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Netanyahu Declares War.

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The only thing that has been proven definitively is that Hamas has been lying through its collective teeth. What we do know is:

1 -The hospital was not bombed and is standing virtually undamaged,
2 -A bomb dropped from an aircraft would have made a far greater crater,
3 -There were not 500 killed in the parking lot, probably closer to 30,
4 - Hamas was firing rockets from close to the hospital, over the hospital
5 - A rocket was seen to fail and fall with an explosion.

The only people who believe it was an Israeli bomb are those antisemites who don't want it to be Hamas.

The Jury is in.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 19 October 2023 12:33:02 PM
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And then we have the Ukraine
US politicians have already soured on the Ukraine theatre and with Israel now the news feature of the moment.
Ukraine is yesterday's news.
Now the mantra in the US will be 'Ukraine or Israel' and guess which one is going to go down the drain.
Then we have the war dogs waiting to see how far the US is willing to stretch itself and still have the ability to offer it's protection services to S.Korea, Japan and the Pacific region.
Israel will come at a high cost with the US will still losing on all fronts and the UK will have problems of it's own.
It's quite likely Israel, both as a state and entity, will cease to function in the long term without Arab concessions and it's quite likely 'Palestine' will replace 'Israel' in name as the end result of unification of it's people.
A tall ask you say.
The US will likely shrink back to it's own borders because no one will be able to afford to have the US as a friend after this display of ongoing arrogant and incompetent ME diplomacy and there will be a severe backlash in the US against the Jewish organizations.
The situation at present is China's to win, US to lose, 'cos the US never did mean 'us' despite the BS rhetoric.
Posted by Special Delivery, Thursday, 19 October 2023 12:42:09 PM
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"Israel, the US government and independent security experts said Wednesday the preliminary evidence for a deadly explosion at a Gaza hospital compound pointed to a local militant group, casting doubt on Palestinian claims that an Israeli air strike was responsible.

Independent analysts poring over publicly available images of Tuesday’s explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza and its aftermath say the blast site doesn’t bear the hallmarks of a strike with a bomb or missile of the types usually used by Israel.

The amount of damage also appears inconsistent with the Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry’s assertion that 471 people were killed, experts said.

“We have none of the indicators of an air strike – none,” said Michael Knights of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, an expert on military and security issues.

The US has collected “high confidence” signals intelligence indicating that the blast at the hospital in Gaza was caused by the militant group Palestinian Islamic Jihad, US officials said, buttressing Israel’s contention that it wasn’t responsible for the blast."
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 19 October 2023 12:50:56 PM
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The United States on Wednesday vetoed a Brazilian led UN Security Council resolution that would have called for “humanitarian pauses” to deliver lifesaving aid to millions in Gaza. The failure by the Council to make its first public intervention on the Israel-Gaza crisis followed the rejection of a Russian-backed draft on Monday evening. Of the 15 members of the Security Council ONLY THE US VOTED AGAINST THE RESOLUTION, whilst Russia and the United Kingdom abstained from voting. AND YOU HAVE TO ASK WHO THE WARMONGERING MONSTERS ARE NOW! Add the United States to the list, once again!
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 19 October 2023 12:57:58 PM
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Well, whatever the case may be it's a fact that in wars especially it's politically useful to blame the other side.
The first bit of info that comes out gets the most attention and then often a week later when media interest dies off and people are no longer paying as much attention an alternative story comes out.

I've seen footage of both sides (Israel and Palestinian) staging events to help sway public opinion.

Certainly the Palestinians have a vested interest in trying to gain international headlines any sympathy in regards to the ongoing occupation and the situation that exists there.

I haven't yet seen any evidence apart from those tweets which would make me want to assert with confidence that is was an Israeli strike on the hospital, but regardless of that I have seen many many dead and injured non-combatants (many of which were kids) that have been dragged out from under the rubble due to the 6000+ earlier Israeli strikes on places where they live.

The collateral damage on non-combatants, double tap strikes on paramedic and rescue teams and sheer number of dead women and kids equates to war crimes in my opinion, regardless of which side was responsible for the hospital event.

Israel by acting in a vengeful way, is not doing itself any favours regardless of what Hamas did a little over a week ago, and this may have been the Palestinians plan all along, knowing full well the reprisal attacks would be far worse than what they themselves did.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 19 October 2023 1:26:03 PM
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Hi Paul,
Russia knew that their draft would be vetoed by the US;
- But they will also likely raise the issue in the UN general assembly, where it might find significant more support, and where it will also demonstrate that it's the US standing against peace and the majority of world opinion.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 19 October 2023 1:30:37 PM
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