Yuyutsu,

Here's a quote from Oscar Wilde that I think is appropriate:

"The simplicity of your character makes you exquisitely
incomprehensible to me."

Dear Foxy,

To simplify my response further for you:

1. A second ("Palestinian") state could be nice and if it comes to that then I will vote in favour.

2. Having that second state is not going to address the objectives you raised (i.e. security for Israel and self-determination for Palestinians).

Hamas is not just an idea or ideology. It is a terrorist organisation funded and supplied by Iran and by useful idiots like Penny Wong that has just given $22m of taxpayer money to these murderers.

I'm not as pessimistic. I believe that a 2 state solution
is the answer to this conflict. I believe in safety, and
security and self determination for both sides. I believe
that it is possible through peaceful negotiations led
by and including all the parties mentioned earlier.

Shadow Minister, taking sides doesn't help.

Foxy, hear, hear.

BTW, On what day do the people of Gaze get to celebrate a holiday, an independence day? How about the children is there "fireworks" let off for the occasion, just for them? Too right, the Zionists are letting off dirty big fireworks, supplied by America, everyday on the hapless women and children of Gaza, murdering thousands.

Dear Foxy,

You need to decide whether you prefer self determination OR two states:

You cannot have both because if the people of the West Bank could truly determine their own fate, then they would opt to rejoin Greater Syria, rather than ask for an independent state of their own.

Similarly, the people of Gaza would opt to join with Egypt, not that Egypt will ever agree to absorb that mob.