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The Forum > General Discussion > The treaty at the heart of Uluru.

The treaty at the heart of Uluru.

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Dear Foxy,

You are demonstrating in your own way why the yes campaign is failing. The biggest blow came when Mr Albanese was adamant that the Uluru statement was just one page and all the yes advocates fell in behind him regardless of what they might have said in the past. No clear explanations, just waffle, emotive appeals and dogma.

So much for truth telling.
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 19 August 2023 10:52:59 AM
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Fester,

The Prime Minister explained the length of the Uluru
Statement from the Heart. It was only one page. The
rest were supporting documents and not part of the
Statement.

This has all been explained. Yet you seem to want to
continue stirring. I can't understand why you're doing
that. Your interpretation of the truth sadly differs
from the realities.

I'll leave you to enjoy your attempts at stirring.
Although it is a poor show and inevitably should be
ignored.

Walking away.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 19 August 2023 11:02:41 AM
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"Until the ballot papers are in hand, nobody can say with certainty what the text of the questions we must vote on will be."

Untrue.

The question has already been decided and legislated....

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.
Do you approve this proposed alteration?"
_________________________________________________________________-
By way of explanation, the Proposed Law is:

"The ‘Proposed Law’ that Australians are being asked to vote upon is set out in the Constitution Alteration Bill. If approved at the referendum, the following words would be added to the Constitution:

Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples

129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:

*there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;

*the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;

*the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures."
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 19 August 2023 11:12:09 AM
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Amanda Stoker, dumped by the Lefty Liberals, correctly notes that "lead voice" Albanese doesn't even understand the Voice, even though he is trying to "cajole and manipulate Australians into supporting a proposal for a near-permanent change to our nation’s institutions".

As she knows, and we all know, Albanese has not read the full document. He has, in fact, openly made a fool of himself, and asked why he should read it.

Sheesh! Why would he have read up on everything before trying to convince Australians to vote for it?

Silly old us for thinking that he should!

So much for his "modest" proposal when he doesn't even know what that proposal really is, and the traumatic effect it would have on the way Australia is governed - forever.

Goodbye to all people being equal before the law and good bye to democracy itself.

The Voice would "throw sand in the gears of government" , "slow the approvals process for projects", "open wider the scope for challenge to ministerial decisions" - "all without evidence that it would make a jot of difference" …to.. "Aboriginal Australians who largely live in remote communities".

All successes so far have been achieved without a Voice, by "traditionally elected governments" doing their job properly, and "individuals making choices to change their lives for the better."

No indulgence in group grievance, which shifts responsibility for daily actions from the individual to the collective - which is what the Voice would do. There's that Communist 'collective' again.

Stoker believes that Albanese is either treating Australians with disrespect, or he is not being frank about the nature of the Voice.

She had "had thought it was the former", but it, "Turns out (to be) the latter."

And so say all of those people who can see through Albanese.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 19 August 2023 11:21:49 AM
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Yes voters your take on this please !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8M4kIvRMMc
Posted by Indyvidual, Saturday, 19 August 2023 12:06:47 PM
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Indyvidual,

You have just proven why the YES vote is so necessary
for the Voice. The Indigenous communities know full
well what needs to be done to fix the problems in
their communities. They don't have the power to
implement the solutions and to date, all decisions
have been made for them by others without any
consultation of the communities. A Voice would get
better outcomes. Glad you see that. That is what
people like Marcia Langdon, Noel Pearson, Linda Burney,
et al, are asking of us. To get better outcomes for
their people.

That's why a YES vote is so important.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 19 August 2023 12:56:04 PM
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