Foxy I will not read left wing propaganda. If you read books about the settlement of Australia, you will also find left wing versions of its history. There are always other views, which is why we have different political parties espousing different values.

Dear Paul,

Indeed things are not that simple and every individual is a world unto their own. Most Gazans only know about Israelis through Hamas propaganda, but once they meet and get to know them in person they change their mind, as happened around the Shifa hospital.

«Do you rally believe Palestinians whose children have been killed, and their homes destroyed will simply be "happier" with the demise of Hamas?»

The answer for most of the above is likely a 'no'.
This is because most of the 4000 "children" who died, were teenagers that were killed because their parents allowed them to join the Hamas, giving them a toy gun for their 5th birthday and a real one for their 10th. And as for those whose homes were destroyed, most of them knew that their building was used by Hamas, often even their children's bedroom where rockets and grenades were stored, yet they didn't mind it.

There are exceptions of course, I acknowledge that shÎt does happen and I am sorry for those.

I believe that most Gazans do not belong in the above categories.
I believe that most Gazans suffered under Hamas rule.
I believe that once they get to know Israelis in real life, they will start to like them.

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Dear Foxy,

«Can Hamas be really wiped out when the state of Israel
continues to inflict inhumanity on Gaza?»

I don't know, I really don't.

All I know is that there is no space for Israel and Hamas to coexist.
If Israel is unable to wipe out Hamas (with or without inflicting inhumanity, that is besides the question) then Israel itself will be wiped out - with all the inhuman consequences that follow. It is as simple as that.

«Such inhumanity is not born in a vacuum . It has a
history and an ideological infrastructure that justifies
it.»

There is inhumanity and sick ideologies on both sides and I do hope that it will be taken care of after the war. Nothing can be done about it till then.

Dear Delivery,

«If Hamas were to go, which I doubt will ever happen, another organization will take it's place.»

Maybe, maybe not.

Death will eventually visit everyone and the next bacteria or virus is always behind the corner, but that does not mean that you stop taking your antibiotics while you can.

Even if what you say is true, then Israelis will buy a few more years to live - even Netanyahu estimated this war to bring 5-10 years of quiet. After that, Israel will have to again do whatever it takes to try to remain afloat. C'est la vie.

Hi mhaze,
"I mentioned this illogical position to Foxy a while back and now we see it from you."
- I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
I'm not sure how you are going to logically argue that killing innocents isn't going to radicalise those remaining.

Think about hollywood movies we've all seen many times.
Kind, caring, placid parent has their child taken hostage.
Kind, caring, placid parent becomes enraged and focused on a single purpose, hunts down hostage takers - KILLS EVERYONE.
We see it in movies, why would you not think that people would not feel and capable of acting this way in real life?

Let's say we have little johnny, lives in Gaza, he's a good boy.
Parent's told him to stay away from Hamas and focus on his studies.
- And he does, keeps away from trouble and on the straight and narrow.

Then his older brother joins Hamas, throws rocks at a tank and gets shot, then taken into an Israeli prison in indefinite detention without charge, but johnnys a good boy.
Then his older sister gets dragged off the street by IDF and raped so that she becomes an informant, but johnnys a good boy.
Some of his cousins are killed by IDF for approaching the perimiter fence, but johnny stays on the straight and narrow.
Then all this war starts and Israel fires a missile that lands on his parents home, his father is killed 9mortally wounded and dies after 3 days), and his mother is maimed, confined to a wheelchair and starts to lose her mind after the death of her husband.
With his father dead and his mother in a wheelchair and there's no income to look after the family, johnny the good kid on the straight and narrow can't turn a blind eye anymore.

[Cont.]
Little good boy Johnny says "Feck it. I tried to do the right thing and stay away from Hamas and out of trouble. The occupiers shot my brother, have him in indefinite detention where we hear he's tortured, they raped my sister, killed two of my my cousins, killed my dad - I watched him suffer and die after 3 days and my mum was maimed and confined to a wheelchair and has started to lose her mind. I can't be the good boy anymore sorry. I tried, I really did but they went too far. I will now will make it my lifes one single purpose to make these people pay."

And little good boy johnny, well, he ain't a good boy anymore.
He's bad, real bad - about as bad as one can get, with no remorse.

I can see this happening.
So what makes you think that killing innocents isn't going to radicalise those remaining?
How many has Israel radicalised in the last 6 weeks?
- Give me a number, in tens of thousands.

Tell me by what retarded leap of logic can you argue that killing thousands of innocent people isn't going to radicalise the rest?

Under what insane mental process do you conclude that little Johnny is going to run up to a member of the IDF and give them a big warm hug and say "Thank-you for saving us from Hamas"?

Is this what you think?

It doesn't matter how many Hamas there were before
What matters is that Israel is just creating more and more doing what it's doing.

[Cont.]
"My own view based on trying to interpret necessarily questionable surveys is that a much larger position of the Gazans support Hamas than the Palestinian cheer-squad would like to admit..."
- I think that's a reasonable assessment.
"...but that a plurality of Gazans look forward to the day they are relieved of the yoke of Hamas rule."
- I think there's some truth to that too, but right now, I'd argue Israel is creating more than it's killing.

I'd also argue that Israel craps on these people, pushes them to the point they act out and when they do, Israel uses it as a pretext to justify more extreme measures against them.

"It is true that many more lives are being lost than ought to be necessary but this is because Hamas is hiding behind kids and burkas as they bravely (sic) run away from the IDF. Just today we find evidence that Hamas had tunnels below hospitals, schools and mosques - all war crimes and all ultimately ignored by the pro-Hamas cheer-squad."

What would you have them do in a place so densely populated, go and find an empty football field to stand in and draw a big red target on their foreheads?

Israel levels an entire building to get one Hamas member.
Who's going to prove there actually was a member of Hamas under the rubble?
And how do we know it wasn't a regular government official as opposed to a member of al-Qassam Brigade?

As for the tunnel, I've seen no conclusive 'evidence'.
Just a picture that could've been taken anywhere in Hamas purported 500klms of tunnels.

Show me footage of IDF walking through the front door of the Hospital down into the tunnel.
Show me footage of the health worker who worked there for 20 years and who firstly said 'no such tunnels existed', now saying 'shite I was wrong there really were tunnels here'

I'm not arguing there's no tunnels, I'm open minded about it, just don't show me 'a picture' and tell me it's evidence.
We all should demand more from the media.