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For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 20 November 2023 8:59:37 AM
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SR wrote:"The Israeli spokesperson in the video was quite explicit saying"
Which video? Speaking of links.... http://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-police-say-extreme-sexual-violence-rape-by-hamas-terrorists-was-systematic In the past we had people reaching for the fainting couch when Trump talked (just talked) about grabbing women by the pussy. These same folk now avert their eyes, ears and heart at the massive sexual violence that occurred on 7/10. It seems raping Israeli girls is not really a crime as far as these people are concerned. ""I understood they were raping her," S said. "They were passing her from one person to the next. She was alive and standing on her feet. She was bleeding from her back." S then described how one of the terrorists sliced off the woman’s breast and began playing around with it. Another, the witness said, shot the woman in the head while he was still penetrating her. "He did not even lift up his pants and shot her in the head," S said, adding that she spied another terrorist haul a naked, dead woman over his shoulder and walk off with her. Another, she said, cut off someone’s head and was walking around with it like a trophy. " The clip also describes children bound together and burned alive. Still, people like Foxy have picked a side and the horrors no longer register or matter to them. Nor do the facts. They call it an occupation so as to justify their hatred of the Jews but fail to realise that they are just regurgitating radical Islam's propaganda. Posted by mhaze, Monday, 20 November 2023 9:00:43 AM
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Dear Paul,
It could have been nice, but in reality and in nature there is no such thing as inalienable rights of man. Think of it: if such rights existed then man would be immortal, not only man but every animal too - why the distinction. Then women would not have pains during birth, etc. Another interesting implication of such rights would be the freedom to hurt others with impunity - inalienable means inalienable! This mistaken concept, I believe, was born of the confusion between ourselves and people (or humans). In our Absolute true nature we do indeed enjoy eternal freedom, liberty, happiness, peace and contentment, but the humans we mistakenly think ourselves as do not enjoy any of these, nor does any other piece of matter or organism. «Israel has the overwhelming fire power» Fire is only one aspect of power. It is not sufficient for survival, more is required. Israelis genuinely feel under existential threat, that their survival is at stake, and that includes Israelis of all political persuasions, including socialists, Green and Arabs/Muslims. Living in constant fear of similar attacks to October 7th would not be possible or sustainable. All Israelis that lived up to 7km from the Gaza strip as well as from Israel's northern border with Lebanon, we are talking a 6-digit number of them, had to flee their homes, some only with the cloths they were wearing at the time, and have no idea when they will be able to return. Their businesses have been destroyed too, but they know they cannot return so long as Hamas exists that close by. They now expect to be internally displaced for at least a year. Even the others cannot lead normal lives due to the rockets from Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen, due to the men being called to the army as reservists and due to the fighter jet plains constantly flying above, all night, which does not allow them to sleep. Israel's economy too is expected to collapse should the situation continue indefinitely. No democratic state can survive like that. [continued...] Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 20 November 2023 9:15:47 AM
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«and is now using that power to extract collective punishment on the Palestinian people.» I admit that there are some sick people in Israel who want that. Nevertheless, this is not Israel's general policy. Israel has a wall-to-wall consensus in agreement that Hamas need to be annihilated and the hostages returned, that Israelis would not be able to live otherwise, That's all that is being agreed, nothing else. «sh!t happens scenario, is not justification for killing innocent women and children.» What to do - it does happen, even here in Australia... Women and children indeed die - but not in such numbers as stated in Arab propaganda. Also "children" include anyone under 18, which includes many Hamas teen-aged fighters, of which Israel has already killed 30,000+ even while they do not report that. --- Dear Foxy, I agree that there is no military solution to this conflict. But first thing first. The immediate crisis needs to be handled right now, then in the day after, the sky is the limit! Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 20 November 2023 9:15:50 AM
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Yuyutsu,
Netanyahu is a major barrier standing in the way of Israel changing its policy towards the Palestinians. A policy that brought everyone to this current disaster. Were he to leave that barrier would be removed. While it might not automatically make life better for Israelis and Palestinians - it would certainly create conditions under which more positive developments become more likely. It is one scant ray of hope amid the nightmare in which the two sides are currently trapped. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 20 November 2023 10:26:44 AM
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"War is hell but it really isn't hard to know which side to support - and it's not the one that bakes a baby alive in an oven, gang rapes women, and hacks an injured man's head off with a shovel". (Miranda Devine).
A couple of posters here, along with the truly appalling Foreign Minister, do not agree. Posted by ttbn, Monday, 20 November 2023 1:49:10 PM
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Palestinians are a stateless people.
While western countries are becoming peopleless states.
(Unless 'global citizen' is a national identity and multiculturalism is a culture)