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When Religion Is Taken To The Extreme

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Dear David F.,

«I don't know of any meaning for the phrase, unborn Eternal.»

I think you are sufficiently intelligent to understand what it means, you just cannot find any examples, as indeed, nothing in the world is unborn or Eternal.

So when I wrote in my previous post, "The only way if one really wants safety, is to cling to the unborn Eternal.", I meant that instead of looking for safety outside in the world of objects, one should turn inward.

«The first is made by humans, and the second is a consequence of human observation of the behavior of matter.»

Human observe the behaviour of [not just] matter and put it to words, yet that observed behaviour does not depend on the words and formulations they use.

«"The gods are angry."»

I mentioned nothing of the like. If someone else did then you should take it up with them instead.

«I don't share your belief in mythology.»

I don't share your belief in mythology either, especially that primitive myth that claims that you are a human called "David" who was born at that particular date, time and place, a belief that was enforced and ingrained into your young brain by your parents before you were equipped and capable of critical thinking to reject such nonsense.

David was born and will die in the coming years, peacefully I hope, but you were never born nor will you ever die. It is that myth which makes it so difficult for you to see that truth.

That David has in fact died long ago - because not a single atom in baby-David's body is likely still present in your old body today. You cannot logically be both baby-David and old-David, you cannot be both dead and alive, yet the myths we learnt with our mother's milk are extremely difficult to shake away.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 12:17:44 AM
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The replacement of the atoms that make up our body is not death the way I understand death. I still don't share your belief in mythology.

However, at the moment, I enjoy your nonsense. My wife experienced real death on March 26, and I miss her.

I hope we and others will not die as a result of the use of nuclear weapons. In August 1945 I thought they would be used again long before now. I'm happy to be wrong.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 12:32:50 AM
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If one wants to attack Martin Luther for any anti-Hebrew views one should look at the evolution of his thought. Initially ML was very favorable to Hebrews but over time him came to believe that the Hebrew establishment was manipulating the government as if they were foreign agents.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 7:25:24 AM
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Dear David,

I'm so sorry to learn of your wife's passing.

My most heartfelt condolences.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 1:00:46 PM
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Dear David F.,

«The replacement of the atoms that make up our body is not death the way I understand death.»

Obviously you are not dead.
It's only the baby-David that is dead and scattered across the globe.
Fortunately you are not it!

(that reminds me of the Jewish story about the guy who went to synagogue and requested to say "Hagomel". When asked "why? what danger have you been in?", he responded that he noticed his coat hanging on the cloth-line and is so grateful that he was not inside)

Just as you survived the deaths of baby-David, child-David, youth-David, young-David and middle-aged-David, you will similarly survive the death of old-David.

Sure your experiences were different with each of them and you can well expect your experiences to change again - maybe even, at the most extreme possibility, there will not be any experiences following old-David's death, in that case you would become experience-less, but that does not change who you are in the slightest: still the very same one who experienced life as a baby, as a child, as a youth, as a young man, as a middle-aged man and now as an old man.

«I still don't share your belief in mythology.»

As I see it, you just believe in other, different stories, no less illogical.

«I hope we and others will not die as a result of the use of nuclear weapons. In August 1945 I thought they would be used again long before now. I'm happy to be wrong.»

I can only wish myself and yourself a quick death, not like my mother who died a horrible slow death of Parkinson, locked up in her body without being able to express herself in any way.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 10 August 2023 6:15:54 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

My mother spent her last 7 years in a comatose state. My father was cracking jokes up to a half an hour before he died.

What illogical stories do I believe? I think it quite reasonable to believe that death is the end.

I hope that we both do not end up like our mothers. The baby David is not dead. He has been transformed as a caterpillar is transformed to a butterfly.

My wife had Parkinson's and died of VSED (voluntary stopping of eating and drinking). Her Parkinson's made her eligible for VSED.

May we continue to live and differ for a while more.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 10 August 2023 6:54:45 PM
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