under the UN Charter, have the right
to struggle for their liberation, even with an army, and
the successful ending to such a struggle lies in the
creation of a democratic state that includes all of its
inhabitants.

Any discussion of the future will hopefully be liberated
from the myths about Israel which will help to
bring peace to Israel and Palestine.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 25 November 2023 11:12:53 AM
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