SR,

Unlike you, I've been extremely careful about the numbers I've used.(How many people died in the hospital carpark?) This comes from a long experience of understanding the fog of war. I've never used the 1400 figure for deaths in the initial massacre. There was never any way to know the exact numbers and its always been clear that there was some resistance to the massacre and therefore some deaths among the Gazan barbarians. I've never said there were 40 beheaded babies. I have said there were beheaded babies, and that was based on clear and unequivocal evidence from the forensic scientists I've mentioned before.

But this is so typical of SR's moronic methods. If someone says 40 beheaded babies, SR pretends the entire incident didn't happen if only a lesser number is proven. I wonder how many beheaded babies SR needs to have proven to him before he shows some compassion to the victims?

"And please don't keep repeating links to accounts which have been confirmed to have been exaggerated."

I repeated the link because you'd ignored it initially and asked for it again. Dill!

"....but facts do matter for the rest of us. "

I look forward to seeing evidence of that.

I know most of the pro-Hamas brigade here aren't interested in contrary information and most likely won't read and/or understand this article, but I feel the need to post it anyway....

http://whiterosemagazine.com/jihadi-journalism/

The second half of the article should be required reading for those who fell hook line and sinker for the lies perpetrated by Hamas about the al-Ahli hospital and then dutifully promulgated by the anti-Israel media beloved of those of a certain leaning - yes I'm looking at you Foxy, SR and AC.

Required reading. But, I'll wager, left unread.

The first half of the article provides a history of the way the media accepts and regurgitates Hamas' talking-points. I would behove those mentioned above to acquaint themselves with the famous Muhammad al Durah incident to understand how all this works and how they are repeatedly lied to..... http://vimeo.com/67060204

It is referred to as Pallywood for a reason. Hint: filming the Israeli 'murder' of a child while calling for take-two, is probably a give-away.

But I know how this works. Those who fell for the hospital story have already long since forgotten it and memory-holed the entire incident. They've probably already convinced themselves they were on the right side of the story. What didn't happen was treating it as a learning experience. Falling for one lie should lead to scepticism over the next story. But for many, they just double-down on their pro-Hamas convictions.

Post-truth mhaze,

More of the same.

You earlier claimed: "Palestinian Sources are stating that she was actually Killed by several Strikes to the Head by her Hamas Captors."

You still refuse to provide a link to a reputable news source verifying this?

You accuse Hamas of beheading babies but as yet there is no firm evidence of them doing so. The only baby so far listed among the dead of Oct 7th was shot while in her mother's arms.

Even the emotional claims from the link you posted were also qualified: “Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, it’s difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, “whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG,” he explained.”

You yourself have blatantly engaged in Chinese whispers with “a mother and child bound together and burnt alive”.

And it appears Fox News is the only organisation reporting from a police briefing about witness S who apparently said “They were passing her from one person to the next. She was alive and standing on her feet. She was bleeding from her back."

Rather than you over-hyping the already deeply tragic, perhaps it is best to restrain yourself until the proper investigations are carried out.

Lying SR,

"On Thursday, explicit images of bloodied and burned babies and children’s rooms covered in blood and gunpowder were posted on the official accounts of the State of Israel and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on X, formerly Twitter.

“Those who deny these events are supporting the barbaric animals who are responsible for them."

http://efe.com/en/latest-news/2023-10-13/israel-releases-photos-of-babies-killed-by-hamas/

"The unauthorised protesters who marched through Sydney spewing anti-Semitic bile and screaming “Gas the Jews” are a sign of what can happen when people make everything about race.

After being poisoned for decades with hatred against “the Jews who stole their land”, it’s hardly surprising Palestinians (and their supporters here) don’t want peaceful co-existence with the people of Israel. Instead, they want to wipe Israel off the map and drive the Jewish people into the sea, quite literally.

This is even though Israel is the only functioning democracy in the Middle East, a country with a free press, an independent judiciary, rights for women and LGB citizens, free elections that often change the government and a parliament where every minority is represented.

In truth, they’re the victims of Hamas itself, a terrorist regime that perpetuates and exploits their poverty to maintain the rage against Israel that fuels the atrocities we’ve just seen and the rapturous response to them (even here) from people fed a diet of race hate."

Hey mhaze,
"Still, people like Foxy have picked a side and the horrors no longer register or matter to them. Nor do the facts. They call it an occupation so as to justify their hatred of the Jews but fail to realise that they are just regurgitating radical Islam's propaganda."

More UN nations (including the UN itself) consider it an occupation as would I.
Mhaze, the horrors Israel are inflicting on the people of Gaza don't matter to you, so either take the blinkers off or STFU.

You don't like what happened to Hamas hostages, (well nor do I)
But maybe you should ask yourself why Hamas took them.

Because Israel has over 5000 hostages held without charge and tortured in Israeli prisons, and Hamas wanted to use these people to get it's own people back. Some women are raped whilst being filmed to turn them into informants, (As they may be shamed and even killed by Hamas or their own families if the footage was shared) just as young kids who throw rocks at tanks get their arms broken, and are not set in place properly so they can't throw rocks again.

So when people say 'unprovoked' then they are just talking bs, and you're no different, trying to polish the crimes on one side and ignore those of the other.

One side is the cause of conflict.
The other side is the reaction to it.

How many people do you have living in your own rape dungeon?
(you seem to be giving your own support to that kind of thing)