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The Forum > General Discussion > Do you need to be sophisticated? The Dark Emu debate continues.

Do you need to be sophisticated? The Dark Emu debate continues.

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Foxy,
"Your words are a reflection of your own insecurities."

- Maybe, maybe not..
But we're not talking about me so don't deflect.

"I know who I am. You don't."
- Do you? I'm not so sure.

I already beat you to the punch - Scroll up and re-read
"But I do understand that some people can never accept criticism as being valid.
They cannot see how that which they accuse others of also applies to them, and they always argue the point in an effort to justify their own behavior."

Was I wrong?

"Telling another poster to :
1) Please don't deal with hypotheticals.
2) Stop attempts at fear-mongering.
3) Deal with facts not conjecture and personal biases.

This does not amount to being a "control-freak."
It's merely an attempt at trying to correct lies,
and misinformation."

Seems like you were trying to control things to me, you even admitted it.
"It's merely an attempt at trying to correct..."

These comments above look like subtle demands, like a school teacher scolding a child, or a dog owner teaching obedience.

You don't need to correct anyone we're all adults.
Just present your own facts and offer your own opinions, simple.

"You would not bother - if I wasn't a threat."
You're not a threat, you're annoying, frustrating, nitpicking.
Pat people on the head when they say something you approve of - good boy.
Or wave your finger around when you disapprove - bad dog.
Don't overstate your own importance, it's just a forum.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 10:04:43 PM
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I wonder if they have a farmers market in Wutunugurra?
- Because we all need good fresh fruit and vegies to stay healthy, it looks pretty desolate out there
"Get your fresh cactus!"

I wonder if they've got a local butcher shop or if they have access to a wide range of health products and medicines?

Anyone got the phone number for Chemist Warehouse in Wutunugurra?
Damn, it looks like the closest one is in Coolalinga, (Darwin)
- it's only 1170klms away.

Sounds like you've got a bit of a cough - Lets go get some codral.
Quick jump in the car, it's only 12 hrs and 33 minutes away.

What you scaped your knee?
Jump in the car well just duck up the shop and grab some dettol.

What's that you need some tampons?
Emergency, I'll call the flying doctor.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 10:23:55 PM
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Me - a control freak?

No way!

I'm not a control freak.

But can I show you the right way to post? (smile).

And unlike Putin who you wholeheartedly support, I don't
throw people out of buildings if they don't do exactly
what I want.

You're welcome.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 August 2023 10:41:29 AM
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Regarding the Voice:

I'll repeat what I posted on another discussion:

For those who are concerned about the Voice giving
"special rights" to our First Nations people?
Don't be.

"The Voice does not confer special rights on anyone.
A group of leading constitutional lawyers, including a
former High Court Judge have considered this question.

They found that the Voice does not confer rights, let
alone "special rights" on anyone. Instead the Voice
would give Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
an opportunity to make representations to the Parliament
and the Government. All Australians have the same
opportunity.

The Voice would not change this. It would not change or take
away any right, power, or principle of anyone who is not
Indigenous."

There's more information at:

http://anu.edu.au/about/strategic-planning/indigenous-voice-to-parliament#
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 August 2023 11:21:01 AM
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"For those who are concerned about the Voice giving
'special rights' to our First Nations people?"

That's not the issue, and FYI, they already do get special rights above that of others.
How many unemployed indigenous get cut off welfare benefits for not completing their looking for work obligations?
Don't they get handouts above that of normal people?
Don't they get priority in health and housing services for being a 'vulnerable ethnic minority group'?

But I digress.

Take out the issue of one group of people enjoying rights none of the others have.

Take out the issue of 24 people selected for the voice
(When there are 250 indigenous groups and numerous land councils and how these 24 'voice' members will be selected and their term of tenure.

What happens when the 24 'voice' members give advice on a certain issue, to which the government is not obligated to follow...

Then if the 'voice' members oppose the government not taking their advice we could see the 'voice' members taking the issue to the high court to overturn the governments position, so that even our government can't make decisions in what they see is the nations best interests..

It will be the tail wagging the dog, possibly used or threatened to be used to extract more and more deals and concessions for themselves,
- playing politics themselves to overturn government decisions...

At the end of the day, I support 1 nation, 1 people, 1 vote, 1 set of rules.
I'm quite happy for their to be an indigenous body that makes submission on things that are in their best interests, and I'm happy for them to recieve extra benefits when and where required.

But I'm not supporting the voice.
It's all ill-thought out policy on a whim.
An accident waiting to happen that will cost citizens who knows how much and probably doomed to failure like government policies usually are.

And all in all, it's probably another UN or WEF lead policy just as all these other indigenous policies we see occurring around the world.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 10 August 2023 11:48:03 AM
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I'll repeat what I posted on another discussion:

The solutions to many of the complex problems facing
our Indigenous communities today already exist, but they
don't have the power to change policy to implement them.

It is important to have these opportunities that are going
to give voice to Indigenous communities. One community is
not the same as another and the priorities of each community
are different. They are not one homogenous group.

The truth is Indigenous Australians are among the most
disadvantaged in the country. The Voice is unfortunately
being weaponised politically by the Coalition according to
Andrew Gee. Why? Obviously it helps raise funds. They're
doing it to shore up leadership positions and they're doing
it just to have some ground to fight on.

The hope that this is the pathway to victory is a bankrupt
one according to Gee. Seeking short term gain in comparison
to the decades of campaigning by Indigenous people could
have the opposite effect for the Coalition at the ballot box.

We shall have to wait and see - if decent Australians will prevail.

Hopefully they shall - as they did with same-sex marriage, Mabo, at cetera.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 August 2023 12:12:50 PM
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