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The Forum > General Discussion > The treaty at the heart of Uluru.

The treaty at the heart of Uluru.

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It is a bloody advisory body you dolt.
SteeleRedux,

Not yet !
If I'm the dolt than that makes you one of those Hasbeen described so perfectly below. And, this dolt has already witnessed first hand how this Voice will be worked by those given the authority to work it !

Only the completely naive or totally thoughtless will believe there are not hidden agendas in this referendum.
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 18 August 2023 7:36:42 PM
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Dear Steele,

I am wary of calls to abandon democracy as the only way to attain outcomes. I'd rather stick with the devil I know thanks.
Posted by Fester, Friday, 18 August 2023 7:43:37 PM
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Dear Fester,

And still no proper acknowledgement from you of the issues of poverty, trachoma rates, 20 to a 3 bedroom house, insanely high incarceration rates, children more likely to go to jail that university, the simple plea from the Uluru Statement from the Heart:

"Proportionally, we are the most incarcerated people on the planet. We are not an innately criminal people. Our children are aliened from their families at unprecedented rates. This cannot be because we have no love for them. And our youth languish in detention in obscene numbers. They should be our hope for the future."

None of that makes even the slightest impression. Rather it is all about what you might miss out on. Your perceived slice of democracy somehow at risk.

Really not a good look.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 18 August 2023 10:09:15 PM
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Until the ballot papers are in hand, nobody can say with certainty what the text of the questions we must vote on will be.

The fact is we Australians are notorious for voting NO at referendums. We have had 44 referendums and we only voted YES 8 times. That’s a success rate of 18% and a failure rate of 82%.

So, for the referendum to have an 82% chance of succeeding, the question must be in negative form. Since there is an 82% chance of a NO vote, the two negatives result in a positive outcome.

For example :

Version 1 :

Do you agree that First Nations Peoples should have a say in laws concerning them ?

Vote : NO (82%) – YES (18%)

Result : Negative
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Version 2 :

Do you agree that First Nations Peoples should not have a say in laws concerning them ?

Vote : NO (82%) – YES (18%)

Result : Positive
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This is just to illustrate a point. Obviously, the tactics employed by governments are far more subtle and sophisticated than that. The Howard government’s draft of the last referendum 24 years ago (in 1999) re Australia becoming a republic is a case in hand.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 19 August 2023 12:35:17 AM
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So up comes SR, mouth piece for the labor party & government assuring us there is no hidden agenda in the voice.

Even if I believed government bureaucrats, I still would not believe anything by SR. I wonder if he ever manages to lie straight in bed?
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 19 August 2023 1:12:23 AM
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SteeleReflux and his ilk are panicking.

Australians are increasingly becoming aware of the BS in the claims that this is only a voice to parliament when Albozo and his 40 clowns have clearly refused to rule out the voice having representation at every level of government or rule out measures to prevent the judiciary effectively making this voice a veto. That this is also clearly a first step towards drawing up a treaty is also clear.

The only positive from this Labor vanity project is that Albozo is likely to get knifed when the $300m waste of money is thrashed by the voters.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 19 August 2023 5:04:39 AM
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