Dear Steele,

I saw a cartoon on the web that you might like:

Two CEOs walking along discussing the Voice.

One says to the other:

"I've always found that with a generous donation
we get a decent "voice" into the making of laws that
affect us."

His friend replies:

"Same! who needs a change in the Constitution."

Dear Steele,

I deal with facts.

It's an occupational habit.

Beyond that Foxy,
I truly have nothing against you personally.
You are a valued member of the forum as much as everyone else.
I'm not bothered that you disagree with me on numerous issues.
I just don't like the finger waving and attempts to silence opinions you disagree with.
It's a matter of principle, I must stand up for free speech, the right of everyone to express their opinions however they choose, within the constraints that we already have.
No one else here tries to dictate what others think and say.
I myself may even say that I think a persons comment is stupid, but I would never try to restrict them from saying what they think.

Telling another poster to :

1) Please don't deal with hypotheticals.

2) Stop attempts at fear-mongering.

3) Deal with facts not conjecture and personal biases.

This does not amount to being a "control-freak."
It's merely an attempt at trying to correct lies,
and misinformation.

Hi Foxy,
Well even if Josephus was engaging in hypotheticals, fear-mongering, conjecture and personal biases, who are you to say that he can't say it?
He can defend himself in regards to the content.

You don't get to finger wave and tell him what he can and can't say;
You are most certainly welcome to respond with 'facts' that show his claims to be invalid or state that 'IN YOUR OPINION' 'this or that point' is a hypothetical argument or raising certain aspects of a discussion could be seen as fearmongering;
- In which case you MUST still recognise that he is still every bit entitled to do it, as you've no authority to dictate what people think and say.

Josephus spoke about indigenous murdering and eating their own children.

I don't know the truth of it, and whilst it portrays indigenous people as soulless sub-human people not worthy of fair and equal treatment, at a time when Australians have to make a decision on this referendum, (which relies very much on appealing to peoples emotions) and you might feel his comments may influence people a certain way that doesn't mean he's not permitted to say it, nor does it mean he's racist for saying it.

You ARE equally allowed to make your own arguments to influence others.

As for conjecture and personal biases, please note your own comments would often be considered conjecture.
Personal biases however are a core part of peoples opinions.
More often than not you seem to cherry-pick the facts which reinforce your own personal biases, and refuse to look at 'inconvenient facts' which would alter your opinion or broaden your own understanding of a particular topic.

Ultimately I don't even know how you can make a response like that with a straight face, considering most of it applies directly to your own comments.

But I do understand that some people can never accept criticism as being valid.
They cannot see how that which they accuse others of also applies to them, and they always argue the point in an effort to justify their own behavior.

I didn't say Josephus can't say it.

I asked him not to deal with hypotheticals, conjectures,
et cetera,
but to deal with facts.
I asked him to stop his attempts at fear mongering.

Your interpretations of what I posted is not my problem.