Hi Yuyutsu,

"Regarding Israeli civilians killed, Israel so far identified the bodies of 859."

I came across something last night that contradicted the earlier information I shared regarding the ratio between IDF and civilians killed.

- And it's closer to the number SM quoted, just over 30% IDF.

If you go to the Haaretz article and click the 'Filter by' button
- You'll see the numbers for each.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-19/ty-article-magazine/israels-dead-the-names-of-those-killed-in-hamas-massacres-and-the-israel-hamas-war/0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000

So now we have contradicting information, and I'm not certain which one is correct.

Interesting that the x account that posted the first information here
http://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1722059911537033514
also reposted the second info here.
http://twitter.com/propandco/status/1724195309134270643

The Haaretz article currently states 771 civilian deaths
- With 1 child 'Mila Cohen', aged 10 months, from Be'eri

Hi ttbn,
"Josephus is correct. Hamas is not interested in any 'two state' policy; it wants a state without a single Jew in it."

That's not entirely accurate, facts matter.

If you go to the Hamas Charter 2017 you'll see this:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hamas-2017-document-of-general-principles-and-policies

>>20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.<<

(I guess this is the part where Jews argue 'From the river to the sea' is Anti-Semitic' because it opposes the existence of the Zionist state of Israel; conversely though the Israeli flags 2 blue stripes top and bottom signify the same thing, so they're both as bad as each other)

In any case, it is said that Mahmoud Abbas is in Israels pocket and is not serious about a 2-state solution, which then makes Hamas the only real group to be seriously seeking a 2 state solution, but many say that Hamas only plans to use this as a stepping stone to take more.

AC

Your reference is 6 years old.

Yes, and this conflict is 75+ years old.
I think the 2017 Hamas Charter is the most recent one.

Dear Armchair Critic,

To a large extent I'm not sure exact numbers really matter at this stage. It was simply horrific enough even if 50% of those killed were IDF or other agencies.

I suspect of the Oct 7th the number is closer to 30% and would be wary of using the current Haaretz figures as they are being updated with daily IDF deaths from current operations.

Where I do think it is important is questioning the figure of 1,400 civilian deaths from Oct 7th are bandied about as justification for the continuous bombing of crowded Gazan cities. It is obviously not accurate and the truth does matter.

AC

The point is, nobody now expects the imaginative two state situation to ever eventuate, after 75 years of conflict and vows to wipe out the Jews. It's dead.